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Pope's and Catholic Church believe Muslim worship same God!

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iwannabeacowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
iwannabeacowboy said:
OT,

Jesus said he was the Son of God and God in the flesh, part of the trinity.

So, in YOUR opinion, is he A. The Son of God B. A liar C. Insane

In reading up on the Second Vatican Council which took place over years-- besides the Cardinals and Catholic's directly involved- there were reported to be hundreds of other denomination theologians that observed the council- and altho they had no direct input to the council, played a role in crafting the final product with their post council acceptance or rejection...
And I think the Council handled the differences between Muslims and Christians quite well- including that of Jesus who plays a major role in both religions...

The word Allah is the Arabic equivalent to the English word God. The word Allah is used by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews as well as Muslims. Although they have an incomplete understanding of the nature and revelation of God, yMuslims worship the same God whom Christians and Jews worship.

Answer the question. Which one do YOU believe? I'll just keep asking until you do.

Keep asking then- because I gave my answer....
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Oldtimer said:
iwannabeacowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
In reading up on the Second Vatican Council which took place over years-- besides the Cardinals and Catholic's directly involved- there were reported to be hundreds of other denomination theologians that observed the council- and altho they had no direct input to the council, played a role in crafting the final product with their post council acceptance or rejection...
And I think the Council handled the differences between Muslims and Christians quite well- including that of Jesus who plays a major role in both religions...

Answer the question. Which one do YOU believe? I'll just keep asking until you do.

Keep asking then- because I gave my answer....

No liar, you dodged. Answer the question or shut up.
 

mrj

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This reminds me of hearing 'religion' discussed in a bar (or any other place) while drinking alcoholic beverages. Lots of claims, opinions, and accusations tossed about. Not much religious enlightenment. But it ranges from humorous to childish, to tiresome, to amazingly silly, and occasional wise statements...... and round and round again!!!

My 'two cents worth': I wonder.......will Israel be able to save our sorry butts once again with decisive, direct, and necessary, if very costly action to stop the terrorists from achieving their "Armageddon" they believe will bring about the world according to their twisted version of religion???

mrj
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
Whitewing said:
Troll much, OT?

:lol: :lol: Pot calling the kettle black?...

If littlejoe, Kola, or I weren't around to throw the rightwingernuts some raw meat every once in a while the whole coyote pack crew of you would be chewing each others legs off in their phobic need to do their hatemongering/fearmongering and name calling rants...
Your dinkies would probably shrivel up and fall off... :wink: :p :lol:

So the answer is yes then, you're here to troll. Not that that should come as a surprise to anyone here. Afterall, it was you who left in a huff (never to return) because we weren't rural enough. Hmm, that makes you a liar as well.
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Nah, ww he just likes to post on things he can't answer a single question on, because he's so passionate about the subject.

Anyone have a count on the number of posts, he's posted on the subject.


OT,

Jesus said he was the Son of God and God in the flesh, part of the trinity.

So, in YOUR opinion, is he. A. The Son of God. B. A liar. C. Insane?

You need not post a diatribe of someone else's statements to answer your opinion.
 

Whitewing

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iwannabeacowboy said:
Nah, ww he just likes to post on things he can't answer a single question on, because he's so passionate about the subject.

Which I why I don't generally get involved in his religious baitings. He doesn't give a fat rat's ass about any of it and is just trying to piss people off. But, of course, we're the hate mongers. :roll:

Oh, there was that one gem he dropped, when he talked about my Jesus. I just couldn't let that one go without comment. "My Jesus". :lol:
 

Martin Jr.

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C. S. Lewis mentions this in 'Mere Christianity". At the end of Chapter 3 he says: "I am trying to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: 'I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept his claim to be God.' That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg - or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronising nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
Chapter 4
"We are faced then, with a frightening alternative. This man we are talking about either was (and is) just what He said or else a lunatic or something worst. Now it seems obvious that He was neither a lunatic nor a fiend: and consequently, however strange or terrifying or unlikely it may seem, I have to accept the view that He was and is God."

Now, the words of Jesus were not written down by him or by one man, but by several men, which makes it more believable than if only one man had written it. The Gospel of John, chapter 1 says well who Jesus was:
"In the beginning was the Word; the Word was in God's presence, and the Word was God. He was present to God in the beginning. Through him all things came into being, and apart from him nothing came to be. Whatever came to be in him, found life, life for the light of men. The light shines on in darkness, a darkness that did not overcome it.
There was a man named John sent by God, who came as a witness to testify to the light, so that through him all men might believe - but only to testify to the light, for he himself was not the light. The real light which gives light to every man was coming into the world.
He was in the world, and through him the world was made, yet the world did not know who he was. To his own he came, yet his own did not accept him. Any who did accept him he empowered to become children of God.
These are they who believe in his name - who were begotten not by blood, nor by carnal desire, nor by man's willing it, but by God.
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we have seen his glory: the glory of an only Son coming from the Father, filled with enduring love."
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Whitewing said:
iwannabeacowboy said:
Nah, ww he just likes to post on things he can't answer a single question on, because he's so passionate about the subject.

Which I why I don't generally get involved in his religious baitings. He doesn't give a fat rat's ass about any of it and is just trying to p*** people off. But, of course, we're the hate mongers. :roll:

Oh, there was that one gem he dropped, when he talked about my Jesus. I just couldn't let that one go without comment. "My Jesus". :lol:


I definitely get your point. I sure don't intend to come off as irritated in any difference of religious opinion because you can find 5 churches in about every small town that apparently differ enough in their views they all need a different building, but I will bust his chops for doing what you are claiming, attempting to Troll with no interest in real debate.
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Martin Jr. said:
C. S. Lewis mentions this in 'Mere Christianity". At the end of Chapter 3 he says: "I am trying to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: 'I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept his claim to be God.' That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg - or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronising nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
Chapter 4
"We are faced then, with a frightening alternative. This man we are talking about either was (and is) just what He said or else a lunatic or something worst. Now it seems obvious that He was neither a lunatic nor a fiend: and consequently, however strange or terrifying or unlikely it may seem, I have to accept the view that He was and is God."

Now, the words of Jesus were not written down by him or by one man, but by several men, which makes it more believable than if only one man had written it. The Gospel of John, chapter 1 says well who Jesus was:
"In the beginning was the Word; the Word was in God's presence, and the Word was God. He was present to God in the beginning. Through him all things came into being, and apart from him nothing came to be. Whatever came to be in him, found life, life for the light of men. The light shines on in darkness, a darkness that did not overcome it.
There was a man named John sent by God, who came as a witness to testify to the light, so that through him all men might believe - but only to testify to the light, for he himself was not the light. The real light which gives light to every man was coming into the world.
He was in the world, and through him the world was made, yet the world did not know who he was. To his own he came, yet his own did not accept him. Any who did accept him he empowered to become children of God.
These are they who believe in his name - who were begotten not by blood, nor by carnal desire, nor by man's willing it, but by God.
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we have seen his glory: the glory of an only Son coming from the Father, filled with enduring love."

Bingo Martin. Purely using analytical thinking, believe or not, but you cannot claim a middle ground that cannot logically exist.

And because it cannot logically exist, a belief that claims it does about the central being, God, cannot be the same as a belief that claims the opposite.

If God is truly a trinity, of which Jesus is God, then He cannot be the same God that is not a trinity of which Jesus is a mere moral teacher that isn't moral because He was both blasphemous and a liar.

It just can't be. You have to pick one story or the other.

Only by completely ignoring everything from both beliefs can someone claim they are the same, and only by ignoring discussion about anything meaningful or staking a position can one attempt to argue the invalid point that they likely know is invalid, and therefore the reason to avoid answering honest questions.

I may not agree, but can accept an honest answer. I have no use for game playing.
 

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