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Poll: To Fix Economy, Get Out of Iraq

Mike

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Heck, Russia can afford to invest. Before the Iraq War they profited to the tune of over $500 MILLION on the OIL for FOOD campaign that was so ineptly run by the UN.

AH............. "Uncle Joe" as FDR so affectionately called Stalin! :lol:

Now THERE's a heckuva good Democrat!
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
Heck, Russia can afford to invest. Before the Iraq War they profited to the tune of over $500 MILLION on the OIL for FOOD campaign that was so ineptly run by the UN.

AH............. "Uncle Joe" as FDR so affectionately called Stalin! :lol:

Noe THERE's a heckuva good Democrat!

GW looked Putin in the eyes and “was able to get a sense of his soul” and found him to be "very straightforward and trustworthy" :shock: :???:

McCain says when he looks Putin in the eyes "he sees three letters- KGB... :wink: :D
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
Heck, Russia can afford to invest. Before the Iraq War they profited to the tune of over $500 MILLION on the OIL for FOOD campaign that was so ineptly run by the UN.

AH............. "Uncle Joe" as FDR so affectionately called Stalin! :lol:

Noe THERE's a heckuva good Democrat!

GW looked Putin in the eyes and “was able to get a sense of his soul” and found him to be "very straightforward and trustworthy" :shock: :???:

McCain says when he looks Putin in the eyes "he sees three letters- KGB... :wink: :D

But Bush didn't give away over half of Europe to Putin did he? :lol:
 
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Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
Heck, Russia can afford to invest. Before the Iraq War they profited to the tune of over $500 MILLION on the OIL for FOOD campaign that was so ineptly run by the UN.

AH............. "Uncle Joe" as FDR so affectionately called Stalin! :lol:

Noe THERE's a heckuva good Democrat!

GW looked Putin in the eyes and “was able to get a sense of his soul” and found him to be "very straightforward and trustworthy" :shock: :???:

McCain says when he looks Putin in the eyes "he sees three letters- KGB... :wink: :D

But Bush didn't give away over half of Europe to Putin did he?

Nope--He's just been selling out the US- one treaty, one business, or one port at a time for the past 7 years-- and now that he's got it priced down to wholesale prices he can sell it all in one big clearance sale..... :( :mad:
 

aplusmnt

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fff said:
katrina said:
fff said:
Yeah, those 12,000 Countrywide employees who were layed off last fall were just a bunch of slugs, setting around and waiting for someone to take care of them. 20% of Countrywide = 20% of the entire mortgage industry. And that's a lot of jobs. But, hey, let's continue to send that money to Iraq instead. Gotta protect Bush's Legacy, you know. :roll:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/07/AR2007090702735.html

Big pharm and biotech layoffs: http://www.fiercebiotech.com/special-reports/top-5-layoffs-2007

The auto industry layoffs: http://www.allbusiness.com/manufacturing/3895023-1.html

There are similar articles in the construction field, airlines, coal industries. This is a big, wide, downturn. When people lose their jobs, they generally lose their health insurance. They still get sick, but you and I pay for their healthcare. Or they die. Shame on them for being layed off. :roll:

Sometimes you have to pick yourself up dust yourself off and start again. Been there done that with no help from the goverment.... Yes I too know all about heathcare.....Done that too....... Sure nothing is perfect, but it's not the goverments fault. It's the communities, churches, neighbors responsibility to help out... Smaller goverment is better.

But that's not what you said. You said "out of work Americans don't want to work." That's insulting to every one of these thousands who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own. :mad: Instead of spending over $2 billion a week covering Bush's behind in Iraq, we could be increasing the length of unemployment benefits, increasing training programs, providing healthcare for them while they're out of work. That money would stay in our economy instead of sinking into the black hole of Iraq.

I don't think a "smaller" government is necessarily better. Now a government that works is a good thing. The Bush Administration has dramatically grown the size of our government, and it still doesn't work.

You act like a person that lost their job will never work again. Millions of people loose their job and then move on to other jobs. I have never known one person that lost their job to a plant closing that did not find another job eventually. When one door closes others open up.

I have been part of a small town that lost a very big local income. Miami OK when the Goodrich plant closed and 1,000 plus people lost their jobs. Many committed suicide it was so devastating to them. But the rest are now working.

Loosing your job or a plant closing is not check mate! You just make other moves. And Yes if someone does not have a job they either have medical, mental or lazy issues.

And that is every single person in America! Either they are medically incapable, mentally incapable or lazy!!!!!!!!!!!
 

aplusmnt

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fff said:
No, it's not like you losing a calf. Yes, many of them will find other jobs. But the Chemist who used to make big buck working for a pharm company and is now working at the convience store won't be able to make his house payment, car payments, send his kids to college on those wages. So he loses his house, it goes on the market, fewer houses need to be built, construction companies cut jobs, buy fewer materials, need fewer truck drivers.....Do you see where this is going?


I disagree. It's the government's job to take care of it's citizens whether protecting them from "radical muslim extremists" or from starving to death. Training people for new jobs puts them back to work, off the welfare roles, they can buy their own insurance, pay property taxes, put those construction workers back to work. You can get some really cheap cell phones these days. Only pay for the time you talk and in many places they're cheaper than a land line. We have two cell phones and numbers on our cell package and they're cheaper than the one land line. I'm thinking about giving that one up. So just because you see someone talking on a cell phone, don't think they're wasting money. They may be saving money.


I doubt that Chemist is getting a job at a convenient store. Most successful people continue to be successful. And if he looses his house due to having to work at a convenient store that is his problem. He should protect his investments better. He may need to sell that larger house and buy a smaller one. He may need to relocate to get a better job. He may need to go to school again to be a Nurse instead of a Chemist.

It is that Chemist personal responsibility to provide for himself and family. It is not the governments job to train him for another profession, it is not their job to protect him from starvation. It is his job. Like the Bible says you don't work you don't eat.

We have to live within our means and keep yourself liquid able incase of emergency. The world has changed, most people make many career changes in their life, it is not like it was 30 years ago. And we have to accept that option and prepare for it.

It is not the Governments job or the purpose of my tax dollars to get people off welfare. It is easy to get people off welfare, just cancel it. When they truly do starve they will work!!! Or sadly steal.

Ps. I know some people have medical and mental issues, and I believe in providing for those TRULY In need! But most not working or on welfare are not truly in need.

Also when we do help it is not our responsibility to provide them with a life they became accustomed. If that 'Chemist did not protect himself for future. He might deserve to loose his over extended home and car and come down to earth with the rest of us that drive older cars and live in humble homes.

You libs have no sense of personal responsibility. I feel sorry for you, because you are probably the ones that still or will provide for you spoiled kids when they are in their 20's and 30's because you do not teach Personal responsibility.
 

loomixguy

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Hanta Yo said:
Loomixguy wrote:

I guess it will be way cheaper to rebuild the US AFTER we are attacked again by the terrorists, huh, Oldwhiner. IF there is anything left to rebuild, and IF our heads are still attached.

if we pull out, like your liberal/libertarian friends will when they are elected, Al Queda will be among the rush of illegal immigrants flooding the US from Mexico. If you don't think there is a strong influence of Muslims in South Texas already, you are fooling yourself. I've seen it with my own eyes in the McAllen/Edinburgh/Harlingen area. Guaranteed: If we don't finish this war over there, we will be forced to finish it here, on US soil.

I agree with you, loomixguy. Bring our troops home and we'll be fighting this war on our own soil.

Get the fences built around our borders and take care of our money drain :mad:

Thanks, Hanta! Great minds tend to think alike.

I've had loved ones in Afghanistan and Iraq, and now I have one in Kuwait.

Far better to send Hadji to his 72 virgins in Iraq or Afghanistan than here.
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
No wonder GW says we have nothing to worry about- and we can afford to fight a 100 year war with no tax raises...Our "friends" from China, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Venezuela and now Russia are coming to bail us out...And we all know- being the "good friends" they are they will expect nothing in return... :shock: :roll: :wink: :(

GW- Tell me again who's winning this war :???:

News from MoneyNews.com

Russian Cash Pouring Into U.S.

Russia has cleared the way for $32 billion of its sovereign wealth fund money to be invested in Western companies, joining the lineup of Arab and Asian sovereign wealth funds investing here.
Geez, Oldtimer - you've been preaching doom and gloom for months about the economy. You've been telling us how nobody here wants to invest in our country and how the stock market is going to crash.

Now that foreigners are bullish on the US - now that foreigners want to invest in OUR country when YOU don't want to do it - you don't like that either? :???:
 
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Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
No wonder GW says we have nothing to worry about- and we can afford to fight a 100 year war with no tax raises...Our "friends" from China, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Venezuela and now Russia are coming to bail us out...And we all know- being the "good friends" they are they will expect nothing in return... :shock: :roll: :wink: :(

GW- Tell me again who's winning this war :???:

News from MoneyNews.com

Russian Cash Pouring Into U.S.

Russia has cleared the way for $32 billion of its sovereign wealth fund money to be invested in Western companies, joining the lineup of Arab and Asian sovereign wealth funds investing here.
Geez, Oldtimer - you've been preaching doom and gloom for months about the economy. You've been telling us how nobody here wants to invest in our country and how the stock market is going to crash.

Now that foreigners are bullish on the US - now that foreigners want to invest in OUR country when YOU don't want to do it - you don't like that either? :???:

Not foreigners Texan-- these are foreign GOVERNMENTS that are buying up a portion of our country...And I guess I don't trust Putin, Hugo Chavez, Communist China, or the "Princes" of the Muslim world as much as GW does.....Somehow I don't feel their intent for investing is just to get their share dividend payments..... :roll: :( :mad:
 

Texan

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aplusmnt said:
You act like a person that lost their job will never work again. Millions of people loose their job and then move on to other jobs. I have never known one person that lost their job to a plant closing that did not find another job eventually. When one door closes others open up.

I have been part of a small town that lost a very big local income. Miami OK when the Goodrich plant closed and 1,000 plus people lost their jobs. Many committed suicide it was so devastating to them. But the rest are now working.

Loosing your job or a plant closing is not check mate! You just make other moves. And Yes if someone does not have a job they either have medical, mental or lazy issues.

And that is every single person in America! Either they are medically incapable, mentally incapable or lazy!!!!!!!!!!!
Aplus, you and katrina are right on the money. Most people that really want to work can find work. It might not be doing what they want to do - or what they were 'educated' to do, but there are plenty of jobs out there. They might have to adjust or relocate, but the jobs are there.

The oil patch is booming and when those 'big, evil, greedy' oil companies and their contractors want something or need something, they don't mind paying for it.

Anybody that can pass a piss test and spell "CDL" can work all the hours they can stand just hauling salt water. Even a liberal can probably figure out how to haul salt water. Unless it's the piss test that's holding some of them back? :lol:
 

MoGal

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Texan, that pea test for the young people is part of the problem (if they don't buy that little btl for $35 that you add to the pea to show it clean). But then I'd like them to pass the cup to the House and the Senate and the president as well, but then I think we need a private mental health diagnosis on Bush as well.

The government is responsible for keeping the sovereignty of its country. They have failed miserably in the last 30 years.

The government is responsible for fair trade deals, not ones that outsource jobs (and give tax incentives/rebates for those that do) They have failed miserably in the last 30 years.

The government is responsible for the economy. They had rules in place for checks and balances. Those have been removed by our corrupt, greedy corporate lobbyists who represented corrupt, greedy businesses. They have failed miserably in the last 30 years.
Now since they face losing trillions of dollars, they want the taxpayer to bail them out. That's not right. When greed overtakes morality, there is a consequence.

Since the MSM news doesn't tell the truth, you have to search around on the internet and you can find lots of articles that this was all planned. The only way they could get American people to accept a North American Union is to create a money fiasco. The only way they could get Americans to give up their sovereignty is to create fear in terrorist attacks.

Its come out now that the president knew, in advance, that Japan was coming to bomb Pearl Harbor. They wanted a war (because that's how the corporate elite and bankers make the most money). Why did they wait until all the folks in WWII are now dead or too old to raise he!! in the streets. What will they tell about 9/11 or all these wars we're in?? You can bet it'll be when we're dead or too old to raise he!! in the streets.
 

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