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Question for Oldtimer about Ron Paul

Tam

Well-known member
Something has been bothering me for awhile and it has to do with Ron Paul, so maybe Oldtimer you can answer this since you gave him money and voted for him.

First he has been said to be a very principled man.
This is from RON PAUL.COM

He makes it clear that his principles will never be compromised, and they never are.” Another colleague observed, “There are few people in public life who, through thick and thin, rain or shine, stick to their principles. Ron Paul is one of those few.”

But what gets me is even though he identifies himself as a Libertarian.

he sought the presidency of the United States: as the Libertarian Party candidate in 1988

He ran twice in the Republican Primaries for the Republican nomination in 2008 and 2012.

If he is half as PRINCIPLED as he claims why didn't he run in the Primaries against Gary Johnson to win the LIBERTARIAN nomination? :?

He says he NEVER COMPROMISES HIS PRINCIPLES but yet he left his party and joined another and when he didn't win the nomination he was seeking he refused to back his party's nominee.

Looks to me like he is about as Principled as any other Flip Flopper. First he is a Libertarian then he isn't and then he is again.

What say you Oldtimer is Ron Paul being honest about how PRINCIPLED he claimes he is? OR did he flip to a party that he thought would get him a seat in DC so he could push his previous party's agenda?

Just so you know I figure Ron Paul is a RINO and should have run for the party he really identifies with, as that would have been the HONEST PRINCIPLED THING TO DO. :wink:
 
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Anonymous

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Tam said:
Something has been bothering me for awhile and it has to do with Ron Paul, so maybe Oldtimer you can answer this since you gave him money and voted for him.

First he has been said to be a very principled man.
This is from RON PAUL.COM

He makes it clear that his principles will never be compromised, and they never are.” Another colleague observed, “There are few people in public life who, through thick and thin, rain or shine, stick to their principles. Ron Paul is one of those few.”

But what gets me is even though he identifies himself as a Libertarian.

he sought the presidency of the United States: as the Libertarian Party candidate in 1988

He ran twice in the Republican Primaries for the Republican nomination in 2008 and 2012.

If he is half as PRINCIPLED as he claims why didn't he run in the Primaries against Gary Johnson to win the LIBERTARIAN nomination? :?

He says he NEVER COMPROMISES HIS PRINCIPLES but yet he left his party and joined another and when he didn't win the nomination he was seeking he refused to back his party's nominee.

Looks to me like he is about as Principled as any other Flip Flopper. First he is a Libertarian then he isn't and then he is again.

What say you Oldtimer is Ron Paul being honest about how PRINCIPLED he claimes he is? OR did he flip to a party that he thought would get him a seat in DC so he could push his previous party's agenda?

Just so you know I figure Ron Paul is a RINO and should have run for the party he really identifies with, as that would have been the HONEST PRINCIPLED THING TO DO. :wink:

Sorry folks- I don't jump for Tammy Faye like Big Muddy does :wink: -- and I was a little busy today, since the weather finally turned nice..

You can be a libertarian and a Republican at the same time...Libertarianism is more a philosophy than a political party... The Republican party of years past was much more Libertarian than it is today- altho I think the younger generation of Repubs are seeing that living in peoples bedrooms, classrooms, and personal lives is causing them to lose elections and are leaning much more to a individual liberty outlook on social issues...

Libertarianism is a set of related political philosophies that uphold liberty as the highest political end. This includes emphasis on the primacy of individual liberty, political freedom, and voluntary association.

Paul did run as the Libertarian candidate back in 1988- but was elected and served in Congress as a Republican- and this time around said he would not run as a third party candidate- wanting either the Repub nomination or nothing....
 

Tam

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Something has been bothering me for awhile and it has to do with Ron Paul, so maybe Oldtimer you can answer this since you gave him money and voted for him.

First he has been said to be a very principled man.
This is from RON PAUL.COM

He makes it clear that his principles will never be compromised, and they never are.” Another colleague observed, “There are few people in public life who, through thick and thin, rain or shine, stick to their principles. Ron Paul is one of those few.”

But what gets me is even though he identifies himself as a Libertarian.

he sought the presidency of the United States: as the Libertarian Party candidate in 1988

He ran twice in the Republican Primaries for the Republican nomination in 2008 and 2012.

If he is half as PRINCIPLED as he claims why didn't he run in the Primaries against Gary Johnson to win the LIBERTARIAN nomination? :?

He says he NEVER COMPROMISES HIS PRINCIPLES but yet he left his party and joined another and when he didn't win the nomination he was seeking he refused to back his party's nominee.

Looks to me like he is about as Principled as any other Flip Flopper. First he is a Libertarian then he isn't and then he is again.

What say you Oldtimer is Ron Paul being honest about how PRINCIPLED he claimes he is? OR did he flip to a party that he thought would get him a seat in DC so he could push his previous party's agenda?

Just so you know I figure Ron Paul is a RINO and should have run for the party he really identifies with, as that would have been the HONEST PRINCIPLED THING TO DO. :wink:

Sorry folks- I don't jump for Tammy Faye like Big Muddy does :wink: -- and I was a little busy today, since the weather finally turned nice..

You can be a libertarian and a Republican at the same time...Libertarianism is more a philosophy than a political party... The Republican party of years past was much more Libertarian than it is today- altho I think the younger generation of Repubs are seeing that living in peoples bedrooms, classrooms, and personal lives is causing them to lose elections and are leaning much more to a individual liberty outlook on social issues...

Libertarianism is a set of related political philosophies that uphold liberty as the highest political end. This includes emphasis on the primacy of individual liberty, political freedom, and voluntary association.

Paul did run as the Libertarian candidate back in 1988- but was elected and served in Congress as a Republican- and this time around said he would not run as a third party candidate- wanting either the Repub nomination or nothing....

Sorry try again Oldtimer, as the Libertarians have their own political party in the US it is not just a set of related political philosophies. Or did you forget Gary Johnson ran as their candidate. a set of "Related Political Philosophies" don't run candidates PARTIES DO. SO again why did your man of PRINCIPLES abandon a party that he identifies with and run on a ticket that does not jive with his NEVER TO BE COMPROMISED PRINCIPLES?
 

djinwa

Well-known member
I supported Ron Paul, not because he is perfect, but because he most closely supports my philosophy of limited government.

I encountered alot of people over the years that found every excuse to attack the man. I eventually realized that the man wasn't the problem, but that he represented limited government.

It was kind of like my wife saying she really wanted to have sex, but I failed to pick up my socks, so she couldn't. That is how Republicans are - they claim to really want limited government, but by golly, Ron Paul is a hypocrite, so no deal.

You see, most so-called conservatives are scared, so they want government to keep their kids off drugs, and they want farm subsidies, and they want to bomb some third world country and rack up debt.

Ron Paul was such a threat to their big government ideals that they had to find something wrong with him. I read Republicans that even wanted him dead.

He isn't even in the picture, but some think they still need to squash him. Well if you need more material, I once made this list of criticisms and name calling of the man. I just added the point that leaving the libertarian party makes him unprincipled. Certainly we don't want to challenge the principles of those who rigged the two party system!

Yep, all the trillions of dollars we've wasted, trashing the Constitution, and Ron Paul is the problem!

Doddering fool
Nut, nutcase, nutty
Lying liar
Crazy
Idiot
Crazy idiot
Old
Senile
Cranky
Not presidential
Gets angry
Bad hair
Poor speaker
Rambles incoherently
Out of touch with reality
Suits are rumpled
Wears Velcro shoes
Does not stand up straight
Has a rusty tractor
Investment profits from system he fights against
Gold standard nut
Extremist
Outside the mainstream
RINO
Racist
Made money from racist newsletter
Anti-church
Anti-Christian
Anti-Israel, anti-Semite, anti-Jew
Against education and children
Against marriage
Against people with AIDS
Against gays
Against healthcare
Wants people to die in streets
Wants everyone addicted to drugs
Isolationist
Against the troops
Against national defense
Supports the terrorists
Blames America
Weak on foreign policy
Wants another Hitler
Wants Iran to nuke us
Conspiracy theorist
9/11 truther
Lacks compassion
Against the elderly and the poor
Hypocrite – gets earmarks
Unelectable
Unfairly affects polls, surveys, voting
Buys off other campaign’s chairman
Not a leader
Never accomplished anything
Did not pass legislation
Unprincipled - left libertarian party
Supporters are:
Rude
Minions
Crazy
Fanatical
Cult worshippers
Koolaid drinkers
Zombies
Robotic non-thinkers (Paulbots)
Spammers and trollers
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Establishment Republicans are like that, yep. Some of us here have been saying that for years.

Bush was too liberal in his spending and the Neocons moved the party left. That too, has been said many times here in the past few years.

Are the "so called Conservatives" you speak of...are they true Conservatives, or just labelled as such by the media?

who in particular are you speaking of?
 

Tam

Well-known member
djinwa most Republicans might have taken a serious look at Ron Paul if he had not had such a DANGEROUS Foreign policy. You know the one that says Iran is not a threat to anyone even if they do get a nuke. Everyone in the rest of the world is scare of that idea but Old Ron baby not so much. :roll: Personally I believe if he had a different view of a VERY DANGEROUS COUNTRY he might have had a chance but nobody that cares about the safety of the World is going to vote for a guy with BLINDERS On.

And as far as the Principles He was the one claiming he never compromises his principles. and he was the one that turn his back on his party, The Libertarians, FOR A SEAT IN DC. But did he push the policies of his new party, the Republicans, no he got his seat and set out pushing his own agenda. He used the Republicans to get a seat he was not going to get under the Libertarian banner and when the Republicans didn't back his run for the Presidency, he took his ball and went back to his original party.

And if he is willing to do this what other PRINCIPLES was he willing to compromise to push his agenda? :?

Then you have that DANGEROUS Foreign Policy again with his claims to never compromise his principles Would he compromise them if Iran got a nuke and sent it flying into a US ally's country like they have openly claimed they would do. Would he admit he was wrong and defend the World from a threat that he was for warned of by nearly everyone else on the planet? :roll:
 

Larrry

Well-known member
djinwa said:
You see, most so-called conservatives are scared, so they want government to keep their kids off drugs, and they want farm subsidies, and they want to bomb some third world country and rack up debt.

Ron Paul was such a threat to their big government ideals that they had to find something wrong with him. I read Republicans that even wanted him dead.

Doddering fool
Nut, nutcase, nutty
Lying liar
Crazy
Idiot
Crazy idiot
Old
Senile
Cranky
Not presidential
Gets angry
Bad hair
Poor speaker
Rambles incoherently
Out of touch with reality
Suits are rumpled
Wears Velcro shoes
Does not stand up straight
Has a rusty tractor
Investment profits from system he fights against
Gold standard nut
Extremist
Outside the mainstream
RINO
Racist
Made money from racist newsletter
Anti-church
Anti-Christian
Anti-Israel, anti-Semite, anti-Jew
Against education and children
Against marriage
Against people with AIDS
Against gays
Against healthcare
Wants people to die in streets
Wants everyone addicted to drugs
Isolationist
Against the troops
Against national defense
Supports the terrorists
Blames America
Weak on foreign policy
Wants another Hitler
Wants Iran to nuke us
Conspiracy theorist
9/11 truther
Lacks compassion
Against the elderly and the poor
Hypocrite – gets earmarks
Unelectable
Unfairly affects polls, surveys, voting
Buys off other campaign’s chairman
Not a leader
Never accomplished anything
Did not pass legislation
Unprincipled - left libertarian party
Supporters are:
Rude
Minions
Crazy
Fanatical
Cult worshippers
Koolaid drinkers
Zombies
Robotic non-thinkers (Paulbots)
Spammers and trollers

I don't want the government to keep my kids off drugs. Just don't try and stand in my way of doing it or let drug dealers roam free with no repurcusions for their actions
I don't want farm subsidies, its the govermnet that want the farm subsidies for control. However if they get rid of farm subsides there are many and I mean many other subsidies to end. Just don't attack one segment of the country.
I don't want him to just go bomb some country but as Pres it is his job to protect this country.

The list of excuses doesn't sound like anything ive ever heard unlees it was some lib throwing it out. I don't hear a true conservative throwing those out.

Please do not try to define me so you can attack me. Your accusations do not fit me
 
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