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Saw an interesting poll running in the papers-- brings up an interesting question since we have the chances of a Morman, Catholics, Muslims, along with a bunch of Protestant sects all running for President...
aplusmnt said:Before 911 I would have voted No, but I voted yes now. Once I gained knowledge of the Muslim religion and what its Koran teaches and in light of what is going on around the world I would not vote for a Muslim Politician!
Red Robin said:It makes a big difference to me ... because of the separation of church and state. :lol: I'll vote for the one most likely to vote in a Christ like fashion. The separation of church and state KRaven was to keep the state from mandating a denomination (like england did), not so we can esteem hedonistic religions or no religion, but with a history degree I'm sure you knew that.
Red Robin said:It makes a big difference to me ... because of the separation of church and state. :lol: I'll vote for the one most likely to vote in a Christ like fashion. The separation of church and state KRaven was to keep the state from mandating a denomination (like england did), not so we can esteem hedonistic religions or no religion, but with a history degree I'm sure you knew that.
We saw the oat you were in. :roll: :roll: :roll:Oldtimer said:aplusmnt said:Before 911 I would have voted No, but I voted yes now. Once I gained knowledge of the Muslim religion and what its Koran teaches and in light of what is going on around the world I would not vote for a Muslim Politician!
Thats about the boat I'm in- and the reason I thought it was such an interesting question.....
loomixguy said:But he proudly voted for a Muslim who was not vetted. He's really quite conservative, you know.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
The answer is that if his parents or one of them were Muslim, then he is a Muslim. Then if he chose something other than Islam, he is an apostate. End quote from ash-Sharh al-Mumti‘ ‘ala Zaad al-Mustaqni‘, 14/452
He also said: Our view – i.e., the Hanbali view – is that the apostasy of a minor who has reached the age of discernment counts as such, but he is not to be called to Islam until after he reaches puberty. Then he is to be asked to repent; if he repents, all well and good, otherwise he is to be executed. End quote from ash-Sharh al-Mumti‘ ‘ala Zaad al-Mustaqni‘, 14/446.
a·pos·tate
/əˈpäsˌtāt,-tit/
noun
noun: apostate; plural noun: apostates
a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle.
synonyms: dissenter, defector, deserter, traitor, backslider, turncoat; More
nonconformist;
1. abandoning a religious or political belief or principle.
hypocritexposer said:OT, please provide whatever evidence you can...that Barry is a Christian?
You no doubt have a long list, seeing as you are willing to claim that he is.
Larrry said:ot so you claim obama is a christian
Your only evidence is "he said he was"
Gotcha
We all know how reliable his word is
ot=fail
To the ignorant, uninformed, and just plain stupid, Obama is whatever he wants them to believe. OT is all of these.Oldtimer said:hypocritexposer said:OT, please provide whatever evidence you can...that Barry is a Christian?
You no doubt have a long list, seeing as you are willing to claim that he is.
He proclaims himself to be a Christian-says he found Christ- was married in the Trinity United Church of Christ to a lady that proclaims to be a Christian- attends Christian Church's-- so I will accept him as a Christian...
Moreover he seems to be living a Christian life- married only once (better than Rush, McCain, or several on this site can say, I'll bet), often speaks of/demonstrates Jesus/Christian teachings of compassion, forgiveness, charity, and that we are all brothers (white man, red man, black man)...
Enough for me...
How do you all prove you are Christians?
Hypocrit- does planting your arse in the front pew every Sunday make you or anyone else a good Christian ? A Holier than Thou ? :???:
"I remain a reluctant skeptic, doubtful of my own motives, wary of expedient conversion, having too many quarrels with God to accept a salvation too easily won," he wrote in his book, "Dreams From My Father."
Oldtimer said:hypocritexposer said:OT, please provide whatever evidence you can...that Barry is a Christian?
You no doubt have a long list, seeing as you are willing to claim that he is.
He proclaims himself to be a Christian-says he found Christ- was married in the Trinity United Church of Christ to a lady that proclaims to be a Christian- attends Christian Church's-- so I will accept him as a Christian...
Moreover he seems to be living a Christian life- married only once (better than Rush, McCain, or several on this site can say, I'll bet), often speaks of/demonstrates Jesus/Christian teachings of compassion, forgiveness, charity, and that we are all brothers (white man, red man, black man)...
Enough for me...
How do you all prove you are Christians?
Hypocrit- does planting your arse in the front pew every Sunday make you or anyone else a good Christian ? A Holier than Thou ? :???:
Moreover he seems to be living a Christian life- married only once (better than Rush, McCain, or several on this site can say, I'll bet), often speaks of/demonstrates Jesus/Christian teachings of compassion, forgiveness, charity, and that we are all brothers (white man, red man, black man)...