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R-CALF in Arkansas- M-ID Policy

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Anonymous

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Today 7/25/2006 4:06:00 PM


R-CALF: Southeastern Membership Chair Addresses 300 in Arkansas



Conway, Ark. – R-CALF USA Southeastern Membership Chair Joel Gill recently spoke to a crowd of more than 300 people about USDA’s proposed National Animal Identification System (NAIS) as a guest of the Arkansas Animal Producer’s Association (ARAPA).



“R-CALF does not support a mandatory Animal ID program, nor a centralized database,” said Gill, of Pickens, Miss. “R-CALF does support a voluntary animal health traceback system that ensures the protection of individual data and one that incorporates existing identification systems, such as brand programs.



We are working to implement Mandatory Country-of-Origin Labeling (M-COOL) so consumers will have access to more information about the origin of their beef,” he noted. “Independent U.S. cattle producers need to be able to market the fact that they produce the safest, most wholesome and best tasting beef in the world under the best of conditions.”



Jane Williams, of Bluffton, organized the event and said that for many people, the meeting was an eye-opener.



“Everyone there, for the most part, was against NAIS,” she said. “The purpose of the meeting was to form ARAPA, and to inform the public about NAIS,” continued Williams. “We want to work with other organizations, such as R-CALF.



“We had people drive more than six hours for the meeting, and everyone appreciated it because we are working to find solutions,” she noted.



“R-CALF is on the right track because it is working to see that our cattle and beef aren't commingled with other countries' cattle and beef," said R-CALF USA Arkansas Membership Chair Bill Adams. "We would have our South Korean market back if we had Mandatory COOL in place and could separate USA beef from Canadian beef.”



Adams said area producers also are very concerned about USDA's proposal to make Animal ID mandatory.
 

Murgen

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“Everyone there, for the most part, was against NAIS,” she said. “The purpose of the meeting was to form ARAPA, and to inform the public about NAIS,” continued Williams. “We want to work with other organizations, such as R-CALF.

All 300, that must be the majority of US cattle producers!
 

Tommy

Well-known member
Murgen...All 300, that must be the majority of US cattle producers!


What are you saying? Three hundred producers in one meeting in the middle of Arkansas is a pretty big number for a meeting, but what does it have to do with the majority of US cattle producers??
 
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Anonymous

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R-CALF wants "M"COOL
R-CALF opposes "M"ID
R-CALF prohibited "M"ID from "M"COOL

"M"ID IS REQUIRED TO ENFORCE "M"COOL!


"Oh what tangled webs R-CALF weaves"

The blind leading the blind!


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
R-CALF wants "M"COOL
R-CALF opposes "M"ID
R-CALF prohibited "M"ID from "M"COOL

"M"ID IS REQUIRED TO ENFORCE "M"COOL!


"Oh what tangled webs R-CALF weaves"

The blind leading the blind!


~SH~

All foreign beef is labeled as to country of origin when it hits our borders. Canadian and Mexican live cattle are branded as such. Exactly what can't you ID?
 
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Anonymous

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Sandbag,

Oh, so you are saying you trust the packers to label the beef as Canadian and Mexican without a traceback system to enforce it?

Yet another self-contradicting position.


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Sandbag,

Oh, so you are saying you trust the packers to label the beef as Canadian and Mexican without a traceback system to enforce it?

Yet another self-contradicting position.


~SH~

Are you saying you don't trust them to label correctly? What can't you ID?
 

Murgen

Well-known member
What are you saying? Three hundred producers in one meeting in the middle of Arkansas is a pretty big number for a meeting, but what does it have to do with the majority of US cattle producers??

I'm sure some came for the coffee and donuts!
 
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Anonymous

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ANSWER THE QUESTION SANDBAG!

DO YOU TRUST PACKERS TO LABEL CANADIAN BEEF AND MEXICAN BEEF ACCURATELY WITHOUT A TRACEBACK SYSTEM TO ENFORCE COUNTRY OR ORIGIN LABELING???

YES OR NO


Either you trust the packers to label beef accurately or you don't!

Which way is it Sandbag?


~SH~
 

HAY MAKER

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Sandbag,

Oh, so you are saying you trust the packers to label the beef as Canadian and Mexican without a traceback system to enforce it?

Yet another self-contradicting position.


~SH~

SH I am sayin I trust the packers to comply with labeling laws,as they know it would take about 15 minutes for someone there in the plant to make a phone call.
Its the reason they are fighting M COOL so hard,they have preyed and capitalized on old laws with shades of gray long enough,its time for M COOL & the Captive supply Reform act.............good luck
 
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Anonymous

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HAY MAKER said:
~SH~ said:
Sandbag,

Oh, so you are saying you trust the packers to label the beef as Canadian and Mexican without a traceback system to enforce it?

Yet another self-contradicting position.


~SH~

SH I am sayin I trust the packers to comply with labeling laws,as they know it would take about 15 minutes for someone there in the plant to make a phone call.
Its the reason they are fighting M COOL so hard,they have preyed and capitalized on old laws with shades of gray long enough,its time for M COOL & the Captive supply Reform act.............good luck

And with all the current lot and manifest requirements that have to stay with food to retail- it can all be verified thru audit, if a question arises....

The info is already there....

The feedstore operators are just now being required to do the same with all feed they buy, store, haul, or sell...
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
ANSWER THE QUESTION SANDBAG!

DO YOU TRUST PACKERS TO LABEL CANADIAN BEEF AND MEXICAN BEEF ACCURATELY WITHOUT A TRACEBACK SYSTEM TO ENFORCE COUNTRY OR ORIGIN LABELING???

YES OR NO


Either you trust the packers to label beef accurately or you don't!

Which way is it Sandbag?


~SH~

Looks like OT answered for me.
 

Econ101

Well-known member
SH does bring up a good point here. There should be punishments that are real economic incentives to dissuade packers from participating in a fraud about country of origin labeling. Without these measures, the law is useless.

I haven't read the proposed bill to see if it is indeed the case or if it is to be enforced by a corrupt USDA.
 
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Anonymous

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SANDBAG,

2ND TIME

DO YOU TRUST PACKERS TO LABEL CANADIAN BEEF AND MEXICAN BEEF ACCURATELY WITHOUT A TRACEBACK SYSTEM TO ENFORCE COUNTRY OR ORIGIN LABELING???

YES OR NO


Either you trust the packers to label beef accurately or you don't!

Which way is it? Only a yes or no answer will suffice, not a Bullard diversion statement.

Do you need OT to divert the question for you again?


Conman, the only way packers can avoid hefty fines for none compliance is by having an ENFORCEABLE TRACEBACK SYSTEM.

YOU CANNOT HAVE ENFORCEABLE "M"COOL WITHOUT ENFORCEABLE TRACEBACK. Only an R-CALFer would come up with something so stupid as an unenforceable labeling law.



~SH~
 

Econ101

Well-known member
The USDA can't even enforce a meat recall. What makes you think they will do anything with a traceback system that helps producers?
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
SANDBAG,

2ND TIME

DO YOU TRUST PACKERS TO LABEL CANADIAN BEEF AND MEXICAN BEEF ACCURATELY WITHOUT A TRACEBACK SYSTEM TO ENFORCE COUNTRY OR ORIGIN LABELING???

YES OR NO


Either you trust the packers to label beef accurately or you don't!

Which way is it? Only a yes or no answer will suffice, not a Bullard diversion statement.

Do you need OT to divert the question for you again?


Conman, the only way packers can avoid hefty fines for none compliance is by having an ENFORCEABLE TRACEBACK SYSTEM.

YOU CANNOT HAVE ENFORCEABLE "M"COOL WITHOUT ENFORCEABLE TRACEBACK. Only an R-CALFer would come up with something so stupid as an unenforceable labeling law.



~SH~

Read OT's answer again, SH. He put it as good as me. We don't need a big traceback system. We only need to trace back as far as the packers. Have you thought about this before flaring up?
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:56 pm Post subject: R-CALF in Arkansas- M-ID Policy

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Today 7/25/2006 4:06:00 PM


R-CALF: Southeastern Membership Chair Addresses 300 in Arkansas



Conway, Ark. – R-CALF USA Southeastern Membership Chair Joel Gill recently spoke to a crowd of more than 300 people about USDA’s proposed National Animal Identification System (NAIS) as a guest of the Arkansas Animal Producer’s Association (ARAPA).



“R-CALF does not support a mandatory Animal ID program, nor a centralized database,” said Gill, of Pickens, Miss. “R-CALF does support a voluntary animal health traceback system that ensures the protection of individual data and one that incorporates existing identification systems, such as brand programs.



“We are working to implement Mandatory Country-of-Origin Labeling (M-COOL) so consumers will have access to more information about the origin of their beef,” he noted. “Independent U.S. cattle producers need to be able to market the fact that they produce the safest, most wholesome and best tasting beef in the world under the best of conditions.”


In one breath they want protection of data and the next they want consumers to have more acess to information about the orign of their beef.

What about County of Origin Labels? Of ranch of orign? NO NO we might have to take responsibilty for our product. Maybe consumers don't want Alabama Beef. How do they know?
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
This is a US rancher's group discussing policy in the US. Maybe if you minded your own business, there would be a Canadian packing industry.
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
This is a US rancher's group discussing policy in the US. Maybe if you minded your own business, there would be a Canadian packing industry.


Oh Sandhusker don't spank me so hard. :oops: :roll: Does M'COOL not involve imports? Why can't you guys see that your being left in the dust. Canadian cattle producers can ID their cattle. Heck bring COOL on were ready . Are you? Remember the big seller Canadian Bacon is, heck Canadian beef will be bigger. Where do you want your Beef raise the Pristine Canadian Rockies or the Everglades?
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
This is a US rancher's group discussing policy in the US. Maybe if you minded your own business, there would be a Canadian packing industry.


Oh Sandhusker don't spank me so hard. :oops: :roll: Does M'COOL not involve imports? Why can't you guys see that your being left in the dust. Canadian cattle producers can ID their cattle. Heck bring COOL on were ready . Are you? Remember the big seller Canadian Bacon is, heck Canadian beef will be bigger. Where do you want your Beef raise the Pristine Canadian Rockies or the Everglades?

If your beef is such a hot deal, why not label it now? Could it be that while you were cussing R-CALF your packing industry got taken away from you and the Americans who own you now don't want to label your beef?

Last time I was in Ontario and Manitoba I missed those Rockies. Are they there on just certain days of the week?
 
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