Econ101 said:
MRJ said:
Econ, re. Schroeder's Demand Report, (from at least 5 years ago). Did you ask the cattle producers who asked for that report about it? Did you even know that it was and is cattle producers who decide what the Beef Checkoff shall fund and why? Do you believe (or admit) that it is entirely cattle producers who control the Beef Checkoff, with the USDA function ONLY to assure the law is followed?
Also, you are connecting that report to a court case unrelated to the reasons for Checkoff leaders funded the report, in your silly little game of attempting to "trap" Agman in some way only your fertile brain is privy to. HOW or WHY does your scheme validate your claim that the report is "bogus"?????
Why would you think I don't care about "cattlemens' concerns"? My family makes our living from raising cattle. Do you? Not all cattlemen have the same concerns. Some of us believe there is opportunity and we make our own 'luck' by adding value to our cattle, while others have been led to believe that only by stopping imports, and donating money to hire attorneys to file lawsuits can cattlemen make a living. Two different philosophies operating in cattle production, and we don't belong to the 'blamers club'.
MRJ
MRJ, I do talk to myself from time to time to actually think about the world instead of just taking someone else's "expert" opinion. And yes, I did ask about the report. Thank you for seeing that time is an important factor in looking at the data. You do get at least a few things right from time to time, but your knack for not putting it all together is astonishing.
Are you saying that checkoff funded research can be done with little or no standard? Why the differing standards between the checkoff spent money and the court's acceptance of the "expert". Who to believe should be left up to the jury in this country, not overturned by an elite hand picked set of judges that were appointed and owe their advancement to a political party that is paid off by industry. Do you even believe in America anymore or are sold out to self interest and corporate influence?
I am glad you believe you are doing the right thing in the cattle business. It is part of your job to do the best you can do. It is too bad you can not think for the benefit of producers as a whole instead of your outdated NCBA cheerleading beliefs. A vigorous debate on this subject is healthy for the industry and puts a light on the same methods Tyson has used in its other industy takeovers. I am sorry you can not see it. There are some people just like that.
You mentioned that your family makes a living off of raising cattle. Does that make you an expert in the economic reports being issued? Do you even know any economics? Using your status to defend something you don't understand eats away at your credibility.
Have you read the OIG report yet?
Sometimes you need to look at the facts before drawing conclusions. Maybe you should try talking to yourself instead of taking NCBA propaganda as the gospel truth. Its called THINKING INDEPENDENTLY!!
Econ, maybe you spend too much time "talking" to yourself! Your "self" obviously could use some input from those who are actually making a living from various segments of the cattle/beef industry as well as from those who successfully study trends in all aspects of cattle and beef production and consumption and advise competent cattle producers (Agman is one of the best in that field!).
You little put-downs and insults and "instructions" are uselessly boring, except for them being indicative of your personality traits.
Checkoff funded research has high standards, set within the rules and regulations of the law. BTW, you fail again, to understand that it is the Cattlemens Beef Board, rather than NCBA in control of the Beef Checkoff.
Why do you insist on tying that particular study to your court case? The study had the purpose of learning why beef demand was the way it was at the time and in previous years. Period. That information, helped to enable checkoff projects designed to increase that Demand picture even more rapidly than projected.
You cut "self interest" and seem to praise socialistic methods of business as superior to the Private Enterprise system which has made individuals in this nation so successful. Why do you want to tear down our successful business systems? Socialism is not the American way, and you are off-base implying that I do not believe in America anymore. Maybe you need to check your own understanding of Patriotism and loving America!
So far as who is "an expert" in economic reports, surely there are many who do not believe you are one. You claim to be involved in the cattle business, yet many things you say make it quite apparent you have learned much of what you claim as your knowledge, right here on this websiter rather than from your own experience or study.!
You really don't need to tear down NCBA or the ranchers who are members of that group in order to build yourself, IF you have any real knowledge of the cattle/beef industry or the economics thereof. Disagreements in philosophy do not require to continually put us down to build your own arguments up, IF you have any substance to them.
Poor guy, you must need something to boost your confidence pretty badly if you need to resort to such efforts on this website.
MRJ