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Putin says what??

Cal

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http://patdollard.com/2009/02/putin-warns-the-us-against-socialism/
Putin Warns The US Against Socialism

Russian Prime Minister Vladamir Putin has said the US should take a lesson from the pages of Russian history and not exercise “excessive intervention in economic activity and blind faith in the state’s omnipotence”.

“In the 20th century, the Soviet Union made the state’s role absolute,” Putin said during a speech at the opening ceremony of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “In the long run, this made the Soviet economy totally uncompetitive. This lesson cost us dearly. I am sure nobody wants to see it repeated.”

Sounding more like Barry Goldwater than the former head of the KGB, Putin said, “Nor should we turn a blind eye to the fact that the spirit of free enterprise, including the principle of personal responsibility of businesspeople, investors, and shareholders for their decisions, is being eroded in the last few months. There is no reason to believe that we can achieve better results by shifting responsibility onto the state.”

Putin also cautioned the US against using military Keynesianism to lift its economy out of recession, saying, “in the longer run, militarization won’t solve the problem but will rather quell it temporarily. What it will do is squeeze huge financial and other resources from the economy instead of finding better and wiser uses for them.” Putin’s comments come in sharp contrast to Russia’s own military buildup and expansion.

Putin also echoed the words of conservative maverick Ron Paul when he said, “we must assess the real situation and write off all hopeless debts and ‘bad’ assets. True, this will be an extremely painful and unpleasant process. Far from everyone can accept such measures, fearing for their capitalization, bonuses, or reputation. However, we would ‘conserve’ and prolong the crisis, unless we clean up our balance sheets.”

“The time for enlightenment has come. We must calmly, and without gloating, assess the root causes of this situation and try to peek into the future.”

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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
Isn't that great, Russia giving the US advice on not becoming socialist!

When the Soviet Union broke up- they went straight to a Capitalistic system- until the crooks and Mafia took over, held the people at hostage for prices- especially food prices which they knew they could get--- and the the Russian people asked for many of the old rules/laws of the Communist USSR to be reinstated...

And as has been shown with the greed of the Bankers/Lenders/Investors/Multinational Corporates of the US- they are not much different- they no longer can operate without strict rules, regulations and oversight- and will put GREED over ethics in their profitteering.....
 

Sandhusker

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You're missing the jist of the article, OT. This is the advice of somebody who has been there, and he's telling us that we don't to go there. "There" meaning where your leader is leading us.
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
You're missing the jist of the article, OT. This is the advice of somebody who has been there, and he's telling us that we don't to go there. "There" meaning where your leader is leading us.

The breakdown of the USSR and their total acceptance of Capitalism without regulation and laws proved that without that regulation and laws, it doesn't work...

The Bankers/Investment Company/Oil cartels CEO's misshandling of peoples money- while exorbitantly profiteering proved that...The crooks/Russian mafia took over at excessive profiteering....

And it will take years- generations to build back that trust in the US...Right now bankers/investment/finance folks are rated lower that attorneys and used car salemen for trustworthiness.. :( :(
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
You're missing the jist of the article, OT. This is the advice of somebody who has been there, and he's telling us that we don't to go there. "There" meaning where your leader is leading us.

The breakdown of the USSR and their total acceptance of Capitalism without regulation and laws proved that without that regulation and laws, it doesn't work...

The Bankers/Investment Company/Oil cartels CEO's misshandling of peoples money- while exorbitantly profiteering proved that...The crooks/Russian mafia took over at excessive profiteering....

And it will take years- generations to build back that trust in the US...Right now bankers/investment/finance folks are rated lower that attorneys and used car salemen for trustworthiness.. :( :(

The didn't totally accept capitalism. I was going to school at the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union and was taking a class on Soviet Politics - a great time to take that class. Our prof told us that the Russians were going to struggle mightily with capitalism because most of them didn't have the foggyist idea on how to even run a lemonade stand. They had been told what to do for a thousand years and what we consider common, elementary knowledge on capitalism was beyond them - and he was right.

Putin is telling us that the government is not the cure-all that the liberals think it is.
 

Silver

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Looks like once again we have proved that under regulation doesn't work, nor does over regulation. Once again...... all things in moderation.
If people want to figure out how much regulation is enough (with regards to financial institutions), perhaps they should look at the only country in the G7 to not have a bank fail and see if there is something to learn there.
 
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Anonymous

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Silver said:
Looks like once again we have proved that under regulation doesn't work, nor does over regulation. Once again...... all things in moderation.
If people want to figure out how much regulation is enough (with regards to financial institutions), perhaps they should look at the only country in the G7 to not have a bank fail and see if there is something to learn there.

YEP-- but according to most the rightwingnuts on here- you are a communist socialist country :wink:
 

Silver

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Oldtimer said:
Silver said:
Looks like once again we have proved that under regulation doesn't work, nor does over regulation. Once again...... all things in moderation.
If people want to figure out how much regulation is enough (with regards to financial institutions), perhaps they should look at the only country in the G7 to not have a bank fail and see if there is something to learn there.

YEP-- but according to most the rightwingnuts on here- you are a communist socialist country :wink:

So they claim :D Funny how people can spin that. Did you know the US taxpayer pays more into government funded health care per capita than does Canada?
 
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Anonymous

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Silver said:
Oldtimer said:
Silver said:
Looks like once again we have proved that under regulation doesn't work, nor does over regulation. Once again...... all things in moderation.
If people want to figure out how much regulation is enough (with regards to financial institutions), perhaps they should look at the only country in the G7 to not have a bank fail and see if there is something to learn there.

YEP-- but according to most the rightwingnuts on here- you are a communist socialist country :wink:

So they claim :D Funny how people can spin that. Did you know the US taxpayer pays more into government funded health care per capita than does Canada?

Yep-- and the quality of our healthcare is rated lower on a worldwide basis-- but don't tell the rightwingernuts they're paying for all that- as apparently they think all those folks without insurance are being given it free by the hospitals and Doctors- because they live under a Capitalist society ..... :roll: :wink: :lol:
 

Broke Cowboy

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Silver said:
Oldtimer said:
Silver said:
Looks like once again we have proved that under regulation doesn't work, nor does over regulation. Once again...... all things in moderation.
If people want to figure out how much regulation is enough (with regards to financial institutions), perhaps they should look at the only country in the G7 to not have a bank fail and see if there is something to learn there.

YEP-- but according to most the rightwingnuts on here- you are a communist socialist country :wink:

So they claim :D Funny how people can spin that. Did you know the US taxpayer pays more into government funded health care per capita than does Canada?

As with everything there are trade offs.

I broke my back in 1990.

When I was injured, I was told I would be in a wheel chair for up to a year waiting for a specialist and an MRI - then possibly another six months to a year before the operation.

I managed to find specialist and an MRI in about two weeks due to a visit to the US of A. Put a second mortgage on the house. :D

Actually we just took out a big loan.

The operation came within the next three months as the doctor was able to schedule me using the info I received by "jumping the line".

It helped that someone died - I took that persons place.

Big thing is - I was looking at two years in a wheel chair before I was going to even get my final treatment.

That two years reduced the odds of success by a very large percentage.

You do an honest assessment of what you would do in this case and then look at the systems I took advantage of - and in the end I was damned glad they were there.

Lots of pros and cons to each side of the story.

No smilies of superiority from either side of the border on this issue please - I am fortunate both sides were there.

The US may pay more - but it is extremely common in Canada to have to wait up to two years for some types of treatment - and yes people die up here because of that wait.

Canadians pay - and they often cannot get the service through their socialist system.

Best idea would be to fnd a way to put the best of both worlds together.

In Canada that is called two tier and unfortunately that is not allowed.

BC
 

Silver

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That is an interesting story and I'm glad it worked out for you in the end. I think though that OT and myself were saying was essentially what you are. Neither system is perfect, both have things they can learn off each other, and one isn't neccesarily more socialist than the other, despite some peoples assumptions to the contrary.
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
Silver said:
Oldtimer said:
YEP-- but according to most the rightwingnuts on here- you are a communist socialist country :wink:

So they claim :D Funny how people can spin that. Did you know the US taxpayer pays more into government funded health care per capita than does Canada?

Yep-- and the quality of our healthcare is rated lower on a worldwide basis-- but don't tell the rightwingernuts they're paying for all that- as apparently they think all those folks without insurance are being given it free by the hospitals and Doctors- because they live under a Capitalist society ..... :roll: :wink: :lol:

Yet people come from around the world to get treatment by AMERICAN doctors and stay in AMERICAN hospitals.
 

Mrs.Greg

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TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
Silver said:
So they claim :D Funny how people can spin that. Did you know the US taxpayer pays more into government funded health care per capita than does Canada?

Yep-- and the quality of our healthcare is rated lower on a worldwide basis-- but don't tell the rightwingernuts they're paying for all that- as apparently they think all those folks without insurance are being given it free by the hospitals and Doctors- because they live under a Capitalist society ..... :roll: :wink: :lol:

Yet people come from around the world to get treatment by AMERICAN doctors and stay in AMERICAN hospitals.
Weird,same thing happens here in CANADA. When my 4yr old niece was in the children's hospital in Edmonton,out of her five room mates two of the kids were from the US.....


I get really tired of Canadians complaining about their heathcare system....you never miss something until its gone.....
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
Silver said:
Looks like once again we have proved that under regulation doesn't work, nor does over regulation. Once again...... all things in moderation.
If people want to figure out how much regulation is enough (with regards to financial institutions), perhaps they should look at the only country in the G7 to not have a bank fail and see if there is something to learn there.

YEP-- but according to most the rightwingnuts on here- you are a communist socialist country :wink:

"According to most the rightwingnuts?" :lol:

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2005

Oldtimer said:
Silver said:
Care to elaborate? So when the jobs go the people disappear too? It's better to have your people on welfare than working in a packing plant, or driving the delivery trucks, etc. etc? hmmmmmm....

The immigrant labor that fill many of the jobs that will go with your new slaughter houses will take dollars from the communty, send most back south and put a large strain on your socialistic system...


Oldtimer said:
But like I said- they may fit right into a socialist nation that already pays for everything for everyone........


Silver said:
-As far as the uneducated little socialist jab.. I'll ignore it and assume you just don't know any better.

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12771#12771


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2006


Oldtimer said:
So because the Canadian socialist government stuck it to all Canadian producers, and raped them without a kiss- you want the US to be force with M-ID too...Tam what a childish argument.....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=129264#129264


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2007

Oldtimer said:
Yep- Probably hard for you to see anything clearly when Canada hasn't even recognized yet it has a BSE problem and is still under quarantine for having higher risk....But I suppose Socialist schools don't teach statistics- and risk factors.....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=181349#181349


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2008

Oldtimer said:
Yep-- good for Canada to recognize that consumers want country of origin on their food products.....Appears to me tho the socialist governments up there ( that paid for the major cost of your entire ID system) is still going to help keep you on the tit so you can keep up with the tat..... :???:

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=281269#281269
 

hopalong

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CattleArmy said:
Texan glad to see you can copy and paste.


Yep me too he just pointed out how oldtimer says onething ohe time and then directly the opposite anotherr time,
not that it really needed to be pointed out every one already knew it! :roll:
 
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