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Presence of Fever Ticks in Texas

Maple Leaf Angus

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So should Texas be prohibited from shipping cattle to any other states under this same principle? How is this rule different than the Blue Tongue rule?

http://www.farmersoptions.com/index.cfm?show=4&id=16898
 
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Anonymous

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Maple Leaf Angus said:
So should Texas be prohibited from shipping cattle to any other states under this same principle? How is this rule different than the Blue Tongue rule?

http://www.farmersoptions.com/index.cfm?show=4&id=16898

Many states already have import and quarantine rules against cattle from either Mexico or Texas...

What makes this similar, but still different to the Canadian Anaplas/Blue Tongue rule is that Canada grouped ALL US cattle in one group-- and said "ALL US cattle are diseased" (no matter if they ran a fence apart from Canadian cattle)- even after the industry and government had spent millions in studies that showed they should drop the ban on cattle from 40 states and accept the same US health inspection required for interstate transport...

If scuttlebutt is getting to me right- your government is going to soon correct this travesty in hopes of gaining support for the OTM reopening...
 

Murgen

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A) is designated by the Minister as a free, low-incidence or medium-incidence state for bluetongue as defined in the Health of Animals Regulations (Import Reference Document), [Ineligible states include: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, South Carolina and Texas.]

How is this calling all deseased?

What makes this similar, but still different to the Canadian Anaplas/Blue Tongue rule is that Canada grouped ALL US cattle in one group-- and said "ALL US cattle are diseased"
 
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Anonymous

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Murgen said:
A) is designated by the Minister as a free, low-incidence or medium-incidence state for bluetongue as defined in the Health of Animals Regulations (Import Reference Document), [Ineligible states include: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, South Carolina and Texas.]

How is this calling all deseased?

Murgen even those running in free areas were required to be tested, quarantined and/or meet your date guidelines- even after all scientific studies said they were wrong....

Canadians don't like to remember back when they didn't believe in science or when they said there was a Canadian herd and a US herd...Then when their tit was in a wringer it became do everything by "sound science" and its a "North American herd" :lol: :lol: HYPOCRITES
If Canada is truly dropping it like I hear, it will show it for what it was- a trade barrier....


What makes this similar, but still different to the Canadian Anaplas/Blue Tongue rule is that Canada grouped ALL US cattle in one group-- and said "ALL US cattle are diseased"

Its similar in that its to block out disease and to protect the domestic herd- its different in that it is and is looking at differentiating the actual disease areas of Mexico and Texas, not like Canadas lumping "ALL" US cattle in to one bunch.....
 

Manitoba_Rancher

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OT- I think youve had to much sun..... :wink: Are you getting these hot temps down there too? Its around 90 here today with a wind just turning the land around here into the Texas desert.... :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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Manitoba_Rancher said:
OT- I think youve had to much sun..... :wink: Are you getting these hot temps down there too? Its around 90 here today with a wind just turning the land around here into the Texas desert.... :roll:

Got to 87 today with a little southeast breeze-- still got water running on hayfields-- hoping for some more thunder showers to roll thru tonite.....
 

Bill

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Oldtimer said:
Maple Leaf Angus said:
So should Texas be prohibited from shipping cattle to any other states under this same principle? How is this rule different than the Blue Tongue rule?

http://www.farmersoptions.com/index.cfm?show=4&id=16898

Many states already have import and quarantine rules against cattle from either Mexico or Texas...

What makes this similar, but still different to the Canadian Anaplas/Blue Tongue rule is that Canada grouped ALL US cattle in one group-- and said "ALL US cattle are diseased" (no matter if they ran a fence apart from Canadian cattle)- even after the industry and government had spent millions in studies that showed they should drop the ban on cattle from 40 states and accept the same US health inspection required for interstate transport...

If scuttlebutt is getting to me right- your government is going to soon correct this travesty in hopes of gaining support for the OTM reopening...
Full of crap once again Oldtimer. Your lies are getting so continual on this it seems you even believe them.

From CFIA:

Background

Restrictions associated with bluetongue and anaplasmosis for ruminant animals imported from the US have been in place for several decades. As the scientific communities’ knowledge has grown, the risks associated with these diseases have been reassessed a number of times and changes to the import policy have been made following consultation with stakeholders across Canada. For example, restrictions for feeder cattle have been reassessed and eased on a number of occasions. Beginning in 1995, feeder cattle were able to be imported under the North West Pilot Project without testing during the winter months from a handful of states determined by the CFIA to be either free or to have a low incidence of bluetongue. In 2003 the CFIA concluded that a vector capable of transmitting bluetongue does not exit in eastern Canada from Ontario to the Atlantic Provinces. As a result, all classes of cattle are now eligible for importation from any state in the US at any time of the year without bluetongue related restrictions into this region of Canada. Based on preliminary findings from a three year study in southern Alberta from 2002 to 2004, which indicated that the capacity of midges found in this area to transmit bluetongue was poor, feeder cattle restrictions have been further eased. Under the year round restricted feeder program, cattle can be imported into all of Canada, except for the Okanagan Valley, from an expanded list of states (now 39) at any time of the year without testing for either bluetongue or anaplasmosis. They are, however, subject to certain conditions which require that the feedlot be approved by the CFIA and that it establish a vector control and sentinel animal program.

DOESN"T LOOK TO ME LIKE THAT IS "LUMPING ALL US CATTLE IN ONE BUNCH".
 

Mike

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From CFIA:

Quote:
Background

Restrictions associated with bluetongue and anaplasmosis for ruminant animals imported from the US have been in place for several decades. As the scientific communities’ knowledge has grown, the risks associated with these diseases have been reassessed a number of times and changes to the import policy have been made following consultation with stakeholders across Canada. For example, restrictions for feeder cattle have been reassessed and eased on a number of occasions. Beginning in 1995, feeder cattle were able to be imported under the North West Pilot Project without testing during the winter months from a handful of states determined by the CFIA to be either free or to have a low incidence of bluetongue. In 2003 the CFIA concluded that a vector capable of transmitting bluetongue does not exit in eastern Canada from Ontario to the Atlantic Provinces. As a result, all classes of cattle are now eligible for importation from any state in the US at any time of the year without bluetongue related restrictions into this region of Canada. Based on preliminary findings from a three year study in southern Alberta from 2002 to 2004, which indicated that the capacity of midges found in this area to transmit bluetongue was poor, feeder cattle restrictions have been further eased. Under the year round restricted feeder program, cattle can be imported into all of Canada, except for the Okanagan Valley, from an expanded list of states (now 39) at any time of the year without testing for either bluetongue or anaplasmosis. They are, however, subject to certain conditions which require that the feedlot be approved by the CFIA and that it establish a vector control and sentinel animal program.


DOESN"T LOOK TO ME LIKE THAT IS "LUMPING ALL US CATTLE IN ONE BUNCH".


Bill, I had a big "Go-Round" with the CFIA last year about shipping semen
to Canada. The Blue Tongue rules are ridiculous. It's a long story, but I would be willing to share it with you if you are interested.
 
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Anonymous

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Bill for 10+ years Canada didn't seem to care what science said- "ALL US cattle were diseased"- with some type of restriction....Than MIRACULOUSLY a year ago (when they were buttkissing to get the border open) they discover that science says these cattle present no risk (what USDA and US ranchers had said for years) and drop a major portion of the restrictions.... Sound science, my rear, TRADE BARRIER all the way...

Why now if feeder cattle are safe from these 39 states are bulls and breeding heifers not safe? More TRADE BARRIER.....

Canadians just don't want to admit it to themselves - It was Canada that decided there was a CANADIAN HERD and a US HERD....

North American Herd :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Bill

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Oldtimer said:
Bill for 10+ years Canada didn't seem to care what science said- "ALL US cattle were diseased"- with some type of restriction....Than MIRACULOUSLY a year ago (when they were buttkissing to get the border open) they discover that science says these cattle present no risk (what USDA and US ranchers had said for years) and drop a major portion of the restrictions.... Sound science, my rear, TRADE BARRIER all the way...

Why now if feeder cattle are safe from these 39 states are bulls and breeding heifers not safe? More TRADE BARRIER.....

Canadians just don't want to admit it to themselves - It was Canada that decided there was a CANADIAN HERD and a US HERD....

North American Herd :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:
We have learned some very valuable lessons in this game of Poker with the US. You have taught us well. Rules will change both ways and on both issues as the "science" warrants. :lol: :lol: :lol:

US breeding cattle aren't safe because you say ours aren't because of BSE.
 

Bill

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Mike said:
From CFIA:

Quote:
Background

Restrictions associated with bluetongue and anaplasmosis for ruminant animals imported from the US have been in place for several decades. As the scientific communities’ knowledge has grown, the risks associated with these diseases have been reassessed a number of times and changes to the import policy have been made following consultation with stakeholders across Canada. For example, restrictions for feeder cattle have been reassessed and eased on a number of occasions. Beginning in 1995, feeder cattle were able to be imported under the North West Pilot Project without testing during the winter months from a handful of states determined by the CFIA to be either free or to have a low incidence of bluetongue. In 2003 the CFIA concluded that a vector capable of transmitting bluetongue does not exit in eastern Canada from Ontario to the Atlantic Provinces. As a result, all classes of cattle are now eligible for importation from any state in the US at any time of the year without bluetongue related restrictions into this region of Canada. Based on preliminary findings from a three year study in southern Alberta from 2002 to 2004, which indicated that the capacity of midges found in this area to transmit bluetongue was poor, feeder cattle restrictions have been further eased. Under the year round restricted feeder program, cattle can be imported into all of Canada, except for the Okanagan Valley, from an expanded list of states (now 39) at any time of the year without testing for either bluetongue or anaplasmosis. They are, however, subject to certain conditions which require that the feedlot be approved by the CFIA and that it establish a vector control and sentinel animal program.


DOESN"T LOOK TO ME LIKE THAT IS "LUMPING ALL US CATTLE IN ONE BUNCH".


Bill, I had a big "Go-Round" with the CFIA last year about shipping semen
to Canada. The Blue Tongue rules are ridiculous. It's a long story, but I would be willing to share it with you if you are interested.

I am interested. Send me a PM.
 
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Anonymous

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Bill said:
Oldtimer said:
Bill for 10+ years Canada didn't seem to care what science said- "ALL US cattle were diseased"- with some type of restriction....Than MIRACULOUSLY a year ago (when they were buttkissing to get the border open) they discover that science says these cattle present no risk (what USDA and US ranchers had said for years) and drop a major portion of the restrictions.... Sound science, my rear, TRADE BARRIER all the way...

Why now if feeder cattle are safe from these 39 states are bulls and breeding heifers not safe? More TRADE BARRIER.....

Canadians just don't want to admit it to themselves - It was Canada that decided there was a CANADIAN HERD and a US HERD....

North American Herd :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:
We have learned some very valuable lessons in this game of Poker with the US. You have taught us well. Rules will change both ways and on both issues as the "science" warrants. :lol: :lol: :lol:

US breeding cattle aren't safe because you say ours aren't because of BSE.

Wonders will never cease- Bill I totally agree with you :lol: :lol: .....Lot of politics being played on both sides...And a lot depends on who can make what off what rule change...It was a deal like that that got NCBA to do their infamous M-COOL flipflop...

Scuttlebutt says Canada will drop the seedstock rule too and allow anything north to get the US to open the border to OTM's....USDA is going to propose it - and it will be interesting to see what they propose... Packers want it opened up- But there is still a great deal of opposition to dropping the OTM rule- not only those that have the health and safety issue, but their are some banks and ranchers that have a lot invested in just purchased $1500 cows that would become worth about 1/2 price if the border opened to seedstock too.....

That is what makes me think you won't see any blanket opening- maybe they will try again to get old killer cows and beef across...And it won't happen this year (election year) or Congress will again kill it...I know any way I will oppose it until FDA closes our feedban loopholes and USDA implements the M-COOL law.....
 

Bill

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Oldtimer said:
Bill said:
Oldtimer said:
Bill for 10+ years Canada didn't seem to care what science said- "ALL US cattle were diseased"- with some type of restriction....Than MIRACULOUSLY a year ago (when they were buttkissing to get the border open) they discover that science says these cattle present no risk (what USDA and US ranchers had said for years) and drop a major portion of the restrictions.... Sound science, my rear, TRADE BARRIER all the way...

Why now if feeder cattle are safe from these 39 states are bulls and breeding heifers not safe? More TRADE BARRIER.....

Canadians just don't want to admit it to themselves - It was Canada that decided there was a CANADIAN HERD and a US HERD....

North American Herd :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:
We have learned some very valuable lessons in this game of Poker with the US. You have taught us well. Rules will change both ways and on both issues as the "science" warrants. :lol: :lol: :lol:

US breeding cattle aren't safe because you say ours aren't because of BSE.

Wonders will never cease- Bill I totally agree with you :lol: :lol: .....Lot of politics being played on both sides...And a lot depends on who can make what off what rule change...It was a deal like that that got NCBA to do their infamous M-COOL flipflop...

Scuttlebutt says Canada will drop the seedstock rule too and allow anything north to get the US to open the border to OTM's....USDA is going to propose it - and it will be interesting to see what they propose... Packers want it opened up- But there is still a great deal of opposition to dropping the OTM rule- not only those that have the health and safety issue, but their are some banks and ranchers that have a lot invested in just purchased $1500 cows that would become worth about 1/2 price if the border opened to seedstock too.....

That is what makes me think you won't see any blanket opening- maybe they will try again to get old killer cows and beef across...And it won't happen this year (election year) or Congress will again kill it...I know any way I will oppose it until FDA closes our feedban loopholes and USDA implements the M-COOL law.....
:lol: :lol: :lol: Maybe it islending for those high priced cows that has Sandhukser concerned?

Ana/bluetongue will be tied to OTM in any agreement reached. A wire fence splitting 2 American and Canadian herds is not much of a disease corridor as cattle are slipping back and forth all the time. One thing R-Calf has taught USDA is that any new border opening proposal had better be bullet proof and that is the reason for delay. I expect the howling to resume this fall with some type of movement in the first half of '07.
 
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