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Powell On Waterboarding

Mike

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"But over time, now that we look at it, it's easy now in the cold light of day to look back and say, you shouldn't have done any of that. But as Mr. Cheney has said very, very often, as has President Bush and all of us, if we had another attack like 9/11, say on 9/11 a year later, nobody would have forgiven us for not doing everything we could."
 
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Anonymous

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The whole matter wouldn't have been such an issue if it wasn't for all the lies, falsehoods, and mistruths....

Remember Bush saying: " the US administration does not condone torture."

In 2009, Fuller testified against Omar Khadr, recounting that he had traveled to Bagram Airbase on October 7, 2002 and showed the Canadian teenager a black-and-white photograph of Maher Arar, a Canadian who had been detained at a New York airport following a family vacation, and demanded to know if he recognised him. Khadr initially stated that he did not recognise Arar, but when further pressured by Fuller, confessed he had seen him at a Kabul safehouse run by Abu Musab al-Suri or Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The youth's confession led to Arar's extraordinary rendition to Syria the following day, where he was tortured extensively for nearly a year before being returned to Canada, and suing both the Canadian and American governments. Fuller's testimony stirred controversy, since a Royal Commission studied the case and cleared Arar of all the American allegations.
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
Read Powell's statement again. Maybe you didn't read it correctly the first time. :lol:

Oh I read it- and I read Bush's....Grabbing someone off the street with no court order- flying them to Syria- where they are tortured for over a year- and that is not condoning torture... :???:

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As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.

Our founding fathers faced with perils that we can scarcely imagine, drafted a charter to assure the rule of law and the rights of man, a charter expanded by the blood of generations.

Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience's sake.
 

hypocritexposer

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Is that all it takes to condone torture, so what has changed? Looks like it is happening more often at present.

Like I've said before OT, you can not CHANGE the past, only the future. If you disagree with the past policy, you better speak up soon, they are being entrenched.

NEW YORK TIMES NEWS SERVICE

2:00 a.m. May 24, 2009

What's happening: The United States has shifted much of the burden to foreign intelligence services.

WASHINGTON – The United States is now relying heavily on foreign intelligence services to capture, interrogate and detain all but the highest-level terrorist suspects seized outside the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, according to current and former U.S. government officials.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/may/24/1n24terror23415-us-relying-more-aid-allies-terror-/?uniontrib
 
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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
Is that all it takes to condone torture, so what has changed? Looks like it is happening more often at present.

Like I've said before OT, you can not CHANGE the past, only the future. If you disagree with the past policy, you better speak up soon, they are being entrenched.

NEW YORK TIMES NEWS SERVICE

2:00 a.m. May 24, 2009

What's happening: The United States has shifted much of the burden to foreign intelligence services.

WASHINGTON – The United States is now relying heavily on foreign intelligence services to capture, interrogate and detain all but the highest-level terrorist suspects seized outside the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, according to current and former U.S. government officials.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/may/24/1n24terror23415-us-relying-more-aid-allies-terror-/?uniontrib

As a safeguard against torture, Panetta said, the United States would rely on diplomatic assurances of good treatment.


Did you not see the article where Obama is asking for Legislative/Judicial oversight- so no one man is ever Judge/Jury/and Executioner again... :???:
 
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