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Poor Poor Tyson BWAAAAAHHHH

rkaiser

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I see you are back here on ranchers watching for the bwamer whiner types Scotty. I found a story about some bwamer/whiners for you to discuss with me. Of course in our new found respectable manner.




Arno Doerksen, chairman of the Canada Beef Export Federation, said a Tyson beef plant in Brooks, Alberta, dramatically expanded capacity after the mad cow disease scare shut the U.S. border to live Canadian beef a few years ago. But the worker shortage has meant the plant is running short of capacity.



Amazing to me how the ranchers and the farmers are always made out to be the whiners in the bovine protein industry. Here we have another example of the whining that goes on by the multinational manipulators to sway government and industry policy.

How long before CCA grabs this and starts whining to the government themselves about helping out poor poor Tyson. We are already spending producer checkoff dollars keeping these plants afloat by deceiving the Canadian consumer about the beef that they eat every day. Why not bow to the Tyson whining and use CCA dollars to help them find labour.

Maybe the labour shortage has something to do with the truth about Tyson foods at Lakeside (and around the world) coming out. Something about the multi millions that they made off the producers backs while the border was closed to live animals AND how they are making insane profits on the "few" LOL OTM cattle they are killing as we speak. Maybe nobody in Canada wants to work for these scumballs.
 

Tam

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rkaiser said:
I see you are back here on ranchers watching for the bwamer whiner types Scotty. I found a story about some bwamer/whiners for you to discuss with me. Of course in our new found respectable manner.




Arno Doerksen, chairman of the Canada Beef Export Federation, said a Tyson beef plant in Brooks, Alberta, dramatically expanded capacity after the mad cow disease scare shut the U.S. border to live Canadian beef a few years ago. But the worker shortage has meant the plant is running short of capacity.



Amazing to me how the ranchers and the farmers are always made out to be the whiners in the bovine protein industry. Here we have another example of the whining that goes on by the multinational manipulators to sway government and industry policy.

How long before CCA grabs this and starts whining to the government themselves about helping out poor poor Tyson. We are already spending producer checkoff dollars keeping these plants afloat by deceiving the Canadian consumer about the beef that they eat every day. Why not bow to the Tyson whining and use CCA dollars to help them find labour.

Maybe the labour shortage has something to do with the truth about Tyson foods at Lakeside (and around the world) coming out. Something about the multi millions that they made off the producers backs while the border was closed to live animals AND how they are making insane profits on the "few" LOL OTM cattle they are killing as we speak. Maybe nobody in Canada wants to work for these scumballs.


Just a question here Randy but isn't there a labor shortage in just about every sector in the Alberta economy? Aren't the feedlot guys having problems hiring? How about the electrical contractor, building contractors, fast food outlets and restaurants, oil field, truck drivers, not to mention numerous other sectors?
Our Nephew that lives in Houston called the other night to tell us his friends back in Calgary are still looking for truck drivers for the oil patch. And told our son if he wants a truck driving job all he had to do was show up.
Our Son in law was in Calgary two days and had two job offers as a electrician. After he got hurt they begged him to stay on the job as he had his papers that allowed him to just sit and supervise while other did the work for him. But he couldn't as he needed back surgery
Our daughter was having a problem finding a job for awhile but it wasn't becausee they was a lack of them. She is now working in Sylvan Lake as the Economic Development officer and the problem she has is finding people to work.
So isn't blaming Tyson's labor shortage on their reputation a bit misleading? Maybe the reason they can't find workers is not many people can live in Alberta in the winter without proper housing. :wink:
 

Manitoba_Rancher

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Tam,

I think there is a shortage of workers darn near everywhere. Everyone is heading to Alberta to the big bucks. The Maple Leaf plant in Brandon has brought in workers from quite a few different countries to work.
 

elwapo

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I am sure the people standing in the production line dont give a rip about the business practices of their employer. They are there for the check...period. Slaughter house employment is not a career destination.
 

greg

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Manitoba_Rancher said:
Tam,

I think there is a shortage of workers darn near everywhere. Everyone is heading to Alberta to the big bucks. The Maple Leaf plant in Brandon has brought in workers from quite a few different countries to work.
True! The Eastern preimers were in Alta. the other day trying to get thier people back home. Brooks plant is full of Sudanes{sp} Even the ones moving to Alta. and making HUGE money are homeless.
 

elwapo

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Even the republic of Saskatchewan has billboards up in Medicine Hat asking their native sons and daughters to come home. I truely believe Sask will be the next boom province if they can politically get their mind around free enterprise.
 

Mike

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Was reading just yesterday about the packers trucking more hogs to the U.S. because it is much cheaper to process them here.

Is this why the USDA wants to change the rules on OTM's?
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Mike said:
Was reading just yesterday about the packers trucking more hogs to the U.S. because it is much cheaper to process them here.

Is this why the USDA wants to change the rules on OTM's?

Mike , Part of the reason we lost our packing industry was Unions controled by the US used Canadian workers to drive up wages. Canadians would go on strike for higher wages and the companies down south would follow but ususally wages were higher in Canada to make it profitable to take the animals south to secure jobs for US workers.
 

Mike

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Mike said:
Was reading just yesterday about the packers trucking more hogs to the U.S. because it is much cheaper to process them here.

Is this why the USDA wants to change the rules on OTM's?

Mike , Part of the reason we lost our packing industry was Unions controled by the US used Canadian workers to drive up wages. Canadians would go on strike for higher wages and the companies down south would follow but ususally wages were higher in Canada to make it profitable to take the animals south to secure jobs for US workers.

Geez, don't you folks have control of "ANYTHING" up there?
 

Ben Roberts

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The packers,have increased their profits for many years by cutting the cost of there raw materals(cattle) and labor. In 1967, labor in the packing plants started at around $10.30 per hour. Today at the Pasco, Washington Tyson/IBP plant starting wage is $10.00 per hour.

Before the USDA re-opened the border,Tyson,announced they were going to cut back on there operating hours,given as a reason for this cut back, not enough finished cattle in the area to operate full shifts. (The border reopened).

Now! if you want to sell a load of cattle,you have to wait two to three weeks for chain space and your cattle keep getting bigger everyday. Since Tyson/IBP closed the kill-floor in Kuna, Idaho cattle from south of here are now coming to the Pasco plant. Not as many Canadian cattle coming down to the Pasco plant now. Those cattle are now going to Nebraska and Colorado.

With the labor shortage for the Alberta plants (this shortage has to effect Cargil as well) I believe you are about to see a greater Hispanic work force in your country soon.

Best Regards
Ben Roberts
 
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Ben Roberts: "The packers,have increased their profits for many years by cutting the cost of there raw materals(cattle) and labor. In 1967, labor in the packing plants started at around $10.30 per hour. Today at the Pasco, Washington Tyson/IBP plant starting wage is $10.00 per hour."

I'm not going to argue your point on labor but to believe that packers can pick and choose what they are going to pay for cattle is to believe that Tyson, Excel, Swift, and USPB are not in competition for the same cattle.

It's to ignore the fact that packer margins PERIODICALLY operate in the red when packers pay more for cattle than they can recoup from falling beef prices.

Packers cannot reduce the price they pay for cattle beyond what their competition is willing to pay.


Randy,

Is Tyson whining about a labor shortage or simply stating a fact?


Honestly Randy, the best thing you could do for yourself is to get much more familiar with the packing and retail beef industries than you are. Don't speculate on every aspect of the packing industry, find out the truth.


~SH~
 

rkaiser

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Thank you Tam dear for correcting me on my speculation about folks wanting to work for Tyson. Maybe you could get a job there and help your hubby pay some of the bills he is having a challenge paying ---- because of the hosing he is getting on his cull animals.

There is certainly a labour shortage in Alberta. BUT MAYBE part of Tyson's problem is their reputation.

So Scott, speaking of truth rather than my usual speculation. How do you think the employees of Tyson in Alberta would react IF they knew the truth about excessive profits on the backs of the producers. Or the fact that these pirates continue to legally rape primary producers and influence government policy that could stop this rape. With the help of the protectionist junkies over at Rcalf - the border issue goes on to the glee of Tyson at Brooks and Cargill in High River ALBERTA that is. Yes I know - those employees don't give a **** about the farmer - all about bucks in their pockets like everyone else.

What is the truth Scott? Is it your truth about Rcalf stopping Cargill and Tyson from doing what they really want to do :lol: --- open the border and stop the market manipulation opportunities that have occurred in their favour since BSEconomics kicked in.

The truth Tam and Scott, is that Cargill and Tyson are so far ahead of the two of you that they are going to lap you soon.

The whining about employment is one of many teardrop issues dripping on our Ag Ministers desk. "We have to have mandatory age verification" they say. "We can't give in to testing" they say. Even rumours of threats to leave (with their war chest full mind you) if they don't get their way. Idle childish threats I say, but then what do I know about the industry hey Scott. But then again, once they have the Cresrud deal cooked, maybe Canada will be expendable. Trap line is starting to dry up, and the herd is dropping like flies in a Raid jar. Just open that border and watch those cow numbers drop even more.
 

Ben Roberts

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~SH~ said:
Ben Roberts: "The packers,have increased their profits for many years by cutting the cost of there raw materals(cattle) and labor. In 1967, labor in the packing plants started at around $10.30 per hour. Today at the Pasco, Washington Tyson/IBP plant starting wage is $10.00 per hour."

I'm not going to argue your point on labor but to believe that packers can pick and choose what they are going to pay for cattle is to believe that Tyson, Excel, Swift, and USPB are not in competition for the same cattle.

It's to ignore the fact that packer margins PERIODICALLY operate in the red when packers pay more for cattle than they can recoup from falling beef prices.

Packers cannot reduce the price they pay for cattle beyond what their competition is willing to pay.


Randy,

Is Tyson whining about a labor shortage or simply stating a fact?


Honestly Randy, the best thing you could do for yourself is to get much more familiar with the packing and retail beef industries than you are. Don't speculate on every aspect of the packing industry, find out the truth.


~SH~[/quote


Scott, you and I are always going to disagree on this subject,and that is alright if we do. But with the kill capacity that Tyson has,that dwarfs Swift and Cargill's capacity. Tyson sets the market for those three packers.In this country we can only utilize around 70% choice beef, National Beef/USPB is not in competition with anyone for those cattle,that is not their market.

Can I prove,Tyson sets the price on live cattle, NO! but Scott I've been there as a buyer and it happens everyday.

Best Regards
Ben Roberts
 

Ben Roberts

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rKaiser, I believe it's unfair to make yourself taller,by standing on someone else. Please except my apology though, if I miss-understood your post to Tam.

Best Regards
Ben Roberts
 

rkaiser

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rKaiser, I believe it's unfair to make yourself taller,by standing on someone else. Please except my apology though, if I miss-understood your post to Tam.

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

Dear Pastor Ben,

I guess you have not seen much standing on top of others here on ranchers eh? I apologize if some of my words do not fit your ideal, but up here in Canada, and what I read from rancher.net, you bring the same size stick to the game as yer opponent.
 

Ben Roberts

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rkaiser said:
rKaiser, I believe it's unfair to make yourself taller,by standing on someone else. Please except my apology though, if I miss-understood your post to Tam.

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

Dear Pastor Ben,

I guess you have not seen much standing on top of others here on ranchers eh? I apologize if some of my words do not fit your ideal, but up here in Canada, and what I read from rancher.net, you bring the same size stick to the game as yer opponent.

Thank you Randy,I'll send around the collection plate.

Best Regards
Ben Roberts
 
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BR: "Scott, you and I are always going to disagree on this subject,and that is alright if we do."

Only one of us can be right and only the facts of the matter will sort that out.


BR: "But with the kill capacity that Tyson has,that dwarfs Swift and Cargill's capacity."

Tyson at 33% vs. Swift and Excel at roughly 23% apiece is hardly dwarfing.

More like Swift and Excel with a combined slaughter of 46% dwarfing Tyson at 33%.


BR: "Tyson sets the market for those three packers."

That simply is not true.

Right now the Nebraska Cattlemen's Association has a real time market data system where you get fat cattle pricing information by giving fat cattle pricing information. I have seen the bids roll in from Swift, Excel, and Tyson. The leader in those bids is changing constantly based on needs being filled and how beef is selling to their respective customers. Tyson does not set the market for those three packers. That simply isn't true.


BR: "In this country we can only utilize around 70% choice beef, National Beef/USPB is not in competition with anyone for those cattle,that is not their market."

Fine, let's leave USPB out of it even though they are also chasing higher grading beef. Tyson, Excel, and Swift all have markets for choice beef.


BR: "Can I prove,Tyson sets the price on live cattle, NO! but Scott I've been there as a buyer and it happens everyday."

Logic would tell you that the three major packers are probably fairly equal in their efficiency from the standpoint of what it costs them to slaughter a fat animal. From that point, their markets for beef and beef by-products would dictate what they could pay for fat cattle. I have taken bids on fat cattle from all three major packers in numerous years and who leads that bidding process varies all the time. You can ask any major feeder out there.

I have no doubts that these packers know what the others are bidding but the only way they are going to get cattle bought is if they bid competitively. They each have a slaughter schedule to fill and the only way they are going to fill that slaughter schedule is to pay up because if they don't their competition will.

You give Tyson way too much credit.


Randy,

ok!


~SH~
 

Jason

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This thread started with a labor shortage in Canada. Tyson and Cargill here have the same capacity in Alberta, Cargill has the advantage if you include Ontario.

Question, why are the biggest packers offering contracts fot 96 cent April fats if they can set a lower price?

If the labor shortage is severe, costs go up. Yet the price for cattle is going up at the same time, and the price of boxed beef is going down. Explain how Tyson and Cargill benefit from this scenario?
 
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