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Anonymous

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Since you seem to be all bent out of shape over the State Dept deaths in Libya-- answer me a couple of questions....

How many State Dept employees died in Iraq-- and did you get as up tight about all those State Dept employees that died in Iraq as you did with those that died in Libya?
Or does "your politics" make dying different :???:

As far as I'm concerned- we as a country- and they as State Dept employees/contractors should not have been in either country-- until the governments of those countries can guarantee their safety....
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Since you seem to be all bent out of shape over the State Dept deaths in Libya-- answer me a couple of questions....

How many State Dept employees died in Iraq-- and did you get as up tight about all those State Dept employees that died in Iraq as you did with those that died in Libya?
Or does "your politics" make dying different :???:

As far as I'm concerned- we as a country- and they as State Dept employees/contractors should not have been in either country-- until the governments of those countries can guarantee their safety....


did Congress approve/vote for a war in Libya. I hadn't heard.

But obama was running a "secret prison" in Libya, that he didn't want to provide protection for.
 

cowman52

Well-known member
What happened In Iraq, the people signed up for and knew what they might be in for, in Libya, we sent an un armed ambassador to represent America on sovereign ground, who expected to be protected,and what did he get????---------DEAD------ just to cover obamas a** in an election year cover up.

Axle rod, Plufe etal just considered him the price of doing politics, and Susan Rice had no f****** clue but lied to anyone and everyone who would listen to hoist the B S a step higher.

Your rational is equal to curing cancer with a shotgun, the results are the same, but I am more noble---- what a load of S***
 

hopalong

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Forget it guys,,,oldtimer is clueless about the difference between the two....
He just wets his depends when some one picks on his hero and looks the other way when there is a screw up.......or cover up..

EH oldtimer??????
 

Mike

Well-known member
There were Dept. Of State Employees killed in Iraq during Buckwheat's time in office. Should they have been better protected too?

5/26/2009 Reuters-BAGHDAD — A roadside bomb blasted a U.S. convoy west of Baghdad, killing three Americans, including a top reconstruction official who once headed the Illinois Commerce Commission, U.S. authorities said Tuesday.

The attack occurred Monday on the eastern outskirts of Fallujah, which used to be the main stronghold of Sunni insurgents until U.S. troops overran the city in November 2004 in the bitterest urban fighting of the Iraq war.

Since then, Fallujah, 40 miles (70 kilometers) west of Baghdad in Anbar province, has been among the most heavily guarded cities in Iraq. A fatal attack in such an area illustrates the resilience of the insurgents despite major setbacks on the battlefield during the past two years.

Those killed in the blast included Terrence "Terry" Barnich, 56, deputy director of the State Department office that oversees U.S. reconstruction projects in Iraq, as well as a U.S. soldier and a Defense Department employee working for the U.S. Embassy, according to a U.S. statement.
 
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Anonymous

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Those State Dept people in Iraq (both during Bush's and Obamas watchs) - many of who were contract security just like the ex seals killed in Libya- were doing the exact same type of jobs as those in Libya- but how many of you complained about all those that were killed?

But now that it happened near the election- and can/could be blown into a partisan issue by some partisan Congressmen who are still peeing in their wheaties because they lost, FAUX News, and a few of the rightwingnut blogs--they are blowing it all out of proportion...


Fox News Ends Interview After Benghazi Criticism


By Amanda Crum · 22 hours ago · 32 Comments


A Pulitzer Prize-winning author is upset after his interview on Fox News was cut short following his criticism of the network, and says producers knew what his talking points would be ahead of time…yet his segment was abruptly cut in half.

Thomas E. Ricks–who is also a defense reporter–was a guest on the show anchored by Jon Scott and wanted to address the attacks in Benghazi which left four people dead, including a United States ambassador. When he called the event “hyped”–especially by Fox News–Scott questioned him on it, asking, “When you have four people dead, including the first U.S. ambassador in more than 30 years, how do you call that hype?”

Ricks responded, “How many security contractors died in Iraq? Do you know? Nobody does, because nobody cared. We know that several hundred died, but there was never an official count done of security contractors dead in Iraq. So when I see this focus on what was essentially a small firefight, I think, No. 1, I’ve covered a lot of firefights, it’s impossible to figure out what happens in them sometimes. And second, I think that the emphasis on Benghazi has been extremely political, partly because Fox was operating as a wing of the Republican Party.”

At that point, Scott thanked Ricks and the segment was quickly ended, much to the author’s surprise. He says he was later called “rude” by a Fox staffer, but disagrees.

“I thought I was being honest,” he said. “They asked my opinion, and I gave it.”

Video:

http://www.webpronews.com/fox-news-ends-interview-after-benghazi-criticism-2012-11
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
I saw that segment, and it seemed to me, Ricks was there with an axe to grind. He had it in for Fox News from the get-go. No wonder he was cut short.

Too bad you libs can't get it through your heads, these men REPEATEDLY CRIED FOR HELP that was available. Help never came. There is a difference.
I know, dead is dead, but the conditions the victims were under varied
measurably.

And for months Chris Steven told the WH there wasn't enough security
should an attack come...fate proved him right and proved the WH wrong for
not providing it. Shame on them.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Those State Dept people in Iraq (both during Bush's and Obamas watchs) - many of who were contract security just like the ex seals killed in Libya- were doing the exact same type of jobs as those in Libya- but how many of you complained about all those that were killed?

But now that it happened near the election- and can/could be blown into a partisan issue by some partisan Congressmen who are still peeing in their wheaties because they lost, FAUX News, and a few of the rightwingnut blogs--they are blowing it all out of proportion...


Fox News Ends Interview After Benghazi Criticism


By Amanda Crum · 22 hours ago · 32 Comments


A Pulitzer Prize-winning author is upset after his interview on Fox News was cut short following his criticism of the network, and says producers knew what his talking points would be ahead of time…yet his segment was abruptly cut in half.

Thomas E. Ricks–who is also a defense reporter–was a guest on the show anchored by Jon Scott and wanted to address the attacks in Benghazi which left four people dead, including a United States ambassador. When he called the event “hyped”–especially by Fox News–Scott questioned him on it, asking, “When you have four people dead, including the first U.S. ambassador in more than 30 years, how do you call that hype?”

Ricks responded, “How many security contractors died in Iraq? Do you know? Nobody does, because nobody cared. We know that several hundred died, but there was never an official count done of security contractors dead in Iraq. So when I see this focus on what was essentially a small firefight, I think, No. 1, I’ve covered a lot of firefights, it’s impossible to figure out what happens in them sometimes. And second, I think that the emphasis on Benghazi has been extremely political, partly because Fox was operating as a wing of the Republican Party.”

At that point, Scott thanked Ricks and the segment was quickly ended, much to the author’s surprise. He says he was later called “rude” by a Fox staffer, but disagrees.

“I thought I was being honest,” he said. “They asked my opinion, and I gave it.”

Video:

http://www.webpronews.com/fox-news-ends-interview-after-benghazi-criticism-2012-11

If any of the previous State Dept. folks or contractors killed in Iraq had (AND ON THE SAME DAY) asked for increased security several times due to the lack of the same, the rage would just as broad.

How many times after the Iraq workers were killed was the Ambassador to the UN trotted out to lie about the deaths?

How many US workers in Iraq were being killed while the White House was watching it live via drone cameras? :roll:
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Since you seem to be all bent out of shape over the State Dept deaths in Libya-- answer me a couple of questions....

How many State Dept employees died in Iraq-- and did you get as up tight about all those State Dept employees that died in Iraq as you did with those that died in Libya?
Or does "your politics" make dying different :???:

As far as I'm concerned- we as a country- and they as State Dept employees/contractors should not have been in either country-- until the governments of those countries can guarantee their safety....

I haven't kept up with BC's thoughts on this issue, but from my viewpoint, the outrage from the right seems to center around two main points 1) that the SD staff there asked for more security that wasn't forthcoming and 2) that the President, the CIA, FBI, etc all knew within hours of the attack that it was terrorist-driven and had NOTHING to do with a spontaneous riot over some silly film....yet the Obama admin and Susan Rice pushed this story for about a week. Why?

I've read numerous details of the history of the embassy staff asking for more security and in my humble opinion, this aspect of the friction between right and left is a bit more of a grey area.....that is, more subject to intrepretation.

On the topic of what the Obama administration told the American public re what happened in Libya, versus what they obviously knew, there is no grey area in my opinion. It's obvious they flat-out lied.....probably to protect the picture Obama had painted that al Queda was on its knees since HE had taken out bin Laden.

Now on another topic related to the theme of this thread, I recall numerous posts of yours OT over the Bush years where you were outraged about his "trampling of the US Constitution". How many times did you call the man King George because of this trampling? Care for me to dig up a few of those juicy quotes to prove that I know what I'm saying?

Hypo brought up a very important point.....Obama's complete failure to follow the US Constitution and consult with the US Congress and get their approval before commiting US forces to military action in Libya. When it was all taking place, it almost seemed surreal to me.....only the most principled of liberals were pissed about what Obama was doing, every one else on the left, including you OT, looked the other way, or did the contortionist routine to explain why it wasn't necessary. IT WAS NECESSARY ACCORDING TO THE US CONSTITUTION.

So I ask you, OldBagofWind, did you get as up tight about Obama trampling the US Constitution as you did when you claimed King George had done so?
Or does "your politics" make Obama's trampling of the US Constitution different :???:
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Some quality material in these threads. OT should consider a gig with Dancing With The Stars the way he masterfully tip-toes around the issues to avoid saying a negative word about his cult leader.

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50764&highlight=libya

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54134&highlight=libya

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51806&highlight=libya
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
Since you seem to be all bent out of shape over the State Dept deaths in Libya-- answer me a couple of questions....

How many State Dept employees died in Iraq-- and did you get as up tight about all those State Dept employees that died in Iraq as you did with those that died in Libya?
Or does "your politics" make dying different :???:

As far as I'm concerned- we as a country- and they as State Dept employees/contractors should not have been in either country-- until the governments of those countries can guarantee their safety....

I haven't kept up with BC's thoughts on this issue, but from my viewpoint, the outrage from the right seems to center around two main points 1) that the SD staff there asked for more security that wasn't forthcoming and 2) that the President, the CIA, FBI, etc all knew within hours of the attack that it was terrorist-driven and had NOTHING to do with a spontaneous riot over some silly film....yet the Obama admin and Susan Rice pushed this story for about a week. Why?

I've read numerous details of the history of the embassy staff asking for more security and in my humble opinion, this aspect of the friction between right and left is a bit more of a grey area.....that is, more subject to intrepretation.

On the topic of what the Obama administration told the American public re what happened in Libya, versus what they obviously knew, there is no grey area in my opinion. It's obvious they flat-out lied.....probably to protect the picture Obama had painted that al Queda was on its knees since HE had taken out bin Laden.

Now on another topic related to the theme of this thread, I recall numerous posts of yours OT over the Bush years where you were outraged about his "trampling of the US Constitution". How many times did you call the man King George because of this trampling? Care for me to dig up a few of those juicy quotes to prove that I know what I'm saying?

Hypo brought up a very important point.....Obama's complete failure to follow the US Constitution and consult with the US Congress and get their approval before commiting US forces to military action in Libya. When it was all taking place, it almost seemed surreal to me.....only the most principled of liberals were p****d about what Obama was doing, every one else on the left, including you OT, looked the other way, or did the contortionist routine to explain why it wasn't necessary. IT WAS NECESSARY ACCORDING TO THE US CONSTITUTION.

So I ask you, OldBagofWind, did you get as up tight about Obama trampling the US Constitution as you did when you claimed King George had done so?
Or does "your politics" make Obama's trampling of the US Constitution different :???:



Hey, for a communist, you sure post good stuff. :wink:


I wonder if those state employees/contractors were provided with as much military aid as possible at the time. :roll:

The US had half their military in Iraq, and I'm sure their requests for help were not ignored by some ideologue watching in the "situation room" trying to protectt his ass, in an election year, by trying to hide the fact that he was running a rendition camp/secret prison, in some country he should have never been in, contrary to his own executive order.

But then again, he did redefine those prisons, didn't he. I wonder how he redefined waterboarding?
 

Broke Cowboy

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Since you seem to be all bent out of shape over the State Dept deaths in Libya-- answer me a couple of questions....

How many State Dept employees died in Iraq-- and did you get as up tight about all those State Dept employees that died in Iraq as you did with those that died in Libya?
Or does "your politics" make dying different :???:

As far as I'm concerned- we as a country- and they as State Dept employees/contractors should not have been in either country-- until the governments of those countries can guarantee their safety....

My apologies to all for my delayed response - I am just back from Albuquerque - working at Kirtland AFB on a CAS project with some of your folks.

OT - I will answer you the way you usually answer direct questions from others.

Seems I touched a nerve with you OT

Perhaps that is a good thing as you are always so high and mighty righteous and never off the podium for very long.

You can draw your own conclusions as to what I think - I already know your thoughts and opinions

Just know this - I do tend to get off the farm once in a while to find out what happens outside the 25 mile ring around our home place - and despite not being American, I do work very closely with many wonderful folks from your country.

Not too sure about what you do to keep up on things

Not interested in communicating with you any more - I should not have jumped on you because that just means I get tangled up with you.

When you get tangled up with negative folks they tend to drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience

Take a swipe at me OT - free and clear - happy to read it - but that will be all

You now go back on my ignore list

Note to Whitewing - you pretty much nailed it - anyone neglecting their people if at risk is a big no-no in my operation - a sure way to feel the wrath of BC. Lie to me about it and you WILL be behind bars in the nearest military lockup I can find. Stay safe.

Best to all

BC
 
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Broke Cowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
Since you seem to be all bent out of shape over the State Dept deaths in Libya-- answer me a couple of questions....

How many State Dept employees died in Iraq-- and did you get as up tight about all those State Dept employees that died in Iraq as you did with those that died in Libya?
Or does "your politics" make dying different :???:

As far as I'm concerned- we as a country- and they as State Dept employees/contractors should not have been in either country-- until the governments of those countries can guarantee their safety....

My apologies to all for my delayed response - I am just back from Albuquerque - working at Kirtland AFB on a CAS project with some of your folks.

OT - I will answer you the way you usually answer direct questions from others.

Seems I touched a nerve with you OT
Perhaps that is a good thing as you are always so high and mighty righteous and never off the podium for very long.

You can draw your own conclusions as to what I think - I already know your thoughts and opinions

Just know this - I do tend to get off the farm once in a while to find out what happens outside the 25 mile ring around our home place - and despite not being American, I do work very closely with many wonderful folks from your country.

Not too sure about what you do to keep up on things

Not interested in communicating with you any more - I should not have jumped on you because that just means I get tangled up with you.

When you get tangled up with negative folks they tend to drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience

Take a swipe at me OT - free and clear - happy to read it - but that will be all

You now go back on my ignore list

Note to Whitewing - you pretty much nailed it - anyone neglecting their people if at risk is a big no-no in my operation - a sure way to feel the wrath of BC. Lie to me about it and you WILL be behind bars in the nearest military lockup I can find. Stay safe.

Best to all

BC

No nerve touched BC-- just not happy when folks can't follow the rules and try to move political arguments onto ranch talk or one of the other nonpolitical sites....

If there was anything that came close to touching a nerve- that was your defense of someone like Leachman- and his treatment of those animals....
And I will admit- if I was the Judge on that case I would have had to step down as I have a prejudice which comes about from 30-40 years of watching his M.O....

The really sad thing is that this whole Leachman case- the trial - and the pictures of these abused horses has been circulated world wide and have again brought negative publicity to ranching and given the groups like HSUS and PETA tons of ammunition....
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
OT, BC's comment in Ranchtalk was about your morals and honesty, not Leachman's.

why the deflection?

why not defend obama and his actions, in regards to Benghazi, instead of trying to make this about Leachman?

BC didn't defend Leachman and it is another lie, by you, to say he did.


You lie aas much as Leachman and obama.
 
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