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Problems within Democrat party

Sandhusker

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Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton teamed up again Wednesday, but not all Clinton's supporters are jumping on the Obama bandwagon despite her calls for unity.

Two fundraisers on Wednesday in New York and a third on Thursday, make it five times the two have appeared together since Clinton ended her quest for the Democratic presidential nomination last month.

Two of the events are aimed at raising money for Obama's campaign, and one is to help Clinton retire the debt from her failed run.

The joint appearances have been choreographed carefully to produce pictures of the former rivals standing side by side in an effort to help move beyond the bitterness of the hard-fought Democratic primary.

But for some of Clinton's top supporters, it's going to take more than just encouragement from the former first lady to get them to open their wallets and hearts to Obama.

Some of Clinton's fundraisers are pressuring the Obama campaign to support her policy positions -- and help pay off her campaign debt. Watch why some Clinton fans aren't embracing Obama »

Clinton was more than $22 million in the red when she bowed out last month, and half of it was personal loans she made to the campaign to keep it running.

With that debt yet to be paid off, some of Clinton's supporters are balking at the idea of forking over donations for Obama -- especially if he does not choose her to be his running mate.

Businesswoman Lynn Forester de Rothschild launched a Web site bringing Clinton supporters together to put the pressure on Obama.

"We are being asked to embrace party unity without the fair representation of Hillary Clinton and her 18 million voters," she says on her Web site. "Party unity requires bilateral action. We ask Barack Obama and the [Democratic National Committee] to respond."

De Rothschild is one of the so-called "Hillraisers" -- supporters who raised at least $100,000 for Clinton. She's yet to fork over any cash for Obama, and she doesn't know if she will.

"I certainly know there are lots of people who are withholding their money," she said.

"This is a hard decision for me personally because frankly I don't like him. I feel like he is an elitist. I feel like he has not given me reason to trust him."

That sentiment may be sending some Clinton fans into Sen. John McCain's court.

According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released last week, Clinton supporters who say they plan to defect to McCain's camp is down from a month ago, but those who say they plan to vote for Obama is also down, and a growing number say they may not vote at all.

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Florida, spent two days in New York this week with disaffected Clinton supporters.


"It's not unexpected that they wouldn't just automatically shift over to Obama, because they're not the typical Democratic supporters that just automatically shift over," she said. "They need to be wooed. They need to be won over."

The Obama campaign said it expects the "Hillraisers" to come around, but in the meantime, the presumptive GOP nominee is appealing to Clinton fans and trying to make inroads where he can.
 

fff

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Oh, I think you're confused. This is par for the course for the Democratic Party. :roll: We're a diverse group of opinionated, argumentative people. Our tent is large and we welcome all opinions. On the other hand, if you don't toe the Bush line, aren't lilly white, go to the right church, speak English as your first language, you simply aren't welcome in that Republican tent.
 

Sandhusker

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fff said:
Oh, I think you're confused. This is par for the course for the Democratic Party. :roll: We're a diverse group of opinionated, argumentative people. Our tent is large and we welcome all opinions. On the other hand, if you don't toe the Bush line, aren't lilly white, go to the right church, speak English as your first language, you simply aren't welcome in that Republican tent.

If that makes you feel better, go ahead and think that.
 

Mike

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fff said:
Oh, I think you're confused. This is par for the course for the Democratic Party. :roll: We're a diverse group of opinionated, argumentative people. Our tent is large and we welcome all opinions. On the other hand, if you don't toe the Bush line, aren't lilly white, go to the right church, speak English as your first language, you simply aren't welcome in that Republican tent.

I guess this is why the Bush Administration has been and is more diverse than any Admin in history? :lol: :lol:
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
fff said:
Oh, I think you're confused. This is par for the course for the Democratic Party. :roll: We're a diverse group of opinionated, argumentative people. Our tent is large and we welcome all opinions. On the other hand, if you don't toe the Bush line, aren't lilly white, go to the right church, speak English as your first language, you simply aren't welcome in that Republican tent.

I guess this is why the Bush Administration has been and is more diverse than any Admin in history? :lol: :lol:

Actually the word should be divisive--the Bush Administration has been and is more divisive than any Admin in history?
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
fff said:
Oh, I think you're confused. This is par for the course for the Democratic Party. :roll: We're a diverse group of opinionated, argumentative people. Our tent is large and we welcome all opinions. On the other hand, if you don't toe the Bush line, aren't lilly white, go to the right church, speak English as your first language, you simply aren't welcome in that Republican tent.

I guess this is why the Bush Administration has been and is more diverse than any Admin in history? :lol: :lol:

Actually the word should be divisive--the Bush Administration has been and is more divisive than any Admin in history?

Name another Admin that has had more minorities as heads of office.

Put up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
I guess this is why the Bush Administration has been and is more diverse than any Admin in history? :lol: :lol:

Actually the word should be divisive--the Bush Administration has been and is more divisive than any Admin in history?

Name another Admin that has had more minorities as heads of office.

Put up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't matter if they're green-- it is still the most divisive administration in modern times-- having split their own party, Congress, the parties in Congress, government employees, the people of the nation...
Scott McClellan blames much on the neocons that Bush surrounded himself with (Cheney, Rummy, Wolfowitz, Rove, etc) that felt they had to be continually confrontational and in campaign mode...
He says that when GW campaigned as the great uniter- he thinks that was really his plan-- until their influence made him the great divider....
 

Mike

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Wait just a minute.......

First Frankie says:
On the other hand, if you don't toe the Bush line, aren't lilly white, go to the right church, speak English as your first language, you simply aren't welcome in that Republican tent.

I then enlightened by challenging anyone to show the more diverse Admin in the history of the USA, then you say:
Actually the word should be divisive

Let's see??? First you can't be a Republican until you are lilly white, etc.,
then when showed you can be different, the game rules change?

You're piece work there bubba. Think about what you're arguing about. :roll:
 

Larrry

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OT if you would look the discussion was about a diverse administration. I am sure you were smart enough to see that it was the word "divisive"

Just wanted to let you know before you made a fool of yourself and portayed yourself as a nasty old man. I know an intelligent person like yourself wouldn't want to be remembered as a sullen old man.
 
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Anonymous

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Larrry said:
OT if you would look the discussion was about a diverse administration. I am sure you were smart enough to see that it was the word "divisive"

Just wanted to let you know before you made a fool of yourself and portayed yourself as a nasty old man. I know an intelligent person like yourself wouldn't want to be remembered as a sullen old man.

No D-I-V-I-S-I-V-E fits the Bush regime much better!!
 

loomixguy

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My Filipina wife is a registered Republican. Most of the Filipinos I know are registered Republicans. They damn sure ain't white, and English sure wasn't their first language.

It's fun to listen to them talk American politics. They came from a country where if you were running for office, your esteemed opponent could have somebody come after you with a gun, or an all time favorite, an icepick...all for the price of a case of San Mig and a carton of Bensons. We don't know how good we have it, but if the Great Messiah gets in, we'll soon realize how good it used to be........ :???:
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
Larrry said:
OT if you would look the discussion was about a diverse administration. I am sure you were smart enough to see that it was the word "divisive"

Just wanted to let you know before you made a fool of yourself and portayed yourself as a nasty old man. I know an intelligent person like yourself wouldn't want to be remembered as a sullen old man.

No D-I-V-I-S-I-V-E fits the Bush regime much better!!
According to Goli Ameri, Public Member of the U.S. Delegation to the U.N. Commission on Human Rights:

"President Bush has made issues of racial diversity and equal opportunity an important part of his agenda. Indeed, the President's cabinet is the most diverse in the history of the United States."

http://www.us-mission.ch/humanrights/2005/0321ameri.htm
 
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Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
Larrry said:
OT if you would look the discussion was about a diverse administration. I am sure you were smart enough to see that it was the word "divisive"

Just wanted to let you know before you made a fool of yourself and portayed yourself as a nasty old man. I know an intelligent person like yourself wouldn't want to be remembered as a sullen old man.

No D-I-V-I-S-I-V-E fits the Bush regime much better!!
According to Goli Ameri, Public Member of the U.S. Delegation to the U.N. Commission on Human Rights:

"President Bush has made issues of racial diversity and equal opportunity an important part of his agenda. Indeed, the President's cabinet is the most diverse in the history of the United States."

http://www.us-mission.ch/humanrights/2005/0321ameri.htm

Is that all you folks in Klu Klux Klan land think about- color... :???: This has nothing to do with color or race or gender...
As I put in my earlier post- he totally split the nation- including his own party and within his own Administration (one of the reasons the right hand doesn't know what the left hands doing)....

Don't matter if they're green-- it is still the most divisive administration in modern times-- having split their own party, Congress, the parties in Congress, government employees, the people of the nation...
Scott McClellan blames much on the neocons that Bush surrounded himself with (Cheney, Rummy, Wolfowitz, Rove, etc) that felt they had to be continually confrontational and in campaign mode...
He says that when GW campaigned as the great uniter- he thinks that was really his plan-- until their influence made him the great divider....
 

hopalong

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Oldtimer said:
Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
No D-I-V-I-S-I-V-E fits the Bush regime much better!!
According to Goli Ameri, Public Member of the U.S. Delegation to the U.N. Commission on Human Rights:

"President Bush has made issues of racial diversity and equal opportunity an important part of his agenda. Indeed, the President's





cabinet is the most diverse in the history of the United States.
"







http://www.us-mission.ch/humanrights/2005/0321ameri.htm

Is that all you folks in Klu Klux Klan land think about- color... :???: This has nothing to do with color or race or gender...
As I put in my earlier post- he totally split the nation- including his own party and within his own Administration (one of the reasons the right hand doesn't know what the left hands doing)....

Don't matter if they're green-- it is still the most divisive administration in modern times-- having split their own party, Congress, the parties in Congress, government employees, the people of the nation...


Scott McClellan blames much on the neocons that Bush surrounded himself with (Cheney, Rummy, Wolfowitz, Rove, etc) that felt they had to be continually confrontational and in campaign mode...
He says that when GW campaigned as the great uniter- he thinks that was really his plan-- until their influence made him the great divider....


What colored KOOL aid is the local waterhole serving to day!!!!!
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Am pround of ya Oldwhiner you only used the NEOCON word once!!!!!! :roll:
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
Is that all you folks in Klu Klux Klan land think about- color... :???: This has nothing to do with color or race or gender...
You're having trouble following the discussion, aren't you? Your liberal kompatriot ff is the one who brought race/color into this:

fff said:
On the other hand, if you don't toe the Bush line, aren't lilly white, go to the right church, speak English as your first language, you simply aren't welcome in that Republican tent.

Mike called her on it...

Mike said:
I guess this is why the Bush Administration has been and is more diverse than any Admin in history? :lol: :lol:

...but noooooo - YOU wanted to be argumentative:

Oldtimer said:
Actually the word should be divisive--the Bush Administration has been and is more divisive than any Admin in history?

I hope this helps refresh your memory - I know it was a whole page back. :roll:

Do all of you folks up there in Whine Whine Whine land have this much trouble keeping up with discussions? :lol:
 
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Anonymous

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Oh I know quite well what the discussion was about- and what word was used....I just think my word better fits the reign of King George and his Court of Bumbling Fools... :wink:
 
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