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Phony soldiers

Red Robin

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Dishonorable, And Yes Phony, Soldiers
October 2nd, 2007 by Patriot
Rush Limbaugh has come under attack by liberal bloggers and some in the news media for a statement he made on his show about "phony soldiers." I am not a huge Rush Limbaugh fan, but he was spot on. I have said so numerous times here.

Despite the cries of protest from the anti-war and anti-military crowd, Limbaugh was spot-on right in his characterization. There is a story that the media is not telling you about his "phony Soldiers" comment.

Limbaugh mentioned in his show the case of Jessie Adam Macbeth, who falsely claimed to have committed war crimes during service in Iraq. The allegations struck a chord with those who wish to regularly impugn the character and honor of the men and women of the United States military. They jumped on the story like jackals on fallen prey, ripping away at the integrity of our heroic troops who serve in a hot war some 7,000 miles away.

There’s only one problem. Jessie Macbeth was lying. He was not an Army Ranger as he had claimed, and he was not a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Macbeth was discharged from the army before he had even completed basic training, because according to representatives with the U.S. Army, he was either unfit, unsuitable, or both, to serve in the military.

Critics of Rush Limbaugh have now launched a full-scale war against Mr. Limbaugh that reaches all the way to the Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid, threatening congressional action to condemn Limbaugh.

But it is the anti-war left that needs to be condemned, once again.

The anti-war Left keeps getting caught promoting bogus allegations made by "phony soldiers" because the Left is desperate for any allegations that are made which might discredit Operation Iraqi Freedom. They do this for one simple reason – they so hate this war (and the broader "war on terror" that they shamelessly deride as a "war of error") that they are determined to undermine the war effort and hope that America loses so they can play a pathetic and dangerous game of "I told you so."

Not content with disparaging the reputation of a 4-star general, as in their "General Betray Us" attack on U.S. General David Petraeus, the anti-military Left has not stopped for one moment to realize that Limbaugh’s accusations are correct. There are a number of examples of "phony soldiers" such as Jessie Macbeth who have lied about their military service or experiences with the deliberate intent to be to harm the military as a whole, and undermine the missions of the men and women serving in the war on terror.

Credit goes to Michelle Malkin for chronicling a litany of these "phony soldiers" of whom I will highlight just a few.



Amorita Randall

As RegretTheError.com reports, Randall is the, "former naval construction worker who told the New York Times magazine that she served in Iraq, was in a Humvee that blew up, and was raped twice while serving in the Navy.

Not.

It turns out that Amorita Randall was not in a Humvee that blew up in Iraq, and she was not raped twice while serving in the Navy…

The truth is she never even served in Iraq.

At all.

Ever.


Jimmy Massey

Former Marine Staff Sgt. Jimmy Massey is an Iraq war veteran who claimed that he and his unit committed war atrocities including the murder of innocent Iraqis, shooting a 4-year old Iraqi girl in the head and tractor trailers of dead Iraqi’s hauled around by the U.S. military.

Massey published a book in France titled "Kill, Kill, Kill" to profit from his allegations against his fellow brothers and sisters in the military.

However, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and the Associated Press both did investigative reporting and found out the alleged incidents never took place.

As the Post-Dispatch reported:

"Each of his claims is either demonstrably false or exaggerated - according to his fellow Marines, Massey’s own admissions, and the five journalists who were embedded with Massey’s unit, including a reporter and photographer from the Post-Dispatch and reporters from The Associated Press and The Wall Street Journal."


Scott Thomas Beauchamp

The most recent, and better-known, example is that of Army Private Scott Thomas Beauchamp, who made a series of allegations of atrocities committed by U.S. troops. Beauchamp used these allegations to support his anti-war views he made in essays he penned for The New Republic magazine.

When news media outlets attempted to verify Beauchamp’s allegations, Beauchamp recanted, signing a sworn statement admitting that his allegations were either exaggerations or falsehoods.

As one of Beauchamp’s fiancées explained to Richard Miniter of Pajamas Media about Beauchamp: "He hates the army. The only reason he joined was because he wanted to have more experience to write about."

No wonder that Rush Limbaugh went on to say that, "They joined to be in Iraq."
http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2007/10/02/dishonorable-and-yes-phony-soldiers/#more-2251
 

Red Robin

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Frankk said:
Rush is a coward, when it was his time to serve he couldn't because of a pimple on his ass.
Frank your political bias is showing. You're wrong on the importance of Rush's comment compared to Murtha's.
 
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Red Robin said:
Frankk said:
Rush is a coward, when it was his time to serve he couldn't because of a pimple on his ass.
Frank your political bias is showing. You're wrong on the importance of Rush's comment compared to Murtha's.

The audio of Rush's comments and the transcript show very clearly that he didn't mention any the name of any specific soldier until much later in the broadcast. He said solders that spoke out against the war were "phony soldiers" and Caller1 agreed with him. That's not supporting the American soldier or our freedom of speech that many solders have fought and died for.

When his country went to war, Murtha went to war. Rush didn't. Cheney didn't. Bush didn't. Rush should be grateful to Murtha who has actually fought to protect Rush's right to insult American soldiers on the public airways. He should also be grateful to his boss for refusing to air the "phony soldier" ads during Rush's program. He doesn't want to upset Rush's listeners by putting the truth on at the same time Rush is blowing hot air. Some of them might notice.
 

Red Robin

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ff said:
Red Robin said:
Frankk said:
Rush is a coward, when it was his time to serve he couldn't because of a pimple on his ass.
Frank your political bias is showing. You're wrong on the importance of Rush's comment compared to Murtha's.

The audio of Rush's comments and the transcript show very clearly that he didn't mention any the name of any specific soldier until much later in the broadcast. He said solders that spoke out against the war were "phony soldiers" and Caller1 agreed with him. That's not supporting the American soldier or our freedom of speech that many solders have fought and died for.

When his country went to war, Murtha went to war. Rush didn't. Cheney didn't. Bush didn't. Rush should be grateful to Murtha who has actually fought to protect Rush's right to insult American soldiers on the public airways. He should also be grateful to his boss for refusing to air the "phony soldier" ads during Rush's program. He doesn't want to upset Rush's listeners by putting the truth on at the same time Rush is blowing hot air. Some of them might notice.
If you were an army wife, which would offend you more, a sitting congressman jumping to conclusions that the soldiers engaged in a firefight committed murder in cold blood, or that a talkshow radio host said some soldiers were phony?
 
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Red Robin said:
ff said:
Red Robin said:
Frank your political bias is showing. You're wrong on the importance of Rush's comment compared to Murtha's.

The audio of Rush's comments and the transcript show very clearly that he didn't mention any the name of any specific soldier until much later in the broadcast. He said solders that spoke out against the war were "phony soldiers" and Caller1 agreed with him. That's not supporting the American soldier or our freedom of speech that many solders have fought and died for.

When his country went to war, Murtha went to war. Rush didn't. Cheney didn't. Bush didn't. Rush should be grateful to Murtha who has actually fought to protect Rush's right to insult American soldiers on the public airways. He should also be grateful to his boss for refusing to air the "phony soldier" ads during Rush's program. He doesn't want to upset Rush's listeners by putting the truth on at the same time Rush is blowing hot air. Some of them might notice.
If you were an army wife, which would offend you more, a sitting congressman jumping to conclusions that the soldiers engaged in a firefight committed murder in cold blood, or that a talkshow radio host said some soldiers were phony?

I can be offended by both. Murtha should not make accusations he can't back up. But at least he served in a war zone. He understands the pressures of being under fire. Our military hasn't been honest about what's going on in Iraq or Afghanistan. It's hard to put much faith in their statements these days. Rush is making a living off the war, he mouths "support the troops" crap while he calls them "phoney" if they dare to have an opinion that he doesn't agree with. Now he refuses to apologize and people like you are still defending him. :mad:
 

aplusmnt

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ff said:
Rush should be grateful to Murtha who has actually fought to protect Rush's right to insult American soldiers on the public airways.

You are correct Rush and all of us should be grateful, but the question is why would Murtha fight a war to give Rush and the rest of us that right, just to come home and undermine everything he fought for? Kind of stupid isn't it!

The bigger question here is not rather Rush, Bush or Chenney went to war, but how they treat those that ARE CURRENTLY AT WAR. Murtha fighting is admirable, just a shame he is tarnishing his past record with his present one.

I bet you ask the soldiers who they admire more Rush and Bush or Murtha you would find that Murtha is not much liked in the military. I am sure the soldiers look at things like most of us, what are they doing for us now!?

If you look back during the Kerry and Bush election, polls showed that active soldiers supported Bush 74% to 18% for Kerry. Kind of makes you go hummmmmm when one person is promising to get out of Iraq and one is saying we will be there for a long time. But the troops support the one that says lets stay not the one that says cut and run.

Murtha, Pelosi, Kerry and Reid say they are wanting to get the troops out for the troops sakes. But in the end they do not care about getting the troops out for the troops sake. They want the troops out to appease people like Kolan and the other Liberal cowards that are a bunch of pacifist.

Most troops would rather be given the green light to do their job and do it correctly than come home!
 

aplusmnt

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It is a shame that we do not have more politicians like Thomas Dewey

They should remember the words of Thomas Dewey declining to make Pearl Harbor a campaign issue in 1944: “I would rather lose the presidency and win the war than the reverse.”
 

Red Robin

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ff said:
I can be offended by both. Murtha should not make accusations he can't back up. But at least he served in a war zone. He understands the pressures of being under fire. Our military hasn't been honest about what's going on in Iraq or Afghanistan. It's hard to put much faith in their statements these days. Rush is making a living off the war,
he mouths "support the troops" crap while he calls them "phoney" if they dare to have an opinion that he doesn't agree with. Now he refuses to apologize and people like you are still defending him. :mad:
4 Lies in one post. Efficiency at it's finest.
 

Frankk

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Red Robin said:
Frankk said:
Rush is a coward, when it was his time to serve he couldn't because of a pimple on his ass.
Frank your political bias is showing. You're wrong on the importance of Rush's comment compared to Murtha's.

RR I didn't mention Rush's comment I simply pointed out that Rush is a coward cheerleader. Murtha is a warrior. If we have to chose sides I think I'll go with the warrior.
 

aplusmnt

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Frankk said:
Red Robin said:
Frankk said:
Rush is a coward, when it was his time to serve he couldn't because of a pimple on his ass.
Frank your political bias is showing. You're wrong on the importance of Rush's comment compared to Murtha's.

RR I didn't mention Rush's comment I simply pointed out that Rush is a coward cheerleader. Murtha is a warrior. If we have to chose sides I think I'll go with the warrior.

You are speaking of Rush in present and of a Murtha of 40 years ago. Whatever kind of Warrior Murtha use to be is a thing of the past, he is a long way from being a current Warrior.

Even if Rush was a coward over 30 years ago, CURRENTLY he is a Cheerleader for the Troops! And that is the issue at hand, Last I checked we are fighting a current war in Iraq the Vietnam war is past, just like the Warrior status of Murtha who is a long way from CURRENTLY being any kind of Warrior for this country.
 
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I think I heard it put best today---If we hadn't attacked Iraq or if we had had a better, more successful plan for the "war"-- then the "war" would be over or at least with a much more positive outlook---and we wouldn't have an every day widening rip between individuals ideals- or any reason to say who is or who isn't a Patriot which just rips things wider....

Its been a flawed policy- and now this policy of dragging in, investigating, and challenging everything anyone says for or against the war in Congress is even more flawed and does nothing but tear the country further apart...

There have been pro and anti war protesters and people that spoke out for and against the war since back in the Revolutionary War days--And what scares me more than what Moveon.org says or what Rush says- is the fact that government thinks they should step in and investigate and adjudicate "free speech"....Next we'll be locking up folks like they did in WWI, for getting letters from their relatives in Germany-- or openly speaking out about their worries for relatives in Germany... :shock: :(
Is another Sedition Act the next move :???: :( :mad:

The Sedition Act forbade Americans to use "disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language" about the United States government, flag, or armed forces during war. The act also allowed the Postmaster General to deny mail delivery to dissenters of government policy during wartime.

GW better get his bunch of Mexican illegals building more Jails & Prisons.... :wink: :lol:
 

Frankk

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aplusmnt said:
Frankk said:
Red Robin said:
Frank your political bias is showing. You're wrong on the importance of Rush's comment compared to Murtha's.

RR I didn't mention Rush's comment I simply pointed out that Rush is a coward cheerleader. Murtha is a warrior. If we have to chose sides I think I'll go with the warrior.

You are speaking of Rush in present and of a Murtha of 40 years ago. Whatever kind of Warrior Murtha use to be is a thing of the past, he is a long way from being a current Warrior.

Even if Rush was a coward over 30 years ago, CURRENTLY he is a Cheerleader for the Troops! And that is the issue at hand, Last I checked we are fighting a current war in Iraq the Vietnam war is past, just like the Warrior status of Murtha who is a long way from CURRENTLY being any kind of Warrior for this country.

It's clear you were never in service, we needed, wanted alot of different things, ammo, canteens, poncho liner, water, something different from C rations, girls, sleep but never heard of anyone wanting a coward cheerleader. The troops may be different now but I would wager in a fire fight they would rather have Murtha with them than Rush.

I walked through the Pink Ville a month or two after Lt. Calley had been there and those people were still being mistreated. Murtha may have been wrong on the inicdent he spoke on but he knows it can happen.
 

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