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Pig Wrestling, part 4

Sandhusker

Well-known member
SH, "Sandman alleges that USDA has made false statements but presents no facts to prove their statements were false. Rather, he creates the "ILLUSION" that they are wrong with cheap talk."


"My reply; You know those statements were not correct, either. Who is providing an illusion here?"


SH, "DIVERSION! Bring the proof that USDA's statements are incorrect.
Watch the diversion dance folks!"

Here's part of a letter from the USDA - a letter you have seen, SH;
"Using existing testing methods, BSE is not detectable until shortly before a cow develops symptoms. Animals in this country are generally slaughtered for food between 18 and 20 months of age, which is before the disease is detectable. This is why no country in the world tests 100 percent of its animals."

The truth that about all us of on on this board know - including you, SH, is that BSE has been detected in animals 24 months and younger, but the incubation period of the disease is generally accepted to be around 8 years (hence the 8 year feed ban requirement) 8 years is NOT shortly before 2 years.

We also know that Japan is testing 100% of it's animals.

SH, you know this, you've known it for years, yet you demand proof from me and squeal "Divertion" yet again. You're just a heck of a straight-up guy aren't you?
 

Mike

Well-known member
Which of these statements by the USDA are not true? Considering hundreds of animals have tested positive UTM.


John Clifford-APHIS "This inconclusive result does not mean we have found a new case of BSE. Inconclusive results are a normal component of most screening tests, which are designed to be extremely sensitive so they will detect any sample that could possibly be positive."

OR:

"The tests are not designed to detect BSE in younger animals," said Andrea McNally, a spokeswoman for the USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service.
She is specifically speaking about the test that Creekstone had intended and the same one that Europe, and Japan use.
 
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Anonymous

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USDA: "Using existing testing methods, BSE is not detectable until shortly before a cow develops symptoms. Animals in this country are generally slaughtered for food between 18 and 20 months of age, which is before the disease is detectable. This is why no country in the world tests 100 percent of its animals."

What is it that you think you have here Sandbag?

What difference does it make if BSE has been discovered in a 24 month old animal if the majority of our slaughter animals are between 18 and 20 months of age???

Are bse prions detectable before 18 and 20 months of age or not?

Are bse prions detectable before an animal shows visible symptoms or not?

I'm not talking about some "flash in the pan" fast buck artist bse urine test that has not met the approval of the various governments, I am talking about universally approved testing methodology.

As far as Japan not testing all of their animals, does Japan test animals that are younger than 24 months of age? Yes or no?

Knowing your deceptive manner, I am not about to assume that "all their animals" doesn't just mean all of their animals in a certain age category as opposed to all of their animals.

If I was a deceptive spin doctor with no integrity like you, I would take the word "animals" and prove you wrong but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that by your use of the word "animals", you are only talking about cattle. That's the difference between a pathetic deceptive person like you and myself. I try to give you the benefit of the doubt despite how deceptive you are Randy Schnieder from Cody, NE.


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
SH, "What is it that you think you have here Sandbag?"

I think we both know what I have here, and what Mike kicked in - the USDA not being truthful.

SH, " That's the difference between a pathetic deceptive person like you and myself. I try to give you the benefit of the doubt despite how deceptive you are Randy Schnieder from Cody, NE."

You try to give me the benefit of the doubt? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That is why you call me a childish name each time you address me? That is why you call me a liar, Spin Doctor "nobody is more deceptive that you are", "pathetic deceptive person" etc... :lol: :lol: :lol:

It's SCHNEIDER, not SCHNIEDER.
 

Econ101

Well-known member
SH "What difference does it make if BSE has been discovered in a 24 month old animal if the majority of our slaughter animals are between 18 and 20 months of age???

Are bse prions detectable before 18 and 20 months of age or not?

Are bse prions detectable before an animal shows visible symptoms or not?"

Econ: Ask Japan.
 
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Anonymous

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Sandbag,

NICE DIVERSION AGAIN!!!!

What difference does it make if BSE has been discovered in a 24 month old animal if the majority of our slaughter animals are between 18 and 20 months of age???

Are bse prions detectable before 18 and 20 months of age or not?

Are bse prions detectable before an animal shows visible symptoms or not?


If USDA is being untruthful, then you should have no problems backing that allegation by answering the following questions. You call USDA untruthful but you can't back your allegation. More cheap talk!


~SH~
 

Econ101

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Sandbag,

NICE DIVERSION AGAIN!!!!

What difference does it make if BSE has been discovered in a 24 month old animal if the majority of our slaughter animals are between 18 and 20 months of age???

Are bse prions detectable before 18 and 20 months of age or not?

Are bse prions detectable before an animal shows visible symptoms or not?


If USDA is being untruthful, then you should have no problems backing that allegation by answering the following questions. You call USDA untruthful but you can't back your allegation. More cheap talk!


~SH~

The OIG report by Phyllis Fong said definitively that the head of GIPSA (just under the Secretary of Agriculture) was not truthful when reporting the number of investigations accurately.

Now the USDA was untruthful in one of those statements. I happen to believe Phyllis on this one.

When have you ever had anything but cheap talk, SH? If you are truthful, you will have no trouble at all reconciling these inconsistencies without the use of "opposite" day.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
SH, "Are bse prions detectable before 18 and 20 months of age or not?"

BSE Tester says "yes", and he should know.

SH, "Are bse prions detectable before an animal shows visible symptoms or not? "

Yes, why do you ask questions when you know the answer?

Now, back on topic; was the USDA's comments true or not?
 
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Anonymous

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Sandbag: "BSE Tester says "yes", and he should know."

Why because he says what you want to hear or because he wants to make a quick buck on a test that has not been approved????

I'll go with what testing methodology that is accepted by USDA before I'll take the word of a fast buck artist.


Sandbag: "Yes, why do you ask questions when you know the answer?"

Where's your proof that prions are detectable before an animal shows visible symptoms?


Sandbag: "Now, back on topic; was the USDA's comments true or not?"

Yes they were true!

You sure as hell didn't prove USDA wrong with your "illusions".


Conman,

Were you responding to a different post? Not only are you a compulsive liar but your really wierd.



~SH~
 

Econ101

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Sandbag: "BSE Tester says "yes", and he should know."

Why because he says what you want to hear or because he wants to make a quick buck on a test that has not been approved????

I'll go with what testing methodology that is accepted by USDA before I'll take the word of a fast buck artist.


Sandbag: "Yes, why do you ask questions when you know the answer?"

Where's your proof that prions are detectable before an animal shows visible symptoms?


Sandbag: "Now, back on topic; was the USDA's comments true or not?"

Yes they were true!

You sure as hell didn't prove USDA wrong with your "illusions".


Conman,

Were you responding to a different post? Not only are you a compulsive liar but your really wierd.



~SH~

SH, you use the term "liar". Is it once a "liar" always a "liar"? If so, the USDA lied and they are "liars", just as Sandhusker said.

Sandhusker can stay on his point if he wants.

Since bse is not in cattle under a certain age, does that mean that we can send all of them under a certain age for you to buy? Maybe you need some more meat in your freezer.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Quote:
Sandbag: "BSE Tester says "yes", and he should know."


SH, "Why because he says what you want to hear or because he wants to make a quick buck on a test that has not been approved???? I'll go with what testing methodology that is accepted by USDA before I'll take the word of a fast buck artist."

You contradict yourself once again. You say you believe in the presumption of innocense, but you declare BSE Tester a "fast buck artist" when you know very little about him. I'll take the word over someone who is actually in the business over the state equivalent of dog catcher.


Quote:
Sandbag: "Yes, why do you ask questions when you know the answer?"


SH, "Where's your proof that prions are detectable before an animal shows visible symptoms?"

You have a terrible habit of asking for proof of things you know and have already been presented. Tell us again how "Truth is my only bias". :lol: :lol:


Quote:
Sandbag: "Now, back on topic; was the USDA's comments true or not?"


SH, "Yes they were true! You sure as hell didn't prove USDA wrong with your "illusions". "

Really? You want to actually go on record as agreeing to the statement,"Using existing testing methods, BSE is not detectable until shortly before a cow develops symptoms"? You are saying this is true?
 

Mike

Well-known member
Sandhusker:I'll take the word over someone who is actually in the business over the state equivalent of dog catcher.


Penalty- 2 points for hitting below the belt. Ouch!

How many rounds are in a "Pig Wrestling" match?

You may resume..........DINGGGGGGGGGG :wink:
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Mike said:
Sandhusker:I'll take the word over someone who is actually in the business over the state equivalent of dog catcher.


Penalty- 2 points for hitting below the belt. Ouch!

How many rounds are in a "Pig Wrestling" match?

You may resume..........DINGGGGGGGGGG :wink:

Yeah, it was a bit of a shot, but I thought it was kind of clever. Anyway, BSE Tester answered SH and put him in his place - not that it will matter. :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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Conman: "If so, the USDA lied and they are "liars", just as Sandhusker said."

Another lie! ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz!

More cheap talk unsupported by fact from Conman. All functions normal.


Sandbag: "I'll take the word over someone who is actually in the business over the state equivalent of dog catcher."

Until USDA approves a test that will detect bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age, you'll take the word of anyone that supports your bias.

Yes, I'm the state equivalent of a dog catcher. A true bottom feeder. Funny how such a low life like me can keep you typing for hours when I should so easily be ignored simply based on status. LOL!

Gee, I graduated from "gopher trapper" to the state equivelant of a dog catcher practically overnight. I should feel so honored.

Sandbag, I wouldn't trade my life for anyone's. I do for a living what rich folks do for a hobby and still have enough free time to correct R-CALF's lies and misinformation.

What a country!


Sandbag: "You have a terrible habit of asking for proof of things you know and have already been presented. Tell us again how "Truth is my only bias"."

DIVERSION!

YOU CLAIMED BSE PRIONS ARE DETECTABLE BEFORE ANIMALS SHOW VISIBLE SIGNS. YOU CLAIMED USDA LIED WHEN THEY SAID BSE PRIONS WERE NOT DETECTABLE IN ANIMALS UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE. WHERE'S YOUR PROOF???

Watch the dance..............

Quick little follower, run to bse-tester because he said what you wanted to believe.


Sandbag: "Really? You want to actually go on record as agreeing to the statement,"Using existing testing methods, BSE is not detectable until shortly before a cow develops symptoms"? You are saying this is true?"

Based upon bse testing methodology currently approved and in use by USDA, YES!

Can't take that statement out of context!

As if you know more about bse testing than the agency taxed with the responsibility of food safety. Typical R-CALF arrogance.
 

Econ101

Well-known member
SH:
Until USDA approves a test that will detect bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age, you'll take the word of anyone that supports your bias.

Econ: I think bse tester showed where the USDA is not interested in any new technology on food safety unless they have control over it to be able to use it for packer manipulation purposes with his testimony on getting his procedure approved.
 

Sandhusker

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SH, "As if you know more about bse testing than the agency taxed with the responsibility of food safety. Typical R-CALF arrogance."

You seem to know what's better for the Japanese than they do. Typical double standard.
 
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Anonymous

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Conman: "I think bse tester showed where the USDA is not interested in any new technology on food safety unless they have control over it to be able to use it for packer manipulation purposes with his testimony on getting his procedure approved."


No BSE tester told you what you wanted to hear so you sunk your teeth into it like a rabid dog because you don't want to hear USDA's side of this. You are an unfair and partial jury. Your blaming bias screams. You believe only what you want to believe like some lady at Walmart that told you "select" beef was being marketed as "choice". If it's what you want to believe you are going to believe it. That's what blamers do best.


Sandbag: "You seem to know what's better for the Japanese than they do. Typical double standard."

Not hardly! The Japanese accepted untested beef from the US. They obviously don't buy into this 100% bse testing either.


~SH~
 

Econ101

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Conman: "I think bse tester showed where the USDA is not interested in any new technology on food safety unless they have control over it to be able to use it for packer manipulation purposes with his testimony on getting his procedure approved."


No BSE tester told you what you wanted to hear so you sunk your teeth into it like a rabid dog because you don't want to hear USDA's side of this. You are an unfair and partial jury. Your blaming bias screams. You believe only what you want to believe like some lady at Walmart that told you "select" beef was being marketed as "choice". If it's what you want to believe you are going to believe it. That's what blamers do best.


Sandbag: "You seem to know what's better for the Japanese than they do. Typical double standard."

Not hardly! The Japanese accepted untested beef from the US. They obviously don't buy into this 100% bse testing either.


~SH~

I suspected the answer, but I sure didn't want to hear it was true. Just another example of the NCBA/packers masquerading as the USDA.
 

Sandhusker

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SH, "Not hardly! The Japanese accepted untested beef from the US. They obviously don't buy into this 100% bse testing either."

They don't buy into 100% testing? Why did they make it their law? Why did they ask for testing for two years before caving to the pressure?
Why don't you think and try to reason before making a post?
 
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Anonymous

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Conman: "Just another example of the NCBA/packers masquerading as the USDA."

Yeh, I suppose that would explain AMI filing suit against USDA to allow the importation of Canadian cattle over 30 months of age.

Another allegation defeated with fact!


~SH~
 
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