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Precursors to the 2008 election? What happened to loyalty?

HAY MAKER

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August 11, 2006
Precursors to the 2008 election? What happened to loyalty?

This past week should be a wake-up call for every member of the House and that one-third of the Senate up for reelection. We watched primaries in Connecticut, Michigan and Georgia where the incumbent was sent packing, and while both national parties are wildly spinning the results, it's plain to see that America is pretty fed up with Congress overall.

While national media paid closest attention to the defeat of Sen. Joe Lieberman (D, CT) in his primary run against anti-war candidate Ned Lamont, the defeats of Rep. Joe Schwartz (R, MI) and Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D, GA) give credence to the notion that voter
frustration isn't directed exclusively against Republicans as the party in power, but at incumbents overall. "Throw the rascals out" is emerging as the election rallying cry.
Keep in mind that in the recent Pennsylvania primary, the voters KO'd just about the entire state legislature leadership, again out of frustration with either a do-nothing reputation or an unwillingness to do what the voters want, rather than what the self-serving individual elected official wants.

In most polls I've seen that testify to the overall frustration with the most partisan, ineffective and unproductive Congress in recent memory, most folks tend to hold their own elected representatives outside that definition. But I think this week's primary results show that voters have reached the point where they're willing to vote change for the sake of change.

I find the most appalling example of ham-handed, narrow-minded and petty politics to be the Connecticut primary. Say what you will about Joe Lieberman's politics, the man is and has been one of the few class acts in the Senate for the last 18 years. He has been a strong advocate for Connecticut, generally voted with his Democrat brethren, was one of the national standard-bearers in the last election, but also had the strength of conviction to back the President on the war in the Mideast and the war on terror.

That's why the wholesale abandonment of Lieberman by his party's leadership is just so wrong, and so symptomatic of the greater problem: It's become the Party that's most important -- be you Democrat or Republican -- not the voter or even the institution of government. To cast aside the man who stood as the Democrat vice presidential candidate over a single issue in lieu of demonstrating strict party loyalty shows just how narrow the thinking of modern politicians has become.

I'm excited Lieberman is running as an independent. If he wins, it will send a strong message to both parties that to forgo humanity and loyalty in the race for political power will cost dearly. If he wins, perhaps it will inspire other well-meaning politicians to think about doing likewise, abandoning their myopic and perhaps outdated parties in favor of independent thinking and action.

Perhaps it is time to throw the rascals out.
 
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HAY MAKER said:
Perhaps it is time to throw the rascals out.

I heard Dick Morris doing analysis on FOX news last weekend- said about the same thing about voters being sick of the incumbants...Made predictions on several incumbants taking a fall...

I thought it was interesting when the announcer brought up my local rascal- Senator Conrad Burns..If I remember his comment right " He's toast"...

Which apparently the Republican party feels could come true because millions are being funneled into the state - yesterday if you went to Whitefish (another millionaires resort town) and donated $5000 to Burns campaign you could get your picture taken with Dick Cheney and go flyfishing with Conrad :roll: Next week its supposed to be some Tennessee Republican coming to raise money- then after that its Jack Kemp...

Kind of wish they'd all stay home- most of them haven't fixed their states- we don't need them telling us how to fix our own...Altho the PR firms and media outlets are making big money off this campaign... I guess its all more green coming into the state.....
 

HAY MAKER

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I believe a good house cleaning is in order,I have never cared much for career politicians,that subscribe to the theory,"party first people second"
But ole Joe Liberman wont be one of them ,he is already leading Lamont in all the polls.................good luck
 

Brad S

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With Burns, you gotta like him more than Schumer and Kennedy controlling the Senate. Ben Nelson is a hell of alot more Republican than most Republicans, but how he votes on leadership issues is a fair criteria to consider.
 
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Brad S said:
With Burns, you gotta like him more than Schumer and Kennedy controlling the Senate. Ben Nelson is a hell of alot more Republican than most Republicans, but how he votes on leadership issues is a fair criteria to consider.

Brad- after I read the Defense Departments reports and the entire US attorneys investigation and report on the sellout to a communist country Burns and Delay did (lobbyied by Abramoff) on the US Mariana's Islands- I think I'd have to vote for Howdy Doody first....

I might be able to overlook the Indian schools lobbying scandal, and the tribal gambling lobbying since politicians, graft, and the reservations and the Interior Department have been synonymous for years-- but what they did in an American territory with a communist country to allow them to set up slave labor sweat shops, so they could produce Chinese products with a "legitimate" Made in USA label is sickening...The fact they pushed to allow a communist country to set up their own quasi-government on US territory, which allowed forced abortions and child labor and the amount of security they allowed to be jeopardized with our military in that area when we are in the middle of a war (all for a few lobbyists campaign contributions) borders on treason.... Kennedy or Schumer could not even do worse....
 

Faster horses

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Why isn't that stuff made public, OT.
You need to send that to Taylor Brown...since he is circulating some other
stuff about Conrad, more positive stuff.

I'm so confused...don't know what to think anymore.
And I'm embarrassed we asked Israel to take part in a cease-fire.
Michael Reagen said last night that Condi Rice isn't effective.
Hezbolah has already broken the treaty and nothing is being done
about it. We look like a bunch of fools. And Hezoblah, Syria and
Iran have another feather in their headdress.
 
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Faster horses said:
Why isn't that stuff made public, OT.
You need to send that to Taylor Brown...since he is circulating some other
stuff about Conrad, more positive stuff.

I'll see if I can find the link to the US attorneys report again- Long long read-- I think I posted it somewhere on here- but where?

As for the Defense Departments issues - some of them are just coming out in leaks...Sounds like they are still investigating and trying to find out the damage that was done- mostly regarding communications codes and frequencies that the Chinese were able to get by being allowed to set up listening posts (disquised as part of the textile factory) right next to a Navy Station :???: ...

Personally- I think we've just seen the tip of the iceberg on the Abramoff- Delay- Burns connections....Like I said before I wish Conrad would have stepped aside and faded into history and let Rehberg run.... I think the alternative will be Montana will have a Democrat Senator or a Senator indicted while in office....
 
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Faster horses said:
I'm so confused...don't know what to think anymore.
And I'm embarrassed we asked Israel to take part in a cease-fire.
Michael Reagen said last night that Condi Rice isn't effective.
Hezbolah has already broken the treaty and nothing is being done
about it. We look like a bunch of fools. And Hezoblah, Syria and
Iran have another feather in their headdress.

Yeah- Our entire handling of this Israeli thing has left much to wonder...I'm not impressed. Shades of how Clinton handled Beirut and Somalia- which made me want to puke....

5 more days til Aug 22nd when the Iranian nutcase in charge is supposed to give an answer on the Iran nuclear weapons....Whatever form that takes- about now he should be feeling like they can conquer the world just by issuing a theat :???: :cry: ....
 

Steve

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frustration with either a do-nothing reputation or an unwillingness to do what the voters want, rather than what the self-serving individual elected official wants.

well, that about sums it up. ....
 

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