• If you are having problems logging in please use the Contact Us in the lower right hand corner of the forum page for assistance.

POSSIBLE TERRORIST DRY RUN?

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
POSSIBLE TERRORIST DRY RUN?


Monday, November 30, 2009

This has been a subject of discussion amongst a few of us for a couple of weeks. The person's account below is known to three of our group, and he is NOT a whiner or complainer...

He's an ex-Navy diver, working for a government organization; he has traveled extensively world-wide. This is his account of what happened on Flight 297 on the taxiway and at the gate in Atlanta . . .


One week ago, I went to Ohio on business and to see my father. On Tuesday, November the 17th, I returned home. If you read the papers the 18th you may have seen a blurb where a AirTran flight was cancelled from Atlanta to Houston due to a man who refused to get off of his cell phone before takeoff. It was on Fox.

This was NOT what happened.

I was in 1st class coming home. 11 Muslim men got on the plane in full attire. 2 sat in 1st class and the rest peppered themselves throughout the plane all the way to the back. As the plane taxied to the runway the stewardesses gave the safety spiel we are all so familiar with. At that time, one of the men got on his cell and called one of his companions in the back and proceeded to talk on the phone in Arabic very loudly and very aggressively. This took the 1st stewardess out of the picture for she repeatedly told the man that cell phones were not permitted at the time. He ignored her as if she was not there.

The 2nd man who answered the phone did the same and this took out the 2nd stewardess. In the back of the plane at this time, 2 younger Muslims, one in the back aisle, and one in front of him, window, began to show footage of a porno they had taped the night before, and were very loud about it. Now . . . they are only permitted to do this prior to Jihad. If a Muslim man goes into a strip club, he has to view the woman via mirror with his back to her. (don’t ask me . . . I don’t make the rules, but I’ve studied).

The 3rd stewardess informed them that they were not to have electronic devices on at this time. To which one of the men said "Shut up infidel dog!" She went to take the camcorder and he began to scream in her face in Arabic. At that exact moment, all 11 of them got up and started to walk the cabin. This is where I had had enough! I got up and started to the back where I heard a voice behind me from another Texan twice my size say "I got your back." I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said "You WILL go sit down or you WILL be thrown from this plane!"

As I 'led' him around me to take his seat, the fellow Texan grabbed him by the back of his neck and his waist and headed out with him. I then grabbed the 2nd man and said, "You WILL do the same!" He protested but adrenaline was flowing now and he was going to go. As I escorted him forward the plane doors open and 3 TSA agents and 4 police officers entered. Me and my new Texan friend were told to cease and desist for they had this under control. I was happy to oblige actually. There was some commotion in the back, but within moments, all 11 were escorted off the plane. They then unloaded their luggage.

We talked about the occurrence and were in disbelief that it had happen, when suddenly, the door open again and on walked all 11!! Stone faced, eyes front and robotic (the only way I can describe it). The stewardess from the back had been in tears and when she saw this, she was having NONE of it! Being that I was up front, I heard and saw the whole ordeal. She told the TSA agent there was NO WAY she was staying on the plane with these men. The agent told her they had searched them and were going to go through their luggage with a fine tooth comb and that they were allowed to proceed to Houston. The captain and co-captain came out and told the agent "We and our crew will not fly this plane!" After a word or two, the entire crew, luggage in tow, left the plane. 5 minutes later, the cabin door opened again and a whole new crew walked on.

Again . . . this is where I had had enough!!! I got up and asked "What the hell is going on!?!?" I was told to take my seat. They were sorry for the delay and I would be home shortly. I said "I’m getting off this plane". The stewardess sternly told me that she could not allow me to get off. (now I’m mad!) I said "I am a grown man who bought this ticket, who’s time is mine with a family at home and I am going through that door, or I’m going through that door with you under my arm!! But I am going through that door!!" And I heard a voice behind me say "So am I".

Then everyone behind us started to get up and say the same. Within 2 minutes, I was walking off that plane where I was met with more agents who asked me to write a statement. I had 5 hours to kill at this point so why the hell not. Due to the amount of people who got off that flight, it was canceled. I was supposed to be in Houston at 6pm. I got here at 12:30am.

Look up the date. Flight 297 Atlanta to Houston.

If this wasn’t a dry run, I don’t know what one is. They wanted to see how TSA would handle it, how the crew would handle it, and how the passengers would handle it.

I’m telling this to you because I want you to know . . .

The threat is real. I saw it with my own eyes . . .

-Tedd

http://seanlinnane.blogspot.com/2009/12/possible-terrorist-dry-run.html


Another first-person account from Dr. Keith A. Robinson, a chaplain from Houston, is equally chilling:

http://espositosmusings.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/air-tran-flight-297-incident1.pdf
 

Steve

Well-known member
http://www.insideairtran.com/?p=2200

seems to be a bit of truth.. and some denial from AirTran..



On November 17, 2009, AirTran flight 297 was scheduled to travel from Atlanta to Houston-Hobby. During taxi a passenger was non-compliant with Crew Members, using a cell phone and taking pictures. The flight taxied back to the gate and the passenger, who did not speak English, and his companion acting as his interpreter were asked to de-plane. They were met by customer service personnel and TSA.

The passengers were allowed to re-board and continued on the flight after speaking with AirTran and TSA representatives. The flight was delayed by more than two hours.

seems there was a problem.. and the plane returned to the gate. 13 middle eastern men were deplaned.. all but two were allowed to re-plane

part of the crew was swapped.. and twelve passengers refused to fly with Air tran.. but the e-mail is simply untrue... :roll: :roll:

and the Texan wasn't on the plane..


one would think our media could maybe investigate these allegations..
 

burnt

Well-known member
Steve said:
http://www.insideairtran.com/?p=2200

seems to be a bit of truth.. and some denial from AirTran..



On November 17, 2009, AirTran flight 297 was scheduled to travel from Atlanta to Houston-Hobby. During taxi a passenger was non-compliant with Crew Members, using a cell phone and taking pictures. The flight taxied back to the gate and the passenger, who did not speak English, and his companion acting as his interpreter were asked to de-plane. They were met by customer service personnel and TSA.

The passengers were allowed to re-board and continued on the flight after speaking with AirTran and TSA representatives. The flight was delayed by more than two hours.

seems there was a problem.. and the plane returned to the gate. 13 middle eastern men were deplaned.. all but two were allowed to re-plane

part of the crew was swapped.. and twelve passengers refused to fly with Air tran.. but the e-mail is simply untrue... :roll: :roll:

and the Texan wasn't on the plane..


one would think our media could maybe investigate these allegations..

Media is too busy watching important stuff like Tiger and Elin.
 

Ben H

Well-known member
About two years ago Glenn Beck warned us about the possibility of islamo-fascist attacking multiple targets on the same day, likely schools like Beslen, Russia. The goal is to incite violence by Americans against Muslims here, they could then show the images of us burning mosques on Al Jazeera.
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Seems to be denial on the Airline's part, and the media isn't reporting this at all. If I was cycnical, I'd chalked it up to more political correctness.


Comments from flight crew and airline personnel


As initially stated, proper and accurate investigation takes time to corroborate eyewitness accounts, which are often unreliable, contradictive and in cases like this, colored by emotion. Having interviewed a total of seven-(7) individuals directly involved in this incident over the last several days, including two law enforcement officers who handled the after action reports, the situation pertaining to the initial 13 and remaining 10 or 11 Muslim men allowed to continue their travels was far greater than an incident involving the unauthorized use of a cell phone that resulted in a minor flight delay, as reported by the mainstream media.

According to one airline security official, “This was a deliberate, well planned attempt to disrupt a domestic flight that was organized in advance of the boarding of these [Muslim] passengers. The purpose of their actions appeared to be multi-faceted, not the least of which was an attempt to change their status from passengers to victims of religious profiling. The situation was handled in a manner that we believe might have avoided an incident like USAir had in 2006, where everyone from the passengers who reported suspicious behavior to the airline was subjected to legal action by the Muslim passengers.”

While litigation might have been avoided, passengers and flight crew remain traumatized, and our air travel system was unnecessarily disrupted during one of the busiest air travel weeks in the U.S. The agenda of the Islamists behind this incident is clear, yet no one in the media seems to have the desire to expose these ideological cretins for what they are.

Additional information about this incident is forthcoming.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17508
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
jingo2 said:
Sounds to me like it was taken care of early on.



Seems like the system worked.

Like a drunk that disrupts a flight, they should have been arrested. They should not have been allowed back onto the flight.

Was there enough time in between taking them off the flight and putting them back on, to do a thorough background check?
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Larrry said:
Those type of responses by the authorities gave us the Ft. Hood massacre.

I was on another discussion forum and there is a guy that worked within the airline industry explaining that this type of thing has happened a couple of times in the last few years.

It's hushed up, so as not to create fear and a loss of business.

But I cannot vouch for the guy, so take it for what it's worth.


It might also be a case of a group trying to create a "discrimination" type situation, where they might profit.

Tues., Oct . 20, 2009

MINNEAPOLIS - Six imams taken off a 2006 US Airways flight after passengers reported what they considered suspicious behavior have settled their discrimination lawsuit, saying they considered it acknowledgment that their removal was a mistake.
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
hypocritexposer said:
Larrry said:
Those type of responses by the authorities gave us the Ft. Hood massacre.

I was on another discussion forum and there is a guy that worked within the airline industry explaining that this type of thing has happened a couple of times in the last few years.

It's hushed up, so as not to create fear and a loss of business.

But I cannot vouch for the guy, so take it for what it's worth.


It might also be a case of a group trying to create a "discrimination" type situation, where they might profit.

Tues., Oct . 20, 2009

MINNEAPOLIS - Six imams taken off a 2006 US Airways flight after passengers reported what they considered suspicious behavior have settled their discrimination lawsuit, saying they considered it acknowledgment that their removal was a mistake.

I also figured it might be a get rich quick scheme.

Only part I do not understand is why the average American will allow discrimination the average drunk gets pulled off while these idiots get by with anything and everything and go unpunished.


If its fair game for the muslim klan to sue let the average American reap the rewards also then maybe just maybe they might rethink their policy.
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
6 December 2009: It was January 1, 2009 when passengers aboard an AirTran flight 175 departing from Reagan National Airport became alarmed by a conversation they overheard between two other passengers, dressed in Muslim attire, talking about the safest place to sit on board an aircraft in the event a bomb was aboard. The two Muslim passengers were among a party of nine traveling together from Washington DC to Orlando, Florida to attend an Islamic conference.

According to one witness report at the time, the content of the conversation not only seemed suspicious, but “deliberately loud or at least loud enough to be over heard by a number of other passengers seated nearby. Those alarmed passengers reported their concerns to the AirTran flight crew, who subsequently caused all 104 passengers, including the 9 Muslims, to deplane while an investigation was conducted. All passengers were rescreened and permitted to re-board, except those nine-(9) Muslims at the center of controversy who were traveling together.

At that time, AirTran made a decision not to allow the Muslims back onto the aircraft. Although the FBI reportedly concluded their investigation of the Muslim passengers, the investigation into the incident itself was not yet fully complete. Concurrent investigations were incomplete at the time, according to airline sources. To their credit, acting within their rights and in consideration to the safety of all of their passengers, AirTran denied the controversial party boarding back onto the already disrupted flight.

In the end, none of the remaining 95 passengers made it to their ultimate destinations on time, AirTran refunded some tickets and made other booking arrangements due to the incident, which cost the airline dearly in time, money, and passenger goodwill.

What happened next, however, just might serve to explain the alleged misrepresentation of facts and AirTran’s strong response to the most recent incident- Flight 297 just eleven months later.

Within hours of the incident, the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) issued a press release accusing the airline of violating the civil rights of the Muslim passengers and filed a complaint against the airline with the U.S. Department of Transportation. Under threat of litigation, CAIR, named in federal court documents as an unindicted co-conspirator in an unrelated terror financing case, demanded the airline apologize to the offended Muslims and undergo what can be described as sensitivity training to avoid such future incidents.

In its DOT complaint, CAIR wrote:

“It is incumbent on any airline to ensure that members of the traveling public are not singled out or mistreated based on their perceived race, religion or national origin. We believe this disturbing incident would never have occurred had the Muslim passengers removed from the plane not been perceived by other travelers and airline personnel as members of the Islamic faith.”

It certainly appears that a well organized media blitz by the Muslim passengers, facilitated by CAIR, ultimately caused the facts of the incident to be altered. Important elements of the alarming conversation that overheard by passengers of Flight 175 were either omitted from news reports in the major media or significantly downplayed. The Muslim passengers accused of making the statements were given center stage by the media, where they admitted talking about the safest place to sit onboard the aircraft, but flatly denied making any alarming comments. Instead, they suggested that the other passengers overreacted, stating “people hear what they want to hear sometimes.”

The essence of the remarks made by the Muslim passengers was further misrepresented in subsequent media reports. AirTran and the concerned passengers who clearly heard the suspicious comments were made to look like the villains of the story. Soon, the media was reporting that the word “bomb” was never even mentioned.

Much like the most recent AirTran incident and similar incidents involving other airlines since 9/11, differing accounts of the event were introduced almost on cue in what appeared to be an effort to obfuscate the salient facts of the event, with Muslim advocacy groups such as CAIR positioned accordingly to compel all those in their path to submit to their demands or face the prospect of costly litigation, which, of course, they could facilitate. To assist them in that endeavor, they have even published a handy pocket guide to assist Muslim travelers who feel “stigmatized” by airline and airline security personnel.

As reported in 2006 by Audrey Hudson in the Washington Times, Muslims traveling [to Saudi Arabia for the hajj] have been urged to complain if they feel discriminated against by the airlines. The solicitation to complain about the slightest perception of discrimination by the airline security screening process, whether traveling abroad or domestically, is widespread.

It is important for people to understand exactly what is taking place in America and throughout the West, and recognize the tactics that are being employed to attack and weaken the security of airline travel by claims of discrimination. People must recognize the agenda of those who are attempting to weaken our resolve through accusations of discrimination, threats of lawsuits, and public ridicule.

Like it or not, we are involved in asymmetrical warfare. This is but one tactic of that war.
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
The official statements are not adding up.

At the gate, the passenger -- who didn't speak English -- and a companion were asked to leave the plane, which they did without incident, the airline reported.

When it was determined the problem was caused by a language barrier, AirTran and Transportation Security Administration officials allowed the man, and 12 others traveling with him, to reboard, and the flight left for Houston a little more than two hours later. Later, officials said the entire incident was the result of a miscommunication.

http://www.ajc.com/business/airtran-hero-wasn-t-226517.html


If the guy that wrote the email was not on the flight, how would he know anything occurred at all???? The incident was not publicized in any manner.

Until the email, no one even knew why the flight was delayed. Yet, they claim he wasn’t on the flight???
 

schnurrbart

Well-known member
Steve said:
http://www.insideairtran.com/?p=2200

seems to be a bit of truth.. and some denial from AirTran..



On November 17, 2009, AirTran flight 297 was scheduled to travel from Atlanta to Houston-Hobby. During taxi a passenger was non-compliant with Crew Members, using a cell phone and taking pictures. The flight taxied back to the gate and the passenger, who did not speak English, and his companion acting as his interpreter were asked to de-plane. They were met by customer service personnel and TSA.

The passengers were allowed to re-board and continued on the flight after speaking with AirTran and TSA representatives. The flight was delayed by more than two hours.

seems there was a problem.. and the plane returned to the gate. 13 middle eastern men were deplaned.. all but two were allowed to re-plane

part of the crew was swapped.. and twelve passengers refused to fly with Air tran.. but the e-mail is simply untrue... :roll: :roll:

and the Texan wasn't on the plane..


one would think our media could maybe investigate these allegations..

While doing some reading, I learned that porn is NOT allowed by the Koran PERIOD. What some investigators have learned is that perhaps, the individuals are a. a bunch of sick guys and that is why they are willing to die for 72 virgins or b. since porn is not allowed, they can discuss their upcoming attacks in sex chat rooms since most wouldn't look for them there. Investigators in England checked the hard drives of some of the 9/11 men and found nothing about al Qaeda but did find a lot of porn. Most of stuff like this can be found to be internet legends and rumors.
 

Steve

Well-known member
schnurrbart said:
Steve said:
http://www.insideairtran.com/?p=2200

seems to be a bit of truth.. and some denial from AirTran..



On November 17, 2009, AirTran flight 297 was scheduled to travel from Atlanta to Houston-Hobby. During taxi a passenger was non-compliant with Crew Members, using a cell phone and taking pictures. The flight taxied back to the gate and the passenger, who did not speak English, and his companion acting as his interpreter were asked to de-plane. They were met by customer service personnel and TSA.

The passengers were allowed to re-board and continued on the flight after speaking with AirTran and TSA representatives. The flight was delayed by more than two hours.

seems there was a problem.. and the plane returned to the gate. 13 middle eastern men were deplaned.. all but two were allowed to re-plane

part of the crew was swapped.. and twelve passengers refused to fly with Air tran.. but the e-mail is simply untrue... :roll: :roll:

and the Texan wasn't on the plane..


one would think our media could maybe investigate these allegations..

While doing some reading, I learned that porn is NOT allowed by the Koran PERIOD. What some investigators have learned is that perhaps, the individuals are a. a bunch of sick guys and that is why they are willing to die for 72 virgins or b. since porn is not allowed, they can discuss their upcoming attacks in sex chat rooms since most wouldn't look for them there. Investigators in England checked the hard drives of some of the 9/11 men and found nothing about al Qaeda but did find a lot of porn. Most of stuff like this can be found to be internet legends and rumors.

okey.. but what has porn to do this? I don't see the connection ???
between some middle eastern men acting suspicious and your research of Muslim porn habits?
 
Top