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Post Racial or not????

Tam

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I was just watching ORielly and they were talking about Race relations in the US since Obama took Office. Can anyone explain to me why when this topic comes up it is a white person on the panel that is piping off about how racist the US is over Obama and a Black person saying that is crap and the reason people don't like the guy is because of his POLICIES? Wouldn't you think it would be the other way around when they claim Obama has 95% approval in the Black communities. :?

I heard it said that even though Obama was sold as a Post-Racial President it was truer to label him the Most-Racial President. Which IO have to totally agree with. I believe his presidency has set the US back at least 50 if not 100 years in Race Relations. :x
 

hypocritexposer

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Tam said:
I was just watching ORielly and they were talking about Race relations in the US since Obama took Office. Can anyone explain to me why when this topic comes up it is a white person on the panel that is piping off about how racist the US is over Obama and a Black person saying that is crap and the reason people don't like the guy is because of his POLICIES? Wouldn't you think it would be the other way around when they claim Obama has 95% approval in the Black communities. :?

I heard it said that even though Obama was sold as a Post-Racial President it was truer to label him the Most-Racial President. Which IO have to totally agree with. I believe his presidency has set the US back at least 50 if not 100 years in Race Relations. :x

If it continues, it might be back to the period where there were race wars, that's for sure.

Mind you when you look at crimes, against whites, maybe it's already started.
 

Tam

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hypocritexposer said:
Tam said:
I was just watching ORielly and they were talking about Race relations in the US since Obama took Office. Can anyone explain to me why when this topic comes up it is a white person on the panel that is piping off about how racist the US is over Obama and a Black person saying that is crap and the reason people don't like the guy is because of his POLICIES? Wouldn't you think it would be the other way around when they claim Obama has 95% approval in the Black communities. :?

I heard it said that even though Obama was sold as a Post-Racial President it was truer to label him the Most-Racial President. Which IO have to totally agree with. I believe his presidency has set the US back at least 50 if not 100 years in Race Relations. :x

If it continues, it might be back to the period where there were race wars, that's for sure.

Mind you when you look at crimes, against whites, maybe it's already started.

If the Attorney General is dropping charges on blacks when whites are the victims you can bet the fighting will be on and Obama will be the one to blame as he appointed the AG.
 
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Anonymous

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this was all done by design. Obama promised change? He has continued the wars as he was elected by the same corporations that got Bush elected. Haliburton, Big Oil, Global Bankers, Wall Street etc. He even kept Robert Gates as the secretary of defense. This was all by design. He is not an American Black. He is from Kenya. His real background is a mystery. But, he was elected because the corporate media wanted him elected as they were directed by the Bilderburg Group after he met with them during the election.

Remember, Bush started the bailouts under Paulson, whom made personally over $1 Billion off the homeowners losses in this country, and Obama continued them. All lies on where the money was to go and the amounts. It was over $27 Trillion. They kept repeating $700 billion but this number was incorrect.

Not to mention, we have over $5 trillion missing from the military now. Just plain missing.
 

hypocritexposer

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He is not an American Black. He is from Kenya. His real background is a mystery.

I his backgorund is a mystery, how can you say he is not an American Balck and from Kenya?

Is there any evidence that he is not a Natural Born Citizen?
 
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hypocritexposer said:
He is not an American Black. He is from Kenya. His real background is a mystery.

I his backgorund is a mystery, how can you say he is not an American Balck and from Kenya?

Is there any evidence that he is not a Natural Born Citizen?

There is more evidence, much more he was born in Kenya including his footprint. His grandmother says he was born there. And he has not produced a legit American birth certificate. If you have one, i would love to see it.

Either way, do you feel he is working for you? if so, how?
 

hypocritexposer

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shaumei said:
hypocritexposer said:
He is not an American Black. He is from Kenya. His real background is a mystery.

I his backgorund is a mystery, how can you say he is not an American Balck and from Kenya?

Is there any evidence that he is not a Natural Born Citizen?

There is more evidence, much more he was born in Kenya including his footprint. His grandmother says he was born there. And he has not produced a legit American birth certificate. If you have one, i would love to see it.

Either way, do you feel he is working for you? if so, how?

I asked for evidence that he is not a Natural Born citizen, not of proof that he was not born in the US.

what evidence do you have that he is not a Natural Born Citizen, as is a requirement of a President and CIC.
 
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Anonymous

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I have a birth certificate that has his footprint on it that shows he was born in Kenya. No other birth certificate has this on it to my knowledge. this is like a fingerprint and proves where he was born. He also went by Barry Soetoro and has never changed his name legally. He is an illegal alien as he never went thru immigration to become a citizen as he was not born here.

either way, what is he doing for you that makes you support this guy? he has stood over the theft by wall street of $27 trillion that you, me or none of our grand children will ever pay back. we will go bankrupt due to this. it is only a time issue but is unavoidable now. I am a former cpa and know this is correct.
 

hypocritexposer

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shaumei said:
I have a birth certificate that has his footprint on it that shows he was born in Kenya. No other birth certificate has this on it to my knowledge. this is like a fingerprint and proves where he was born. He also went by Barry Soetoro and has never changed his name legally. He is an illegal alien as he never went thru immigration to become a citizen as he was not born here.

either way, what is he doing for you that makes you support this guy? he has stood over the theft by wall street of $27 trillion that you, me or none of our grand children will ever pay back. we will go bankrupt due to this. it is only a time issue but is unavoidable now. I am a former cpa and know this is correct.

I'm not sure you are really up on the debate concerning his citizenship.

Let's assume that he was born in Hawaii. Because we really don't know for sure. We have seen a Hawaii COLB and a Kenya BC. Which if you are to believe in the authenticity of one, you should believe in the other.

But birthplace alone, does not a Natural Born Citizen make, as we learned with McCain.

So, what evidence do you have that he is a Natural Born Citizen?
 
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hypocritexposer said:
shaumei said:
I have a birth certificate that has his footprint on it that shows he was born in Kenya. No other birth certificate has this on it to my knowledge. this is like a fingerprint and proves where he was born. He also went by Barry Soetoro and has never changed his name legally. He is an illegal alien as he never went thru immigration to become a citizen as he was not born here.

either way, what is he doing for you that makes you support this guy? he has stood over the theft by wall street of $27 trillion that you, me or none of our grand children will ever pay back. we will go bankrupt due to this. it is only a time issue but is unavoidable now. I am a former cpa and know this is correct.

I'm not sure you are really up on the debate concerning his citizenship.

Let's assume that he was born in Hawaii. What evidence do you have that he is a Natural Born Citizen?

if he was born in hawaii, he would be a natural born citizen. unless you have some court ruling that I am unaware of, if he was born in Kenya, he would not be a natural born citizen.

i asked you more info above and you ignored it.
 

hypocritexposer

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shaumei said:
hypocritexposer said:
shaumei said:
I have a birth certificate that has his footprint on it that shows he was born in Kenya. No other birth certificate has this on it to my knowledge. this is like a fingerprint and proves where he was born. He also went by Barry Soetoro and has never changed his name legally. He is an illegal alien as he never went thru immigration to become a citizen as he was not born here.

either way, what is he doing for you that makes you support this guy? he has stood over the theft by wall street of $27 trillion that you, me or none of our grand children will ever pay back. we will go bankrupt due to this. it is only a time issue but is unavoidable now. I am a former cpa and know this is correct.

I'm not sure you are really up on the debate concerning his citizenship.

Let's assume that he was born in Hawaii. What evidence do you have that he is a Natural Born Citizen?

if he was born in hawaii, he would be a natural born citizen. unless you have some court ruling that I am unaware of, if he was born in Kenya, he would not be a natural born citizen.

i asked you more info above and you ignored it.


“every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))


What I'm looking for is, any evidence that the intent of the Natural Born citizen clause in the Constitution has ever been changed.

I haven't been able to find anyone yet, that has been able to provide any. All they ever offer is that he was born in Hawaii and that makes him a NBC. (and not by C-section, makng it a natural birth) Not good enough, in my opinion.

Do you have any evidence that he is a Natural Born Citizen?

Then they argue the 14th, which did not make someone an "anchor baby" until 1982.

So I'd like someone to convince me that obama is a NBC, which is a defined requirement of the Constitution.

If you can't debate the issue of Natural Born Citizenship, then I question your credentials as a true "conspiracy theorist"
 

hypocritexposer

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After rereading my last post to you shaumei, I realized that I was assuming that you were aware of the Natural Born Citizen (NBC) issue with obama's Presidency.

Sorry.

But you seem like the type of person that likes to educate themselves on issues such as this, and that you are looking for debate.

So if you want, I'll take the side of obama being a NBC and you can take the side of him not being. That way I can take another look at the other side of the argument and you can maybe learn about the issue.

What do you say?
 
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hypocritexposer said:
After rereading my last post to you shaumei, I realized that I was assuming that you were aware of the Natural Born Citizen (NBC) issue with obama's Presidency.

Sorry.

But you seem like the type of person that likes to educate themselves on issues such as this, and that you are looking for debate.

So if you want, I'll take the side of obama being a NBC and you can take the side of him not being. That way I can take another look at the other side of the argument and you can maybe learn about the issue.

What do you say?

ok...go for it...
 

Steve

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if he was born in Kenya,


Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

mother was from Kansas so no further argument...

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother: A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(c) INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.

the link...
http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

more info..
Stanley Ann Dunham was born (November 29, 1942) in St. Francis Hospital in Wichita, Kansas[6] as the only child of Madelyn Lee Payne and Stanley Armour Dunham.[7][8] Her parents were born in Kansas

Dunham met Lolo Soetoro, a student from Indonesia.[28] They married March 15, 1965 [29] and moved with six-year-old Barack to Jakarta, Indonesia,

at the age of 22.. she left the country...
 
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Anonymous

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So again I ask-- if all this "Birther" BS is true and to be anywhere believed- why didn' t anyone from GW Bush - to anyone in Congress- to GW's VP Cheney acting as President of the Senate not object.... :???:

You have to know with their powers of investigation- and the political partisanship now in the country- if there was even an iota of a question about it being true- someone would have objected if there was any leg to stand on (or else they all betrayed their oaths of office)...
And it did not happen- NONE in Congress brought up an objection- nor did GW or Cheney- nor their Attorney General.....

Another huge Birther/*********/Radical right conspiracy bunch of BS to stir the masses of the beerdrinking uninformed that live on every hate/anti government word their drug soaken spokesmen like Rush puts out... :( :(
 

Lonecowboy

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Oldtimer said:
So again I ask-- if all this "Birther" BS is true and to be anywhere believed- why didn' t anyone from GW Bush - to anyone in Congress- to GW's VP Cheney acting as President of the Senate not object.... :???:

You have to know with their powers of investigation- and the political partisanship now in the country- if there was even an iota of a question about it being true- someone would have objected if there was any leg to stand on (or else they all betrayed their oaths of office)...
And it did not happen- NONE in Congress brought up an objection- nor did GW or Cheney- nor their Attorney General.....

Another huge Birther/*********/Radical right conspiracy bunch of BS to stir the masses of the beerdrinking uninformed that live on every hate/anti government word their drug soaken spokesmen like Rush puts out... :( :(

ot- you are so delusional
what does the TEA ( taxed enough already) Party have to do with obama not showing his birth certificate? nothing!
Do you even know how the TEA party got started, without googling it?
You sure work awful hard at destroying the TEA parth for a self proclaimed Libertarian, why is that?
 

hopalong

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lone it is because if he does not have something to whine about and name call he picks his nose and causes it to bleed. look at his pictures his nose is always red :wink:
Has to be because of that and not because he spends all that time at the local watering hole buying people drinks to get them to talk to him :wink:

P.S. he loves the thought of "tea bagging" one of his fantasies, like rape and pillage :wink:

Now it is the beer drinkers he rants about, a kool aid drinker whining about a beer drinker? What a bunch of crap he spouts, not to forget the fact he moans about Rush and Rushes admitted drug addiction, he neglects to admit that he uses lots of drugs himself, of course they are prescription :wink: :wink: there fore :wink: :wink: ok! :D
 
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Lonecowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
So again I ask-- if all this "Birther" BS is true and to be anywhere believed- why didn' t anyone from GW Bush - to anyone in Congress- to GW's VP Cheney acting as President of the Senate not object.... :???:

You have to know with their powers of investigation- and the political partisanship now in the country- if there was even an iota of a question about it being true- someone would have objected if there was any leg to stand on (or else they all betrayed their oaths of office)...
And it did not happen- NONE in Congress brought up an objection- nor did GW or Cheney- nor their Attorney General.....

Another huge Birther/*********/Radical right conspiracy bunch of BS to stir the masses of the beerdrinking uninformed that live on every hate/anti government word their drug soaken spokesmen like Rush puts out... :( :(

ot- you are so delusional
what does the TEA ( taxed enough already) Party have to do with obama not showing his birth certificate? nothing!
Do you even know how the TEA party got started, without googling it?
You sure work awful hard at destroying the TEA parth for a self proclaimed Libertarian, why is that?

Because half of them are out there espouting the same KKK, neo Nazi, Aryan Nation, Freemen, Posse Comitatus, anti all taxs, support another American revolution (civil war, flying upside down flags), views against minorities (blacks, Mexicans, catholics, Jews, Mormans, homosexuals, etc., etc.) radical right (very dangerous bunch) that I've worked with/against for several years....

Look at Mike- and his pure racial KKK posting- and none of you have the gonads to dare to speak back to him- or his racial bias's and his southern KKK ideals :???: Tells me the Teabaggers are a pretty weak and pathetic bunck when they backslap such :(

And that is not what Libertarians support...Libertarians support an ideal where we don't care what your color or genetic background is, or your religion (however offbeat), or your bedroom preferences- or how you live your personal life (or death) as long as you take care of your own and don't think people should be stereotyped because of those reasons..

Montana didn't make it into the top 10 as "conservative" states because so many realize we need progress to move ahead- and they have never supported the "all white", "all say NO to every law" Republican ideal of the last few years-- and tbe reason you have folks like Schweitzer that has put Montana development and progress over partisan politics that have the highest poll ratings in the state....

If the Hopalong stalker/personal attack type folks you seem to keep backslapping are an ideal of your personal feelings- no wonder the TB movement is questioned :???: :( :(
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
So again I ask-- if all this "Birther" BS is true and to be anywhere believed- why didn' t anyone from GW Bush - to anyone in Congress- to GW's VP Cheney acting as President of the Senate not object.... :???:

You have to know with their powers of investigation- and the political partisanship now in the country- if there was even an iota of a question about it being true- someone would have objected if there was any leg to stand on (or else they all betrayed their oaths of office)...
And it did not happen- NONE in Congress brought up an objection- nor did GW or Cheney- nor their Attorney General.....

Another huge Birther/*********/Radical right conspiracy bunch of BS to stir the masses of the beerdrinking uninformed that live on every hate/anti government word their drug soaken spokesmen like Rush puts out... :( :(

You bring up the non-actions of GW Bush, Cheney, their Attorney General, and the Congress as some sort of proof that the 'birther' movement had no merit. If I'm not mistaken, the federal government has little to do with the election laws of each state. That's to say, I think it's up to the individual states to decide if a candidate for federal office is qualified or not.

I think the Congress probably has some jurisdiction to step into the process in some instances, but are you really suggesting a donk controlled congress was going to step in and put a stop to a donk candidate in a presidential election year?

If I'm correct, you've presented YET ANOTHER strawman argument.

I'll give you this, at least in my view, you're consistent.
 
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