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Pope's and Catholic Church believe Muslim worship same God!

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Anonymous

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The Pope agrees with GW, Obama, and most folks that evil people that hide behind religion and do evil in the name of God (Christian, Muslim, Jews, etc.) are not truly religious people...
http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=664311#664311

But unlike the Polytheists of this site that believe in a different God for each different religion - the Pope- and the Catholic Church take the same stance GW and I do-- that there is but one God- and that we all worship that same God...

Pope Francis Believes Muslims Worship The One True God

Published on Mar 22, 2013


Pope Francis I delivered a speech on March 20, 2013, declaring his gratitude to Muslims who worship "the one God". He is not alone in his assertion that Chrisians and Muslims worship the one true God as Rick Warren is also a part of this error. The world is racing toward a one world religion where the supremacy of Jesus Christ will be cast aside.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hERBapUAvfA



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Posted in: Religion Posted: October 3, 2013

Pope Francis: ‘I Believe in God, Not In A Catholic God’



Pope Francis has once again had a sly dig at the Roman Catholic Church, condemning its narcissistic “Vatican-centric view” of religion.


The new Pope, who was elected earlier this year after Pope Benedict’s resignation, has been praised for his comments since taking the position.

During a discussion with the atheist editor of La Repubblica, an Italian newspaper, Pope Francis once again made it clear that he is looking to reform the church.

The Pontiff commented, “This Vatican-centric view neglects the world around us. I don not share this view and I’ll do everything I can to change to it.”

He then went on to lay out his plan, stating, “The Church is or should go back to being a community of God’s people, and priests, pastors and bishops who have the care of souls, are at the service of the people of God.”

Pope Francis continued, “And I believe in God, not in a Catholic God, there is no Catholic God, there is God and I believe in Jesus Christ, his incarnation. Jesus is my teacher and my pastor, but God, the Father, Abba, is the light and the Creator. This is my Being. Do you think we are very far apart?”

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/979047/pope-francis-i-believe-in-god-not-in-a-catholic-god/#OzA2K7tYAKCq1mV8.99

Made me curious --So I did a little more research on this concept-- and see that it has been a long standing (50+ years ) recognized belief of the Catholic Church that there is but one God and that Allah the God of the Muslim religion is the same true God that Catholics worship... Same as I believe that God the Catholics , Christians, Jews, and Muslims worship is the God that I worship as a believer in the Biblical teachings about Abraham....


Is it the pope's private opinion that Muslims worship the same God?

Pope Benedict XVI has stated that Muslims worship the same God as Christians do. Is this just his private opinion?


Answer

No. The Second Vatican Council taught that Muslims worship the one true God:


The Church regards with esteem also the Muslims. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even his inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. (Nostra Aetate 3)
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The word Allah is the Arabic equivalent to the English word God. The word Allah is used by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews as well as Muslims. Although they have an incomplete understanding of the nature and revelation of God, Muslims worship the same God whom Christians and Jews worship.

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Pope Benedict XVI on Nostra Aetate and Islam

For more than forty years, the teaching of the Second Vatican Council has inspired and guided the approach taken by the Holy See and by local churches throughout the world to relations with the followers of other religions. Following the biblical tradition, the Council teaches that the entire human race shares a common origin and a common destiny: God, our Creator and the goal of our earthly pilgrimage. Christians and Muslims belong to the family of those who believe in the one God and who, according to their respective traditions, trace their ancestry to Abraham. (cf. Second Vatican Council, Nostra Aetate 1, 3)


http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/is-it-the-popes-private-opinion-that-muslims-worship-the-same-god
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Mike

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Nobody knows for sure Einstein......................... :roll: :roll:

Opinions are a lot like you. Azzholes.
 

loomixguy

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The Roman Catholic Church is not immune to torture or perversion, and social manipulation on a worldwide basis. Just because they have an "official stance" on an issue that doesn't make it right or correct.
 
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Whitewing said:
Troll much, OT?

:lol: :lol: Pot calling the kettle black?...

If littlejoe, Kola, or I weren't around to throw the rightwingernuts some raw meat every once in a while the whole coyote pack crew of you would be chewing each others legs off in their phobic need to do their hatemongering/fearmongering and name calling rants...
Your dinkies would probably shrivel up and fall off... :wink: :p :lol:
 

hypocritexposer

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Sounds like OT just admitted it...


A new study shows that internet trolls really are just terrible human beings.
Published on September 18, 2014 by Jennifer Golbeck, Ph.D. in Your Online

In this month's issue of Personality and Individual Differences, a study was published that confirms what we all suspected: internet trolls are horrible people.

Let's start by getting our definitions straight. An internet troll is someone who comes into a discussion and posts comments designed to upset or disrupt the conversation. Often, it seems like there is no real purpose behind their comments except to upset everyone else involved. Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response.

What kind of person would do this?

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists?tr=MostViewed


"... the associations between sadism and GAIT (Global Assessment of Internet Trolling) scores were so strong that it might be said that online trolls are prototypical everyday sadists." [emphasis added]

Trolls truly enjoy making you feel bad. To quote the authors once more (because this is a truly quotable article):

"Both trolls and sadists feel sadistic glee at the distress of others. Sadists just want to have fun ... and the Internet is their playground!"

So next time you encounter a troll online, remember a few things. (1) These trolls are some truly messed up people and (2) it is your suffering that brings them pleasure, so the best thing you can do is ignore them.
 

Steve

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Whoever knows the Old and New Testaments, and then reads the Koran, clearly sees the process by which it completely reduces Divine Revelation. It is impossible not to note the movement away from what God said about Himself, first in the Old Testament through the Prophets, and then finally in the New Testament through His Son. In Islam all the richness of God's self-revelation, which constitutes the heritage of the Old and New Testaments, has definitely been set aside. Some of the most beautiful names in the human language are given to the God of the Koran, but He is ultimately a God outside of the World, a God who is only Majesty, never Emmanuel, God-with-us. Islam is not a religion of redemption. There is no room for the Cross and the Resurrection(p. 92).
 

Steve

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Pope Francis continued, “And I believe in God, not in a Catholic God, there is no Catholic God, there is God and I believe in Jesus Christ, his incarnation. Jesus is my teacher and my pastor, but God, the Father, Abba, is the light and the Creator. This is my Being. Do you think we are very far apart?”

if this got you thinking.. why is it you came up with the wrong conclusion?

Abba is basically father in Aramaic

so the statement reads..



Jesus is my teacher and my pastor, but God, the Father, Abba, is the light and the Creator.

notice the commas?

"In general, the comma shows that the words immediately before the comma are less closely or exclusively linked grammatically to those immediately after the comma than they might be otherwise. "

he is using other names for G-D. as is common in most religions..

so how is this comment used to conclude Pope Francis says his G-D is the same as a muslim god.. it doesn't..

his statement simply uses several common names for our G-D.

(exclusively linked) Jesus is my teacher and my pastor, but God, the Father ,

and again.. (exclusively linked) , Abba, is the light and the Creator. hint (trinity)


He further reinforced his belief.. of one G-D, is Christianity ,..and professed his Christian faith.
there is God and I believe in Jesus Christ, his incarnation.

in this statement he is clearly showing that ALL denominations of Christianity believe in the same Christian G-D,..

muslims do not believe in Jesus's incarnation.. a belief that Jesus, was born of man, but a true G-D
The Incarnation represents the belief that the Son of God, who is the non-created second hypostasis of the triune God, took on a human body and nature and became both man and God. In the Bible its clearest teaching is in John 1:14

so if muslims think he is just a man.. then he can't be the same god as theirs..

as I have said many times.. you can't believe both.. and Pope Francis clearly believe in the Christian G-D Jesus

as for what the muslims believe.. well go look it up.. just be warned.. it ain't pretty...
 

redrobin

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The 1st commandment is have no other gods before me.
Deut 6 says God is a jealous God. etc. The God of the Bible is different than the one that you, muslims and the pope worship.

Here is what the God of the Bible says.
Deu 6:14

Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;

Deu 6:15

(For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.

It seems to me from reading those two verses that the God of the Bible knows there are other false gods and some people worship them.

http://www.allaboutmuhammad.com/allah-vs-jehovah.html
 

Martin Jr.

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There is but one God.

However, many Muslims have forgotten God, and worship the god of power and control.
Likewise, many that call themselves Christian worship the god of money and material things, and also sometimes the god of power.

As long as they love (the true) God with their whole heart, their whole mind and their whole soul, and love their neighbor as themselves, I have no trouble with that.

As far as the Vatican and the Catholic Church, the Church is much bigger than the Vatican. The Vatican is just the seat of the Bishop of Rome, the head of the church, and the politics of the Vatican don't reflect the beliefs of the Church, The truths that are the basis of Christian belief are the heart of the Catholic Church, and these truths are not affected by the politics.
 
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redrobin said:
The 1st commandment is have no other gods before me.
Deut 6 says God is a jealous God. etc. The God of the Bible is different than the one that you, muslims and the pope worship.

Here is what the God of the Bible says.
Deu 6:14

Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;

Deu 6:15

(For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.

It seems to me from reading those two verses that the God of the Bible knows there are other false gods and some people worship them.

http://www.allaboutmuhammad.com/allah-vs-jehovah.html


So you are one of the Polytheists that believe in a different God for each different religion :???:
Do you believe that after creating the world, and all inhabitants, and taking the 7th day for rest as the Bible tells us-- He just thru up His arms and said-"OK, I'm done - here you Jews take replacement God A, and you Catholics- since you think differently take replacement God B- and now that you Protestants have shown up- you take God C-- and now for this other group called Muslims I'll give you God D " :???: :roll:

Or did each one of your many Gods create the people of each religion or sect :???:

Since my world religions class in college and later Bible studies I have been a believer in the Abrahamic religions and the fact that we all share One Creator- One God Almighty.... Now that I have learned that that was generally the direction taken by the Second Vatican Council 50 years ago - I wonder if that isn't where I first began looking at the belief...My memories of 45-50 years ago aren't as sharp as they used to be....

But I do know everything I've studied since then has only strengthened my belief in One God Almighty- that created and looks over us all...

And I respect your right to your beliefs and your right to express your beliefs but I doubt highly if any of your preaching will alter my thinking...

I posted this mainly to show that besides GW, Obama, and myself- that there were numerous theological scholars and men of the cloth including Popes, Cardinals and the Second Vatican Council that believed the same-- and that because they do does not immediately make them Muslims as some of the rightwingernut extremists like to rant in their hate and fearmongering spiels....




Pope Benedict XVI has stated that Muslims worship the same God as Christians do. Is this just his private opinion?


Answer

No. The Second Vatican Council taught that Muslims worship the one true God:


The Church regards with esteem also the Muslims. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even his inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. (Nostra Aetate 3)
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The word Allah is the Arabic equivalent to the English word God. The word Allah is used by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews as well as Muslims. Although they have an incomplete understanding of the nature and revelation of God, Muslims worship the same God whom Christians and Jews worship.

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Pope Benedict XVI on Nostra Aetate and Islam

For more than forty years, the teaching of the Second Vatican Council has inspired and guided the approach taken by the Holy See and by local churches throughout the world to relations with the followers of other religions. Following the biblical tradition, the Council teaches that the entire human race shares a common origin and a common destiny: God, our Creator and the goal of our earthly pilgrimage. Christians and Muslims belong to the family of those who believe in the one God and who, according to their respective traditions, trace their ancestry to Abraham. (cf. Second Vatican Council, Nostra Aetate 1, 3)


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littlejoe

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loomixguy said:
The Roman Catholic Church is not immune to torture or perversion, and social manipulation on a worldwide basis. Just because they have an "official stance" on an issue that doesn't make it right or correct.
So--agree or disagree that RC is largest and oldest criminal organization in existence?
 

Steve

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Do you believe that after creating the world, and all inhabitants, and taking the 7th day for rest as the Bible tells us--

But I do know everything I've studied since then has only strengthened my belief in One God Almighty- that created and looks over us all...

interesting contradiction..

as for the question, I can't speak for others... just for my self...

I do not know,.. I have faith..

My question for those who discount Genesis, and other books of the bible.. if you believe part of the bible is false.. then why believe any of it?


a Christian either believes or he doesn't,.. it is a clear cut as that..


for those of you liberals with "doubts" enough to continually question biblical teachings.. maybe your questions exceed your faith maybe you are just that mixed up?

Agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of God, as well as other religious and metaphysical claims—are unknown or unknowable

Agnostic (from Ancient Greek ἀ- (a-), meaning "without", and γνῶσις (gnōsis), meaning "knowledge")

gee that fits the godly view I hear from many liberals.. without knowledge...






(not meant as an insult to those who openly acknowledge they are agnostic.. ),.. they actually have some knowledge..
 
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iwannabeacowboy said:
OT,

Jesus said he was the Son of God and God in the flesh, part of the trinity.

So, in YOUR opinion, is he A. The Son of God B. A liar C. Insane

In reading up on the Second Vatican Council which took place over years-- besides the Cardinals and Catholic's directly involved- there were reported to be hundreds of other denomination theologians that observed the council- and altho they had no direct input to the council, played a role in crafting the final product with their post council acceptance or rejection...
And I think the Council handled the differences between Muslims and Christians quite well- including that of Jesus who plays a major role in both religions...

The word Allah is the Arabic equivalent to the English word God. The word Allah is used by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews as well as Muslims. Although they have an incomplete understanding of the nature and revelation of God, Muslims worship the same God whom Christians and Jews worship.
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Oldtimer said:
iwannabeacowboy said:
OT,

Jesus said he was the Son of God and God in the flesh, part of the trinity.

So, in YOUR opinion, is he A. The Son of God B. A liar C. Insane

In reading up on the Second Vatican Council which took place over years-- besides the Cardinals and Catholic's directly involved- there were reported to be hundreds of other denomination theologians that observed the council- and altho they had no direct input to the council, played a role in crafting the final product with their post council acceptance or rejection...
And I think the Council handled the differences between Muslims and Christians quite well- including that of Jesus who plays a major role in both religions...

The word Allah is the Arabic equivalent to the English word God. The word Allah is used by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews as well as Muslims. Although they have an incomplete understanding of the nature and revelation of God, yMuslims worship the same God whom Christians and Jews worship.

Answer the question. Which one do YOU believe? I'll just keep asking until you do.
 
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