R-CALF bashers question

[Sandhusker]

Once again, I'm caught in a pig wrestling match.... :roll:

SH,"100% testing of cattle less than 30 months of age would not reveal anything. That was USDA's reason gave repeatedly."

Finally, you say something factual! Now where in those words is anything about advertising?

Sand: "When have US businesses had to justify their marketing to the government?"

SH, "WHAT?????? Nutrition labels are mandated and enforced by the government. There is laws to protect consumers from false advertising that are enforced by the government. Drugs have to go through expensive research and testing before they can meet FDA approval. Surgeon general warnings are mandated by the government. WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN????? "

Yep, you're right. However, those are all for product destined for consumption in the US. The USDA was ruling on product for Japan. SH, Japan is another country, not subject to our laws. See, as their own country, they get to make their own laws. :wink:

Sand: "Again, NOT WHAT THEY TOLD CONGRESS!"

SH, "Bullcrap! USDA has continually stated to congress what BSE precautionary measures have been taken in the U.S. and referenced the research those measures were based on. Quit lying about USDA. "

Quit ignoring the fact that the policy the USDA presented to Congress included closing the border to BSE positive countries. What "research" are you talking about? I asked you to show me that research and you could't bring it up.

Sand: "SOME PROOF! "My brother in law said....."

SH, "Discredit!"

Thats what you get with such a weak arguement. You backed a statement of "consumers demanded" with "I talked to a few people"? Come on, that's the most feeble attemt I have witnessed here.

SH, "You prove your allegation against USDA that they did not "take the time to determine the risk level to measure any possible effects a deadly disease that decimated Europe's cattle industry might have in this country." You cannot back that allegation just like most of your baseless allegations. "

I'll make it simple for a simple mind. Canada found BSE in May. The USDA cracked the border open in August. Any risk study would of needed to be done between those dates. There is no way in hell a study of the magnitude needed for such a decision could of been made in that time period. It's no wonder there is none.

SH, "What you are saying is that you want ADDITIONAL research to prolong the opening of the Canadian border. Why don't you deceivers come clean for once?"

I'm saying I want research PERIOD! THERE WAS NONE AND YOU CONTINUALLY SKIRT THAT TRUTH! WHERE IS IT SH? ON WHAT DATE WAS IT PRESENTED?

Sand: "Like you backing your "consumers demanding the border be opened" arguement with "I talked to several people"?

sH, "More deception from you."

I'M deceiving? SH, a few people I talked to would like to see their beef wrapped in pink foil. By your reasoning, I can accurately state that consumers are demanding it? :lol: :lol:

SH, "Your "who was leaning against USDA" question transforms into my "consumers demanding the border be opened" right before our very eyes. Great job Sandbeenie, master illusionist. You fooled yourself again. "

You mean the few people you talked to? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
SH, "The issue is whether you are willing to live by the standards you set for Canada if their BSE shoe was on our foot. Not some other countries standards that were imposed on the U.S. to allow for our exports."

If you're not talking about export standards, what standards are you talking about?

SH, "You have R-CULT's divertion and deception down to a science. You really should vie for an officer's position with R-CULT. Your divertion and deception tactics would be the envy of any deceptive organization."

Thank you, SH. I just might get more involved.

I've had enough wrestling today. Mike, you feel like getting dirty?

 

[Anonymous]

Sand: "Finally, you say something factual! Now where in those words is anything about advertising?"

Oh, I see, so if USDA didn't mention anything about advertising in "THOSE WORDS" then it must be ok to set an unwarranted BSE presidence huh?

Hahaha!

Amazing what you can justify with a little deceptive imagination huh?


Sand: "However, those are all for product destined for consumption in the US. The USDA was ruling on product for Japan. SH, Japan is another country, not subject to our laws. See, as their own country, they get to make their own laws."

Are you suggesting that we can deceive foreign customers with false advertising since our rules only apply to our consumers?

At least you finally acknowledge the fact that Japan's rules are not USDA's rules when you have been trying to tell us that USDA changed their position by agreeing to Japan's rules. I guess that's a start in your education on these issues.


Sand: "Quit ignoring the fact that the policy the USDA presented to Congress included closing the border to BSE positive countries. What "research" are you talking about? I asked you to show me that research and you could't bring it up."

Quit ignoring the fact that Canada has taken the necessary BSE precautionary measures recommende by the OIE to allow trade to continue.

THE SAME DAMN PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO EXPORT IF THE CANADIAN BSE SHOE WERE ON OUR FOOT!

Being the "live for the moment and to hell with the consequences" hypocrite you are, you want to ignore that fact.

Once again, I am not going to do your homework for you and provide you with all the research that various countries have conducted that resulted in the USDA's decision to implement the BSE precautionary measures that we have taken to guarantee that our product is safe from BSE. You know, those "firewalls" that Leo McDonnell says assure that our beef is safe WHICH ARE THE SAME FIREWALLS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE IN CANADA.

Why don't you ask your own organization for the research since they also believe the firewalls we have in place assure the safety of our beef WHICH ARE THE SAME FIREWALLS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE IN CANADA.


Sand: "You backed a statement of "consumers demanded" with "I talked to a few people"? Come on, that's the most feeble attemt I have witnessed here."

Sand: "SH, a few people I talked to would like to see their beef wrapped in pink foil. By your reasoning, I can accurately state that consumers are demanding it?"

Don't tell me that you are so completely naive that you think the average consumer would want to pay more for their beef rather than less?

Gosh you really are a lost cause.


Sand: "Canada found BSE in May. The USDA cracked the border open in August. Any risk study would of needed to be done between those dates. There is no way in hell a study of the magnitude needed for such a decision could of been made in that time period. It's no wonder there is none."

The research on the effectiveness of increased surveilance, SRM removal, and the ruminant feed ban had already been done.

What you are wanting is more studies to simply prolong the closing of the Canadian border while being unwilling to live by those same standards if that shoe was on our foot.

You are a true R-CULTer. Pathetic enough to be able to take advantage of the Canadian producer for a small short term economic gain with standards that you would not be willing to live with if Canada's shoes were on our foot.

With your deceptive mind, you'll be able to justify it just like you try to console the Canadian producer with "this isn't about Canada, this is about USDA" while you support an organization whose leader states that Canada is still processing downer cows.

YOU BET SANDHUSKER!

Cleanse that conscience!


Sand: "I'm saying I want research PERIOD! THERE WAS NONE AND YOU CONTINUALLY SKIRT THAT TRUTH! WHERE IS IT SH? ON WHAT DATE WAS IT PRESENTED?"

That is an out and out lie!

If SRM removal, increased surveilance, and the ruminant feed ban was not backed up with research, WHY THE HECK DID THE OIE RECOMMEND IT????

Did you think they just pulled it out of thin air?????

What you are basically saying is that the firewalls that we have in place in the U.S., that Leo says assure the safety of our product, were not backed up with research. Wow, it looks like you and Leo better compare notes.

With that, you are swinging from the weakest branches at the top of the tree.


Sand: "If you're not talking about export standards, what standards are you talking about?"

Diversion!

You know exactly what I am talking about!

If we had a domestic case of BSE, would you want USDA to conduct lengthy studies to determine whether SRM removal, increased surveilance, and the ruminant feed ban assures that our beef is safe?

Would you want our export markets to use the same tactics against the U.S. that R-CULT is using against Canada?


You can live with your own double standards. I will not set a standard for Canada that I am unwilling to live by with our export markets let alone our domestic consumers.


Sand: "Thank you, SH. I just might get more involved."

I have no doubts you will. Bullard has nothing on you when it comes to skirting an issue and redirection.

Unfortunately for you, I can see right through it and I don't have any tolerance for it.

I look forward to the day you can answer my YES or NO questions in a public forum to reveal your hypocritical positions.



~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

SH, "I look forward to the day you can answer my YES or NO questions in a public forum to reveal your hypocritical positions. "

You name it. Bring your parachute, I'll have you so far up a tree the only way down will be to jump.