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Presidential Candidate Comparisons

Soapweed

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Subject: Presidential Candidate Comparisons





2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS

ISSUE:
JOHN McCAIN
BARAK OBAMA

Favors new drilling offshore US
Yes
No

Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it
Yes
No


Served in the US Armed Forces
Yes
No

Amount of time served in the US Senate
22 YEARS
173 DAYS

Will institute a socialized national health care plan
No
Yes

Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy
No
Yes

Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
No
Yes

Supports gun ownership rights
Yes
No

Supports homosexual marriage
No
Yes

Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase
No
Yes

Voted against making English the official language
No
Yes

Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals
No
Yes

CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN
15% (no change)

OBAMA
39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')

INCOME TAX

MCCAIN

(no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!

INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN
- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA
Restore the inheritance tax

Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA

New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!








You can verify the above at the following web sites:


http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/election/2008/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.taxes.html

http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes

http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/politics/articles/mccain_obama_offer_different_visions_on_taxes.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/barack_obama/

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/john_mccain/
 

leanin' H

Well-known member
Now that's what i'd call Change! He'll change America from a superpower with self-sufficient, hard-working, god-fearing people into a wimpy, quitter attitude, hand-out bunch of Democrats! There's your change!
 

Big Swede

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I always thought that rural Americans were conservative by nature because of the way we were raised and the way we sometimes need to fend for ourselves and be self sufficient. How in the world could a person who lives in the heartland vote for the most liberal Senator in the Senate. Hope and change? Please!!

I know some Democrats that are as conservative as the day is long but since they were raised in a Democrat household then that is the way they vote. Unbelieveable but true.
 

Soapweed

Well-known member
Big Swede said:
I always thought that rural Americans were conservative by nature because of the way we were raised and the way we sometimes need to fend for ourselves and be self sufficient. How in the world could a person who lives in the heartland vote for the most liberal Senator in the Senate. Hope and change? Please!!

I know some Democrats that are as conservative as the day is long but since they were raised in a Democrat household then that is the way they vote. Unbelieveable but true.

I know a good cowboy-type ex-Sheriff ex-conservative that has turned into a wimpy dumbed-down Democrat. Unbelievabley sad but true. :(
 

RobertMac

Well-known member
Soapweed said:
Big Swede said:
I always thought that rural Americans were conservative by nature because of the way we were raised and the way we sometimes need to fend for ourselves and be self sufficient. How in the world could a person who lives in the heartland vote for the most liberal Senator in the Senate. Hope and change? Please!!

I know some Democrats that are as conservative as the day is long but since they were raised in a Democrat household then that is the way they vote. Unbelieveable but true.

I know a good cowboy-type ex-Sheriff ex-conservative that has turned into a wimpy dumbed-down Democrat. Unbelievabley sad but true. :(
:agree:

Big Swede, you should live down here...still much the same way for local elections, but Reagan changed things for national elections. Hang in there, I see a conservative candidate on the horizon! :wink: :D
 

Big Swede

Well-known member
Senator Tim Johnson is expected to win this fall even though he can barely talk after his brain hemorage. And they give George Bush a hard time for not being a good speaker, give me a break.
 

Triangle Bar

Well-known member
Just a reminder to all, that beginning in 2010, the Bush tax cuts will end. Congress never made them permanent. So we are heading for a tax increases unless they are made permanent. McCain wants to make them permanent but if elected he'll need a congress that will pass the legislation.
 

Steve

Well-known member
Just another reminder to all, if you think McCain is old.. take a look at the Supreme Court

Would you want Obama to nominate a liberal justice.. ?
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Steve said:
Just another reminder to all, if you think McCain is old.. take a look at the Supreme Court

Would you want Obama to nominate a liberal justice.. ?

In modern times (past 50 years)- some of the most Liberal- and especially the worst at legislating from the bench- were appointed by Republican Presidents...Best example is Chief Justice Warren and the Warren court....

Currently the present Supreme Court- many of which several on the this board have criticized and ranted against their recent decisions- is made up of 7 Republican appointees and 2 Clinton appointees...

To me they (President and Congress) need to get back to the most important factor in appointing Justices - and that is an understanding of the rule of law- and the Constitution- and the Founding Fathers belief in strong States rights-- and not whether they were once a Repub or Dem- or issued a liberal or conservative ruling once in their life....
 

mjdtexan

Member
Soapweed said:
Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
No
Yes

To be fair ( I am a Conservative mind you) Obama has flip flopped on this. I do think he would pull them out pretty darn fast though.

I do like and appreciate the fact that you backed your statements up with actual references. More of that is needed on both sides.

Oldtimer said:
To me they (President and Congress) need to get back to the most important factor in appointing Justices - and that is an understanding of the rule of law- and the Constitution- and the Founding Fathers belief in strong States rights-- and not whether they were once a Repub or Dem- or issued a liberal or conservative ruling once in their life....

True that
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Big Swede said:
I know some Democrats that are as conservative as the day is long but since they were raised in a Democrat household then that is the way they vote. Unbelieveable but true.

My parents are this way, they first voted for JFK and been democrats their whole lives, but in reality they are about as Conservative as they come. They do not follow politics much, but have voted for more Republican Presidents than Democrats in past. If they truly knew what the Democratic party stood for they would switch in a heart beat, either going Republican or Independent.
 

TSR

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
Big Swede said:
I know some Democrats that are as conservative as the day is long but since they were raised in a Democrat household then that is the way they vote. Unbelieveable but true.

My parents are this way, they first voted for JFK and been democrats their whole lives, but in reality they are about as Conservative as they come. They do not follow politics much, but have voted for more Republican Presidents than Democrats in past. If they truly knew what the Democratic party stood for they would switch in a heart beat, either going Republican or Independent.

Many people vote strictly for the party. Republicans are just as guilty. :wink: :lol:
 

TSR

Well-known member
mjdtexan said:
Soapweed said:
Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
No
Yes

To be fair ( I am a Conservative mind you) Obama has flip flopped on this. I do think he would pull them out pretty darn fast though.

I do like and appreciate the fact that you backed your statements up with actual references. More of that is needed on both sides.

Oldtimer said:
To me they (President and Congress) need to get back to the most important factor in appointing Justices - and that is an understanding of the rule of law- and the Constitution- and the Founding Fathers belief in strong States rights-- and not whether they were once a Repub or Dem- or issued a liberal or conservative ruling once in their life....

True that

Well Mjd if you call yourself a conservative you're at the right site. :lol: But I do see you are objective. Yes I agree imo Obama would pull them out pretty fast to make the Iraqis assume more responsibility. Assuming more responsibility-what's wrong with that?? What I heard him say on TV was he would pull some out to come home and others would be left within striking distance to help the Iraqi army, basically.
And there are other fallacies in the original posting such as the one about people losing their homes/businesses due to the inheritance tax. We have hashed that over here numerous times. But unless you are in the top (something like 1% of income) you'll never have to worry about the inheritance tax. A good financial planner can help almost anyone avoid that tax. But Man O Man what a political slogan-Get rid of the inheritance tax. But be sure and remember the loss of any tax revenue will surely be made up for by someone. Care to guess who?? But as I said its been argued here in the past, go to the archives if you are interested.
 

nonothing

Well-known member
Soapweed you for got a few here

Lost to Gw on first attempt to be pres.
yes
no

nedded to hire an unknown VP just to have a chance to win
yes
no

Is a power hungry septuagenarian.
yes
no

Soapweed you talk about Obama's taxes.....but yet you never say how McCain expects to pay for the mess left behind from GW's years.Some how I think it will be through taxes of some sort...only a fool would believe otherwise..
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Soapweed you for got a few here

Lost to Gw on first attempt to be pres.
yes
no

nedded to hire an unknown VP just to have a chance to win
yes
no

Is a power hungry septuagenarian.
yes
no

Soapweed you talk about Obama's taxes.....but yet you never say how McCain expects to pay for the mess left behind from GW's years.Some how I think it will be through taxes of some sort...only a fool would believe otherwise..

So you can vote for a conservative, to clean up your Countries Liberal mistakes but we are suppose to vote Liberal?

Obama has to pay for the same mess that ALL previous Presidents left him, not just Bush! But he also has to pay for all the new programs he wants to add! Surely you know the dangers of such things, look at the fiscal trouble your own Country is having in dealing with those Liberal Social programs! Now you want to wish this upon us? I guess misery truly does love company!
 

nonothing

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
Soapweed you for got a few here

Lost to Gw on first attempt to be pres.
yes
no

nedded to hire an unknown VP just to have a chance to win
yes
no

Is a power hungry septuagenarian.
yes
no

Soapweed you talk about Obama's taxes.....but yet you never say how McCain expects to pay for the mess left behind from GW's years.Some how I think it will be through taxes of some sort...only a fool would believe otherwise..

So you can vote for a conservative, to clean up your Countries Liberal mistakes but we are suppose to vote Liberal?

Obama has to pay for the same mess that ALL previous Presidents left him, not just Bush! But he also has to pay for all the new programs he wants to add! Surely you know the dangers of such things, look at the fiscal trouble your own Country is having in dealing with those Liberal Social programs! Now you want to wish this upon us? I guess misery truly does love company!

You never answerd the Question again you just blame Obama or the liberals for the mess your in .... My country fiscal trouble is due to it being the same size as your country in Area but having less people living it in then the entire stae of California......Your country should be thriving on limited taxes but its not...you spent trillions on rebuilding another country....That is a mistake my countries leaders could never afford to make.....Just maintaing our countries roads and Highways is a huge cost burden.A cost problem yours probably never concerns itself with...
 

leanin' H

Well-known member
How many bills had Bush Passed? ZERO! Congress passes the spending and they are LIBERAL DEMOCRATS! If they didnt send so much pork and spending to Bush's desk, he couldnt sign them into law! Sure he is to blame, but so are ALL members of Congress. So when McCain says no pork, he means it unless the Dems veto proof their bills! Obama will be a rubber stamp. Look at how much pork he has sent to Illinois as a Senator. Obama will spend more, raise taxes more, surrender more, screw up health care more, change the courts with liberal judges more, weaken the 2nd amendment more, ect. ect. ect!!!!! McCain will not be perfect by a long shot but I believe he'll represent my veiws and protect my family and stand closer to my morals than Mr. Obama ever would. As a rancher, as a father, as a neighbor, as an American I cannot just put my trust into a city-organizer, liberal(Even more liberal than Kennedy and Clinton), underqualified, overhyped senator from a big city. What would we even remotely have in common? McCain will tick me off a few times i'm sure! But he'll get my vote.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
leanin' H said:
How many bills had Bush Passed? ZERO! Congress passes the spending and they are LIBERAL DEMOCRATS! If they didnt send so much pork and spending to Bush's desk, he couldnt sign them into law! Sure he is to blame, but so are ALL members of Congress. So when McCain says no pork, he means it unless the Dems veto proof their bills! Obama will be a rubber stamp. Look at how much pork he has sent to Illinois as a Senator. Obama will spend more, raise taxes more, surrender more, screw up health care more, change the courts with liberal judges more, weaken the 2nd amendment more, ect. ect. ect!!!!! McCain will not be perfect by a long shot but I believe he'll represent my veiws and protect my family and stand closer to my morals than Mr. Obama ever would. As a rancher, as a father, as a neighbor, as an American I cannot just put my trust into a city-organizer, liberal(Even more liberal than Kennedy and Clinton), underqualified, overhyped senator from a big city. What would we even remotely have in common? McCain will tick me off a few times i'm sure! But he'll get my vote.

For 12 years- 6 of those during the Bush Regime- Republicans controlled Congress...During those times that Ted Stevens was trying to build Bridges to Nowhere- and Jack Abramoff was putting tons of cash into Congressional pockets to support every pork project around...Along with the fastest growth in our national debt and largest growth in our big government bureaucracy- with the Republican Congress becoming a rubberstamp for anything Bush wanted- and he giving them any pork they wanted....

McSame may have never brought much pork home to his homestate- but he sold it to the highest bidding Lobbyist around- many times which accounted for his flipflops or supposed "maverick" stances....Just check out the Lobbyist funds he's pocketed from everyone including George Soros, to Teresa Heinz Kerry, to the radical La Raza group that wants to take back the southwestern US for Mexico.....He is no angel...
 

lazy ace

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
leanin' H said:
How many bills had Bush Passed? ZERO! Congress passes the spending and they are LIBERAL DEMOCRATS! If they didnt send so much pork and spending to Bush's desk, he couldnt sign them into law! Sure he is to blame, but so are ALL members of Congress. So when McCain says no pork, he means it unless the Dems veto proof their bills! Obama will be a rubber stamp. Look at how much pork he has sent to Illinois as a Senator. Obama will spend more, raise taxes more, surrender more, screw up health care more, change the courts with liberal judges more, weaken the 2nd amendment more, ect. ect. ect!!!!! McCain will not be perfect by a long shot but I believe he'll represent my veiws and protect my family and stand closer to my morals than Mr. Obama ever would. As a rancher, as a father, as a neighbor, as an American I cannot just put my trust into a city-organizer, liberal(Even more liberal than Kennedy and Clinton), underqualified, overhyped senator from a big city. What would we even remotely have in common? McCain will tick me off a few times i'm sure! But he'll get my vote.

For 12 years- 6 of those during the Bush Regime- Republicans controlled Congress...During those times that Ted Stevens was trying to build Bridges to Nowhere- and Jack Abramoff was putting tons of cash into Congressional pockets to support every pork project around...Along with the fastest growth in our national debt and largest growth in our big government bureaucracy- with the Republican Congress becoming a rubberstamp for anything Bush wanted- and he giving them any pork they wanted....

McSame may have never brought much pork home to his homestate- but he sold it to the highest bidding Lobbyist around- many times which accounted for his flipflops or supposed "maverick" stances....Just check out the Lobbyist funds he's pocketed from everyone including George Soros, to Teresa Heinz Kerry, to the radical La Raza group that wants to take back the southwestern US for Mexico.....He is no angel...

*In just one year. Remember the election in 2006?
Thought you might like to read the following:

A little over one year ago:

1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratically controlled Congress in 2006 we have seen:

1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate(stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

America voted for ‘change’ in 2006, and we got it!

**Remember it's Congress that makes the law, not the President. He has to work with what’s handed to him.**

Quote of the Day........'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.'
-- Barack Obama

have a cold one

lazy ace
 
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