I didn't get any more pictures taken of the Apache Feeders, but there was really no waist.....and the calves went right to eating. The two alfalfa bales were too hard, they didn't get much good out of them, but they ate right in to both sides of the millet bales. I then took a Bobcat and pushed the bales over and pulled the hay on the tops down into the void.....but they basically worked real well. Also, sort of broke up the runway in case something would have scared the calves. Hope all the other bunches of calves wean this easy.