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Putin is just waiting...

loomixguy

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..for Hussein Obama to get elected. It would appear that he can't wait until January, so he had to flex his muscles in Georgia, in effect tipping his hand as to what he intends to do once his Comrade of Color is firmly ensconced in the White House. :help:

Hussein can hope and pray to Allah for change, but the Commies and the Muslims know with their candidate of choice at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, it will enable them to effectively control the world as we now know it, without fear of reprisal from the United States, or the feebs at the UN. :roll:

A person with 160 days total experience in the US Senate has less qualifications to be President than my 3 legged dog does. Anybody over 40 who votes for this empty suit is a complete and utter moron. Suddenly the thought of Hitlary in the White House isn't nearly as scary as it used to be! :shock:
 

fff

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loomixguy said:
..Suddenly the thought of Hitlary in the White House isn't nearly as scary as it used to be! :shock:


:lol: :lol: :lol: You better think that over pretty good. Her name will be put in nomination at the convention.
 

don

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i don't think putin gives a rip who's president. he's been positioning russia for years now. he knows the usa doesn't have anything to put up against him after the iraq screwup. dubya might as well be in crawford. or back at the olympics.
 
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don said:
i don't think putin gives a rip who's president. he's been positioning russia for years now. he knows the usa doesn't have anything to put up against him after the iraq screwup. dubya might as well be in crawford. or back at the olympics.

Yep- the power is switching...GW sold out US super power status- and now we have Russia and China owning a great deal of our debt- and now in the position to call all the shots....

Putin could care less who's in the White House - because there is absolutely nothing any of them can do to stop him- and he knows it---except that old Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb singing wrinkly white haired Dude might decide to bring on Armageddon as his last 80 year old act in office.. :(
 

loomixguy

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Oldtimer said:
don said:
i don't think putin gives a rip who's president. he's been positioning russia for years now. he knows the usa doesn't have anything to put up against him after the iraq screwup. dubya might as well be in crawford. or back at the olympics.

Yep- the power is switching...GW sold out US super power status- and now we have Russia and China owning a great deal of our debt- and now in the position to call all the shots....

Putin could care less who's in the White House - because there is absolutely nothing any of them can do to stop him- and he knows it---except that old Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb singing wrinkly white haired Dude might decide to bring on Armageddon as his last 80 year old act in office.. :(

Well, Old Komrade, I'll risk Armageddon any time to keep my daughters from having to wear burkhas. Apparently you won't.
 

Ben H

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Even stretched as we are, we could still take Russia, it would take a bit of time but we can get there quicker then you think. America has not sacraficed for our present war, life goes on as normal here on our soil, unlike WWII. One big danger we face is the fact that we've moved our factories over to China, we don't have as much to re-tool for the war effort as we did in WWII. We do have them beat on technology and training.
 

fff

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Ben H said:
Even stretched as we are, we could still take Russia, it would take a bit of time but we can get there quicker then you think. America has not sacraficed for our present war, life goes on as normal here on our soil, unlike WWII. One big danger we face is the fact that we've moved our factories over to China, we don't have as much to re-tool for the war effort as we did in WWII. We do have them beat on technology and training.

Why? Why take on Russia? What's to gain from defending a country that's in Russia's sphere of influence? Just to make a point? Are you in the military? Are you willing to go spend a 12-15 months in Georgia, then rotate back to Afghanistan in another year? We probably could "take" Russia, but for what? IMO, certainly not to defend a country that is trying to impose their will on a region that voted several years ago against joining Russia or Georgia.
 

loomixguy

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History may prove General GS Patton correct when he wanted to take Moscow at the end of WWII. He could see at that time that we may have to fight the Russians someday.

Ronald Reagan, the Greatest Cold Warrior of them all, broke the USSR and never had to fire a shot to do it.

The wheels should be set in motion for Russia and the ChiComs to be unhappy with each other. They don't have an ocean between them.
 

Ben H

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I'm now in the IRR, I finished my enlistment and am still on the "call list". This isn't about proving a point, many Americans fail to look at the big picture. Russia is aligning themselves with Iran, China and Venezuela. Because this world currently depends on oil, they are positioning themselves to have the ultimate control of the world economically. When there is a major shift in a government it doesn't happen peacefully, where was the civil war when the cold war "ended". Russia didn't bury their old ideals and desires. They waited, changed tactics, and refinanced. Look at a map, Georgia is a very strategically placed country allowing us to get oil without it going through Russia (pipelines). They are located between the Caspian sea and Black sea. I forget which one, maybe both, possibly has more oil then Saudi Arabia. Now what happens when they control that and Iran controls the straits? Iran has threatened to do so, and they have anti ship missiles with a 200 mile range. Plus there is the whole concept of freedom, a democratic leadership. Russia doesn't want Georgia to be a democracy, and they sure as hell don't want them to join NATO. They are fighting the idea of freedom. This is there proxy war to fight us. They are signing their bombs to us. They are showing the world that Russia is going to do whatever they want. Now they are threatening to nuke Poland. Could we have won the Revolution without the help of the French? Russia has also threatened to do to any other countries what they did to Georgia if any Russian "peacekeepers" or citizens are harmed.
What if Mexico had a bigger military then us, and a group in the South West wanted to separate from the U.S. (there is a large group that wants to do just that), we would have every right to not allow them to break away. Then would it be OK for the larger military from another country to say that those are their citizens, and moves in to take control of that region and then push even further beyond those borders? If we don't do anything, we could be setting an poor example that could lead to the Chinese invasion of Taiwan, they are planning it btw. They have had joint training exercises with Russia that includes that type of scenario.
 

VanC

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Excellent points, Ben. As Reagan said, "peace through strength". As soon as our enemies perceive weakness in our military and our policies, they won't hesitate to take what they want, but some people are simply blind to it. I'm not saying we should go off half cocked and get involved in every regional conflict, but a line has to be drawn, and the threat of hard power has to always be there, or freedom will be in decline.

The really frightening thing is that much of our oil comes from countries that aren't overly friendly towards us. They shut that oil off, and we're in big trouble. If we don't find a way to become more energy independent, drilling for our own in the short run and coming up with alternatives in the long run, we're toast.
 

Sandhusker

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Van, "The really frightening thing is that much of our oil comes from countries that aren't overly friendly towards us. They shut that oil off, and we're in big trouble. If we don't find a way to become more energy independent, drilling for our own in the short run and coming up with alternatives in the long run, we're toast."

Excellent point. You look at the EU's response to Russia and you don't see so much as a hand slap. The reason is they are dependent on Russia for their natural gas and you can't bite the hand that feeds you. We had better learn from the mistakes of others and get serious about energy independence TODAY.
 

jodywy

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fff said:
Ben H said:
Even stretched as we are, we could still take Russia, it would take a bit of time but we can get there quicker then you think. America has not sacraficed for our present war, life goes on as normal here on our soil, unlike WWII. One big danger we face is the fact that we've moved our factories over to China, we don't have as much to re-tool for the war effort as we did in WWII. We do have them beat on technology and training.

Why? Why take on Russia? What's to gain from defending a country that's in Russia's sphere of influence? Just to make a point? Are you in the military? Are you willing to go spend a 12-15 months in Georgia, then rotate back to Afghanistan in another year? We probably could "take" Russia, but for what? IMO, certainly not to defend a country that is trying to impose their will on a region that voted several years ago against joining Russia or Georgia.
it all about oil and the pipeline from the caspian sea....
 

Cal

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VanC said:
Excellent points, Ben. As Reagan said, "peace through strength". As soon as our enemies perceive weakness in our military and our policies, they won't hesitate to take what they want, but some people are simply blind to it. I'm not saying we should go off half cocked and get involved in every regional conflict, but a line has to be drawn, and the threat of hard power has to always be there, or freedom will be in decline.

The really frightening thing is that much of our oil comes from countries that aren't overly friendly towards us. They shut that oil off, and we're in big trouble. If we don't find a way to become more energy independent, drilling for our own in the short run and coming up with alternatives in the long run, we're toast.
Absolutely, and the leading Democrats want to give us.....WIND!
 

don

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putin already sees weakness in the usa. bush has been a weak president because he has been so stupid. just watching a documentary called the putin system. the man is uncompromising and will use the oil and his nuclear superiority to get what he wants. he is ruthless.
 
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