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Quote of the day by Dianne Feinstein

Soapweed

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Quote of the day by Dianne Feinstein

Dianne Feinstein: "All vets are mentally ill and government should prevent them from owning firearms". Some times even the L.A. Times gets it right.

Kurt Nimmo: "Senator Feinstein insults all U.S. Veterans as she flays
about in a vain attempt to save her bill."

Quote of the Day from the Los Angeles Times:

"Frankly, I don't know what it is about California, but we seem to have a strange urge to elect really obnoxious women to high office. I'm not bragging, you understand, but no other state, including Maine, even comes close. When it comes to sending left-wing dingbats to Washington, we're Number One. There's no getting around the fact that the last time anyone saw the likes of Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Maxine Waters, and Nancy Pelosi, they were stirring a cauldron when the curtain went up on 'Macbeth'.
The four of them are like jackasses who happen to possess the gift of blab.
You don't know if you should condemn them for their stupidity or simply marvel at their ability to form words."
-- Columnist Burt Prelutsky, Los Angeles Times
 

LauraC

New member
It is very simple and quick to verify whether or not something is or is not true. Ever hear of CSPAN?
'Mike' who wrote " Look for "Burt" to be fired or transferred to some small town newspaper". For starters, his name is Kurt, not Burt or BErt. No one has to wait for Kurt Nimmo to be 'transferred to some small town newspaper' because HE'S ALREADY THERE. This article did NOT appear in the LA Times. (Don't take my word for it - LOOK for it and you won't find it) It was in a March 8 publication of "Real Clear Politics" which happens to BE a SMALL town publication.
For anyone who really cares about annoying things such as truth or facts above and beyond their political affiliation, here you go:

Senator Feinstein stated neither that ‘all vets are mentally ill” nor that “the government should prevent (veterans) from owning firearms”.

What she did say was (in her opinion) creating an exception in an assault weapons ban (NOT a general firearms ban) for retired military personnel was unadvisable due to both the prevalence of PTSD and the difficulty in verifying it and that the bill should THEREFORE include a provision of screening out ‘mentally incapacitated’ veterans.
The truth shall set you free. Do not stop looking for the truth, EVER. And stop assuming everything you read on the internet IS true. CHECK and verify - always before opening mouth and insterting foot.
 

Whitewing

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It was in a March 8 publication of "Real Clear Politics" which happens to BE a SMALL town publication.

I thought Real Clear Politics was a very popular website that links both conservative and liberal-leaning articles, videos, opinion pieces, polls, etc.

Here's the link I always use to look at their site:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
 

Whitewing

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For starters, his name is Kurt, not Burt or BErt.

For anyone who really cares about annoying things such as truth or facts above and beyond their political affiliation, here you go

From the quoted post:

-- Columnist Burt Prelutsky, Los Angeles Times

Glass houses come to mind.
 

Mike

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Feinstein explained: “The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder), which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transferer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this. I think you have to – if you’re going to do this, find a way that veterans who are incapacitated for one reason or another mentally, don’t have access to this kind of weapon."

Let's put what she said in perspective:

I watched the debate in the Senate Committee and the Amendments put forth and voted upon.

When Sen. Cornyn wanted to add an Amendment to to her "Assault Weapons Ban" to include military and Ex-military to her "Retired Law Enforcement Exemption" she had in her Bill, she adamantly opposed it by using the "PTSD" lie in her argument. The Democrats shot down Cornyn's Amendment.

Whether or not this post includes an exact quote by Feinstein is irrelevant.

She does not trust ex-military people with her supposed definition of "Assault Weapons" and wants to exclude them from owning them. That much is clear.
 

hopalong

Well-known member
She is an idiot :D :D And no amount of your defending her will change that...
must be one of oldtimers on line girl friends :wink: :wink:
 

Whitewing

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Big Muddy rancher said:
I think Laura ha her "Burt's " and her Kurt's" mixed up. :roll:

Indeed. And I'm still trying to figure out what same town rag is called Real Clear Politics.

Laura should take a deep breath, exhale, then post. :D
 

Faster horses

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Whitewing said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
I think Laura ha her "Burt's " and her Kurt's" mixed up. :roll:

Indeed. And I'm still trying to figure out what same town rag is called Real Clear Politics.

Laura should take a deep breath, exhale, then post. :D

Especially when she posts here. :lol: :lol: :p :wink: :?
 

Steve

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The Senator said, "The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this.

Translation? All vets suffer from PTSD; PTSD makes them crazy; crazy people can’t get guns.
"

Feinstein is as dumb as a board.. ill informed and ignorant...

PTSD has been around and known about for decades.. and was officially recognized in 1980..


In 1980, the American Psychiatric Association added PTSD to the third edition of its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-III) nosologic classification scheme.

Feinstein also exempted ex law enforcement.. who has a high PTSD rate them selves

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Rates of PTSD in police forces are therefore likely to be four to six times higher than in the general public. Rates of PTSD symptoms in professional fire-fighters may be as high as 18%.

should raped abused woman and children be singled out as well?

as I said.. Feinstein is the brightest liberal politician from California..









esinoski also said DAV is concerned because Feinstein’s remarks perpetuate the assumed linkage between PTSD and violence.

"We do not believe an assumption should be made based on anecdotal evidence that an individual diagnosed with PTSD should automatically be considered incapable of governing one’s anger and thoughts of violence," he wrote. "This kind of assumption fosters the social stigma and discrimination that challenges individuals in their efforts towards mental health rehabilitation and recovery."

That stigma has caused active-duty troops to try to hide problems from commanders and has long been a reason veterans avoid seeking help, he said. The DAV has been working against "all forms of stigma, especially if it is influenced by misinformation, lack of information or fear of the unknown," he said.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/03/12/vet-group-responds-to-proposed-ptsd-gun-limits.html

labeling every one with any sort of mental illness as crazy or unfit is wrong..

each should be evaluated by their actions.. and not by some dingbat's ill informed stupid ideas..
 

Steve

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An estimated eight percent 8%) of Americans will experience PTSD at some point in their lives. Women are twice as likely as men to develop PTSD.

A national study of American civilians estimated that the lifetime prevalence of PTSD was 5% in men and 10% in women.

Every law enforcement officer has been or will be involved with a traumatic event, often an uncountable number of traumatic events, by the nature of the job. The details of these events would stagger the average citizen. PTSD statistics for law enforcement officers are hard to obtain, but range from 4-14%. The discrepancy in this range may be due to underreporting.

Approximately 30% of the men and women who have spent time in war zones experience PTSD.

the number of vets with PTSD is often quoted at 30% with the combat zone part dropped off.. skewing the number

I don't know the exact percentage of vets who served in combat zones compared to those who have not seen combat.. but would estimate that it is about half or less..

making it about 15% with PTSD .. about the same as police.. and less then firemen..
 

Whitewing

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PTSD has been around and known about for decades.. and was officially recognized in 1980..

Yes, but it's much easier for one to indirectly blame a Bush if PTSD got its start after the Iraq war...any Iraq war. Please try to keep up.
 

Mike

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Whitewing said:
PTSD has been around and known about for decades.. and was officially recognized in 1980..

Yes, but it's much easier for one to indirectly blame a Bush if PTSD got its start after the Iraq war...any Iraq war. Please try to keep up.

"Soldier's Heart - Da Costa's Syndrome" & "Shell Shock" have been around since the War Of Northern Aggression. They're both mental problems associated with war.

They just keep changing the name........................
 

Whitewing

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Mike said:
Whitewing said:
PTSD has been around and known about for decades.. and was officially recognized in 1980..

Yes, but it's much easier for one to indirectly blame a Bush if PTSD got its start after the Iraq war...any Iraq war. Please try to keep up.

"Soldier's Heart - Da Costa's Syndrome" & "Shell Shock" have been around since the War Of Northern Aggression. They're both mental problems associated with war.

They just keep changing the name........................

Isn't Bush's family from Massachusetts? Hmmmm.
 
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