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Presidents Religion-POLL

Would a presidential candidate's religion affect your vote?

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Anonymous

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Saw an interesting poll running in the papers-- brings up an interesting question since we have the chances of a Morman, Catholics, Muslims, along with a bunch of Protestant sects all running for President...
 

IL Rancher

Well-known member
How about a I dunno because that is how I feel about it. So much these days it seems that a canidate's religion is there for conviencance not for conviction so I find a lot of the spirtituality in politics to be, well, pandering basically. .... The only one of those loisted that would probably make me think twice, or ten times is Muslim basically because the apparent desire of many in that religion world wide to form Caliphates of which I am not a big fan off.. As far as Mormon, Catholic, protestant, Jewish none of these would bother me too much if at all if I like the canidate's stand on issues I feel are important to this country of which many will make stands on it and than do nothing about it :cry: :x
 

jodywy

Well-known member
Marion G Romney , over saw the Marshal Plan in Europe after WWII for President Eisenhower , later to become President of the Mormon church
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Before 911 I would have voted No, but I voted yes now. Once I gained knowledge of the Muslim religion and what its Koran teaches and in light of what is going on around the world I would not vote for a Muslim Politician!

I know there is Good Muslims, and Bad Muslims. But I would not take the chance that the person running was a Luke warm Muslim (or what some call good Muslims). Maybe one day he would decided to follow all the Muslim teachings and decide all infidels need to convert, be a slave or die!

Basically a good Muslim is one that does not practice all its religious teachings. Kind of like a Catholic that use birth control.

So in fear they get more zealous for their faith I would not vote for one.
 
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Anonymous

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aplusmnt said:
Before 911 I would have voted No, but I voted yes now. Once I gained knowledge of the Muslim religion and what its Koran teaches and in light of what is going on around the world I would not vote for a Muslim Politician!

Thats about the boat I'm in- and the reason I thought it was such an interesting question.....
 

Red Robin

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It makes a big difference to me ... because of the separation of church and state. :lol: I'll vote for the one most likely to vote in a Christ like fashion. The separation of church and state KRaven was to keep the state from mandating a denomination (like england did), not so we can esteem hedonistic religions or no religion, but with a history degree I'm sure you knew that.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Red Robin said:
It makes a big difference to me ... because of the separation of church and state. :lol: I'll vote for the one most likely to vote in a Christ like fashion. The separation of church and state KRaven was to keep the state from mandating a denomination (like england did), not so we can esteem hedonistic religions or no religion, but with a history degree I'm sure you knew that.

That would explain why the founding fathers quoted and made reference to God so much in our early documents. Even the Declaration of Independence that started it all.
 

TSR

Well-known member
Red Robin said:
It makes a big difference to me ... because of the separation of church and state. :lol: I'll vote for the one most likely to vote in a Christ like fashion. The separation of church and state KRaven was to keep the state from mandating a denomination (like england did), not so we can esteem hedonistic religions or no religion, but with a history degree I'm sure you knew that.

I would say from mandating a denomination and also to keep the state from prohibiting one to worship as his own faith dictates.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
aplusmnt said:
Before 911 I would have voted No, but I voted yes now. Once I gained knowledge of the Muslim religion and what its Koran teaches and in light of what is going on around the world I would not vote for a Muslim Politician!

Thats about the boat I'm in- and the reason I thought it was such an interesting question.....
We saw the oat you were in. :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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loomixguy said:
But he proudly voted for a Muslim who was not vetted. He's really quite conservative, you know.

Altho- I believe Obama is a Christian and don't believe he is a Muslim- that shows the reason I would probably not vote for a person of the Muslim faith... Every move they made would be questioned because of their religious faith and not because of the facts or circumstances surrounding it....

But I would fight anyone to protect their right to run or hold the office if elected- as guaranteed under the Constitution...

1st Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Article VI
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Under Muslim Law, Obama is a Muslim. His father was a Muslim. There is no doubt.
The answer is that if his parents or one of them were Muslim, then he is a Muslim. Then if he chose something other than Islam, he is an apostate. End quote from ash-Sharh al-Mumti‘ ‘ala Zaad al-Mustaqni‘, 14/452

He also said: Our view – i.e., the Hanbali view – is that the apostasy of a minor who has reached the age of discernment counts as such, but he is not to be called to Islam until after he reaches puberty. Then he is to be asked to repent; if he repents, all well and good, otherwise he is to be executed. End quote from ash-Sharh al-Mumti‘ ‘ala Zaad al-Mustaqni‘, 14/446.
a·pos·tate


/əˈpäsˌtāt,-tit/


noun

noun: apostate; plural noun: apostates

a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle.

synonyms: dissenter, defector, deserter, traitor, backslider, turncoat; More
nonconformist;


1. abandoning a religious or political belief or principle.
 

hypocritexposer

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OT, please provide whatever evidence you can...that Barry is a Christian?

You no doubt have a long list, seeing as you are willing to claim that he is.
 
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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
OT, please provide whatever evidence you can...that Barry is a Christian?

You no doubt have a long list, seeing as you are willing to claim that he is.

He proclaims himself to be a Christian-says he found Christ- was married in the Trinity United Church of Christ to a lady that proclaims to be a Christian- attends Christian Church's-- so I will accept him as a Christian...

Moreover he seems to be living a Christian life- married only once (better than Rush, McCain, or several on this site can say, I'll bet), often speaks of/demonstrates Jesus/Christian teachings of compassion, forgiveness, charity, and that we are all brothers (white man, red man, black man)...

Enough for me...

How do you all prove you are Christians?

Hypocrit- does planting your arse in the front pew every Sunday make you or anyone else a good Christian ? A Holier than Thou ? :???:
 

Larrry

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ot so you claim obama is a christian

Your only evidence is "he said he was"

Gotcha

We all know how reliable his word is

ot=fail
 
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Anonymous

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Larrry said:
ot so you claim obama is a christian

Your only evidence is "he said he was"

Gotcha

We all know how reliable his word is

ot=fail

Larrry - Are you a Christian? How can you prove it?
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
OT, please provide whatever evidence you can...that Barry is a Christian?

You no doubt have a long list, seeing as you are willing to claim that he is.

He proclaims himself to be a Christian-says he found Christ- was married in the Trinity United Church of Christ to a lady that proclaims to be a Christian- attends Christian Church's-- so I will accept him as a Christian...

Moreover he seems to be living a Christian life- married only once (better than Rush, McCain, or several on this site can say, I'll bet), often speaks of/demonstrates Jesus/Christian teachings of compassion, forgiveness, charity, and that we are all brothers (white man, red man, black man)...

Enough for me...

How do you all prove you are Christians?

Hypocrit- does planting your arse in the front pew every Sunday make you or anyone else a good Christian ? A Holier than Thou ? :???:
To the ignorant, uninformed, and just plain stupid, Obama is whatever he wants them to believe. OT is all of these.

"I remain a reluctant skeptic, doubtful of my own motives, wary of expedient conversion, having too many quarrels with God to accept a salvation too easily won," he wrote in his book, "Dreams From My Father."
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
OT, please provide whatever evidence you can...that Barry is a Christian?

You no doubt have a long list, seeing as you are willing to claim that he is.

He proclaims himself to be a Christian-says he found Christ- was married in the Trinity United Church of Christ to a lady that proclaims to be a Christian- attends Christian Church's-- so I will accept him as a Christian...

Moreover he seems to be living a Christian life- married only once (better than Rush, McCain, or several on this site can say, I'll bet), often speaks of/demonstrates Jesus/Christian teachings of compassion, forgiveness, charity, and that we are all brothers (white man, red man, black man)...

Enough for me...

How do you all prove you are Christians?

Hypocrit- does planting your arse in the front pew every Sunday make you or anyone else a good Christian ? A Holier than Thou ? :???:



First off, I have never claimed to be a Christian, in fact, I have stated that I am not.

and yes, he claims to be a Christian, but that is not evidence of him being a Christian.

There is actual evidence of him being a Muslim



Moreover he seems to be living a Christian life- married only once (better than Rush, McCain, or several on this site can say, I'll bet), often speaks of/demonstrates Jesus/Christian teachings of compassion, forgiveness, charity, and that we are all brothers (white man, red man, black man)...

Is this not what you also claim moderate Muslims believe? So, if your opinion of moderate Islam is correct, and you consider this "evidence", then you have just provided evidence of him being a Muslim...
 

mrj

Well-known member
That is a tough question to answer honestly! I'd like to be able to say "No", but am not sure that would be true.

Christians are asked not to judge others, yet we need to do so for self protection, don't we? I think I don't judge whether or not a person so claiming truly is a Christian, since I believe that can only be determined by Christ.

Yet I appreciate many people who act and live as Christians, even when they slip up and sin, even in a big and or public way, if they seem repentant. Yet I don't give them much slack if they do it repeatedly!

It would be easier for me to trust someone who was a Christian, than in a religion which does not adhere to our Constitution and form of the US Government, or someone whom I just had a gut feeling wasn't right for us at the time, or seemed less than honest. Granted, there may be times when a Pres. should not be totally honest about something, but that should not be often, nor last for a time longer than necessary for protection of military action, or something equally serious.

I do think Mitt Romney would have served our country far better than has Obama for so many reasons, but maybe mostly for his extreme liberalism in wanting to take our country down to some lesser level, AND his inexperience in governing. He seems aloof and 'above' the job in his attitude, imo.

mrj
 
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