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Bill

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Oldtimer said:
Murgen said:
Where are you getting that from, Murg?

OIE quote

Regarding the BSE situation in the European Union and more recently in Japan, Canada and the US, the existence of valid up-to-date standards did not prevent major trade disruptions due to a failure by many countries to apply the international standard when establishing or revising their import policies. This has been particularly evident in the case of commodities for which the Code recommends that no restrictions be applied, regardless of the BSE status of the exporting country.



January 2004

Murgen- One major problem- we are also dealing with live cattle, that the OIE does have restriction recommendations on....
And what are the OIE restrictions on live cattle from countries with BSE going into other countries with BSE?

Notice I wrote OIE restrictions.
 
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Anonymous

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Bill said:
Oldtimer said:
Murgen said:
OIE quote



Murgen- One major problem- we are also dealing with live cattle, that the OIE does have restriction recommendations on....
And what are the OIE restrictions on live cattle from countries with BSE going into other countries with BSE?

Notice I wrote OIE restrictions.

I think its dependant on your OIE status according to OIE's newly adopted rating system.....
 

Murgen

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Murgen- One major problem- we are also dealing with live cattle, that the OIE does have restriction recommendations on....

You were a little slow, so I looked it for you, here's the quote:

Commoditymeans animals, products of animal origin intended for human consumption, for animal feeding, for pharmaceutical or surgical use or for agricultural or industrial use, semen, embryos/ova, biological products and pathological material.
 

Bill

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Oldtimer said:
Bill said:
Oldtimer said:
And what are the OIE restrictions on live cattle from countries with BSE going into other countries with BSE?

Notice I wrote OIE restrictions.

I think its dependant on your OIE status according to OIE's newly adopted rating system.....
NO. You said there was one major problem and that it dealt with the OIE restrictions.

What is the problem as it relates to the OIE restrictions on live cattle????????
 

Murgen

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What would you think if you were taking a medicine and there was a risk of turning into a flaming homosexual by ingesting it. Would you continue to take it if your regulatory agency said there was a "low" chance of that happening, and then couldn't define what "low" meant? Would you continue to take it and ridicule those who questioned that agency?

Looks like the US has learned that they are being judged by the world. They seem to be following the OIE standards very closely.

OIE quote.

Both qualitative risk assessment and quantitative risk assessment methods are valid

Qualitative risk assessment
means an assessment where the outputs on the likelihood of the outcome or the magnitude of the consequences are expressed in qualitative terms such as ‘high’, ‘medium’, ‘low’ or ‘negligible’.
 

Econ101

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bse tester's $20 test could have solved this problem but it obviously doesn't play well for the big player's concentration game.
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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Sandhusker said:
but as far as I'm concerned, they still don't know if your beef is safe or not.

Its not so much your views that concern me but rather I take exception to R-Calf's position that our beef is 'unsafe' (not saying its yours, but those are the R-Calf press releases). We've found more positive cases of BSE than the US, however we've also tested a greater percentage of our herd. We found a source of the post-feed ban contamination, while the US still doesn't have a feedban in place, nor even an effective way to track positive animals and their herdmates. We have full transparency on any animals found with BSE, while the USDA already covered up a positive for 7 (or was it 9?) months, bringing into question their honesty and integrity. I know its made some of us up north question how many other positives have been found that were buried.

So for R-Calf to question our beef as safe or unsafe is a slap in the face to many of us, especially those of us who actually carried on business with R-Calf members pre-BSE.

Rod
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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Oldtimer said:
Wasn't it just last week that Korea said they didn't want to accept US beef until they had assurances we could segregate off CANADIAN beef....

OT, you may want to careful about the inferences you're drawing from Korea wanting to be able to segregate Canadian beef from US. I believe you're trying to infer (and correct me if I'm wrong) that Korea wants to segregate Canadian beef because its not as safe as US beef, however the flaw in your logic is that Korea is ACCEPTING Canadian beef.

A facetious side of me wants to say its because they trust our beef, but not US beef. However, lets look at it logically: They want to be able to separate US and Canadian beef just in case there is a change in the BSE status of EITHER country.

Rod
 

Murgen

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bse tester's $20 test could have solved this problem but it obviously doesn't play well for the big player's concentration game.

Econ, please explain how lost trade has helped in concentration?

I'll start a new thread!
 

Sandhusker

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Murgen said:
What would you think if you were taking a medicine and there was a risk of turning into a flaming homosexual by ingesting it. Would you continue to take it if your regulatory agency said there was a "low" chance of that happening, and then couldn't define what "low" meant? Would you continue to take it and ridicule those who questioned that agency?

Looks like the US has learned that they are being judged by the world. They seem to be following the OIE standards very closely.

OIE quote.

Both qualitative risk assessment and quantitative risk assessment methods are valid

Qualitative risk assessment
means an assessment where the outputs on the likelihood of the outcome or the magnitude of the consequences are expressed in qualitative terms such as ‘high’, ‘medium’, ‘low’ or ‘negligible’.


They can hang their qualitative risk assessment out the window because I don't buy it. Would you take medicine with a "low" chance of becoming a flaming homo? Would you send your kid to camp if there was a "low" chance of him/her drowning? Answer me, Murg, would you? Would that be good enough for you? I was complaining to a buddy of mine who lives in Florida about the high humidity here once - it was 50%. He laughed at me and said that was low. So what the heck was our humidity, high or low? According to the OIE, either is acceptable. If that is the logic of the OIE, you can have them, I don't want to be a part of it.

The other quote you got from them, "This has been particularly evident in the case of commodities for which the Code recommends that no restrictions be applied, regardless of the BSE status of the exporting country." also makes no common sense.

Doesn't this mean that they would of recommended never closing down to England in spite of all the cases they had there? Would you of knowingly fed your family English beef when they were finding cases in the triple digits? Like I said before, if this is what comes from the OIE, I don't want any part of them, I'd rather follow SH. He makes more sense than these recommendations do.
 
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DiamondSCattleCo said:
Oldtimer said:
Wasn't it just last week that Korea said they didn't want to accept US beef until they had assurances we could segregate off CANADIAN beef....

OT, you may want to careful about the inferences you're drawing from Korea wanting to be able to segregate Canadian beef from US. I believe you're trying to infer (and correct me if I'm wrong) that Korea wants to segregate Canadian beef because its not as safe as US beef, however the flaw in your logic is that Korea is ACCEPTING Canadian beef.

A facetious side of me wants to say its because they trust our beef, but not US beef. However, lets look at it logically: They want to be able to separate US and Canadian beef just in case there is a change in the BSE status of EITHER country.

Rod

Rod- Do you have the link to the rule opening trade between Canada and South Korea? What are they taking?
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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I'm too whupped to go back and look OT, but it was mentioned on Ranchers in the BSE testing threads (I think.) I'll see if I can dig it up tomorrow after m'lady and my son are back from the hospital tomorrow. I'll actually hit to some official cattle websites just in case the stuff posted here was wrong.

Rod
 

Murgen

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Rod, if you don't mind, I can save you some time.

North Korea is taking Canadian beef, South Korea will open about the same time as they open to the US.
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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:oops: Ah hell, wrong Korea.

My point still stands, although somewhat more shakily: Just because South Korea wants segregation, its a mistake to assume that it means its because they feel our beef is unsafe, versus simply being able to differentiate between the two countries beef in case BSE status changes in either country.

Rod
 
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Anonymous

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DiamondSCattleCo said:
I'm too whupped to go back and look OT, but it was mentioned on Ranchers in the BSE testing threads (I think.) I'll see if I can dig it up tomorrow after m'lady and my son are back from the hospital tomorrow.

Rod


You'll really be whupped then :roll: :lol: You can spend your nights with a bottle in one hand and typing on the computer with the other :lol: :lol:
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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Oldtimer said:
You'll really be whupped then :roll: :lol: You can spend your nights with a bottle in one hand and typing on the computer with the other :lol: :lol:

<chuckle> he's breast feeding. No work for me :) Just been running back and forth between Nipawin and Melfort every day since Friday, and I'm well worn out.

Rod
 

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