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Anonymous

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May 12, 2006



Cattle farming group urges Country of Origin Labeling

Montgomery Advertiser



R-Calf USA, an organization for cow-calf producers, wants Country of Origin Labeling on beef at supermarkets.

R-CALF USA held its first Alabama meeting recently in Coosa County that drew more than 125 Alabama cattle producers.

The organization also wants the USDA and Congress to stop the country’s big four meat packers — Tyson Fresh Meats, Inc., Cargill Meat Solutions, Excel Corporation and Swift’s Company — from using captive beef supplies to control beef prices at the producer’s level.

R-Calf USA will have four more meetings in Alabama in the coming months. Contact James (Pete) Rodgers at (256) 245-2689.
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
May 12, 2006



Cattle farming group urges Country of Origin Labeling

Montgomery Advertiser



R-Calf USA, an organization for cow-calf producers, wants Country of Origin Labeling on beef at supermarkets.

R-CALF USA held its first Alabama meeting recently in Coosa County that drew more than 125 Alabama cattle producers.

The organization also wants the USDA and Congress to stop the country’s big four meat packers — Tyson Fresh Meats, Inc., Cargill Meat Solutions, Excel Corporation and Swift’s Company — from using captive beef supplies to control beef prices at the producer’s level.

R-Calf USA will have four more meetings in Alabama in the coming months. Contact James (Pete) Rodgers at (256) 245-2689.

GEE and here I thought maybe they went down there to demand the Alabama Governor quarantine the states cattle herd until DEFINITIVE ANSWERS can be found on the positive cow. And why didn't they wouldn't that be the PRUDENT thing to do? :wink:
 

Bill

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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
May 12, 2006



Cattle farming group urges Country of Origin Labeling

Montgomery Advertiser



R-Calf USA, an organization for cow-calf producers, wants Country of Origin Labeling on beef at supermarkets.

R-CALF USA held its first Alabama meeting recently in Coosa County that drew more than 125 Alabama cattle producers.

The organization also wants the USDA and Congress to stop the country’s big four meat packers — Tyson Fresh Meats, Inc., Cargill Meat Solutions, Excel Corporation and Swift’s Company — from using captive beef supplies to control beef prices at the producer’s level.

R-Calf USA will have four more meetings in Alabama in the coming months. Contact James (Pete) Rodgers at (256) 245-2689.

GEE and here I thought maybe they went down there to demand the Alabama Governor quarantine the states cattle herd until DEFINITIVE ANSWERS can be found on the positive cow. And why didn't they wouldn't that be the PRUDENT thing to do? :wink:

Yes that would be the proper thing to do.

Establish boundaries around the US cluster area until the source of the contamination is found or at the very least where the animals were born. Until then nothing over 30 months gets moved out of the infected area.

Also R-Laugh should take out ads in National pulicatiions advising consumers of the risk of eating beef from Alabama and Texas.

Of course we know they will instead be down there glad handing, kissing babies and waving the flag in an attempt to sell more memberships to those who want to Bulleeeeeeve in something.
 

HAY MAKER

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R CALF is growing,you canuckle heads better watch out,no telling what will happen when they organize the south.
Maybe you oughta start partnering with your neighbors to the south instead of packers ?
Listen closely Miss Tam,there is no interest in the Alabama cow she was "pre" feed ban :wink: ...................good luck
 

Manitoba_Rancher

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HAY MAKER said:
R CALF is growing,you canuckle heads better watch out,no telling what will happen when they organize the south.
Maybe you oughta start partnering with your neighbors to the south instead of packers ?
Listen closely Miss Tam,there is no interest in the Alabama cow she was "pre" feed ban :wink: ...................good luck


How do you know Haymaker did you raise the cow?
 

Econ101

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Manitoba_Rancher said:
HAY MAKER said:
R CALF is growing,you canuckle heads better watch out,no telling what will happen when they organize the south.
Maybe you oughta start partnering with your neighbors to the south instead of packers ?
Listen closely Miss Tam,there is no interest in the Alabama cow she was "pre" feed ban :wink: ...................good luck


How do you know Haymaker did you raise the cow?

MR, nobody cares what a foreign national like you thinks about r-calf's activities in the U.S.

Go back to dreaming of your pink slippers.
 

Econ101

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Manitoba_Rancher said:
Econ, why dont you put another quarter in your pony and ride off into the sunset...... :lol: :lol:

It seems you have a little work to do in your own cattle organizations in your own country. Maybe you should start there. If you have something of substance to talk about, it would be nice to hear from you. Your pink slippers and fake pony rides can stay in your own reality.
 

Tam

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HAY MAKER said:
R CALF is growing,you canuckle heads better watch out,no telling what will happen when they organize the south.
Maybe you oughta start partnering with your neighbors to the south instead of packers ?
Listen closely Miss Tam,there is no interest in the Alabama cow she was "pre" feed ban :wink: ...................good luck

READ CLOSELY Haymaker this is a quote from R-CALF after Canada found their first native pre feed ban positive.Dated May 2003.
As a minimum, the Untied States should prohibit the importation of live ruminants from Canada and any other country where BSE is known to exist in native cattle UNLESS:
a. The exact source of the BSE infection is definitively identified; the entire source of BSE contamination has been completely eradicated; and every animal exposed to the source has been identified and destroyed.
Tell us Haymaker why did our first pre feed ban positive get this reaction from R-CALF and now that it is a State belonging to the United States you are telling us there is no interest in the Alabama cow she was "pre" feed ban What makes the different that she was pre feed ban? ours was and R-CALF still demanded we find the source and every animal involved and destroy them. Why aren't they demanding the same of Texas and Alabama??
DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO right Haymaker
 

Sandhusker

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Tam, if another country has a disease, we don't want it here. If we have the same disease also, we don't want any more. Just because we found BSE here too we should just fling our borders open and say, "Oh, well, too late, bring em all in"?

R-CALF is trying to get our loop-holes closed. We're open for more testing, 100% if that's what it takes. We're trying to get our standards to be the highest in the world - where they USED to be before the USDA decided economics was more important than health.

R-CALF is a US cattlemen's organization dealing with US cattlemen's issues. You live in Canada. You have your own problems to deal with. You deal with yours and we'll deal with ours.
 

Tommy

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Sandhusker...You live in Canada. You have your own problems to deal with. You deal with yours and we'll deal with ours.


Well said.
 

Tam

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SANDHUSKER: We're trying to get our standards to be the highest in the world - where they USED to be before the USDA decided economics was more important than health.
Used to be before what Sandhusker? Your feed ban was never as strict as ours ( CHICKEN CRAP). Your testing has never tested the same percentage of cattle or the same catagory of cattle or used the same test to confirm, Your Firewalls allowed BSE infected meat into the Human food chain Do I need to go on? WHEN WERE YOURS EVER THE HIGHEST IN THE WORLD SANDHUSKER?

R-CALF is a US cattlemen's organization dealing with US cattlemen's issues. You live in Canada. You have your own problems to deal with. You deal with yours and we'll deal with ours

Tommy: Well said

This coming from two men that supports a beef organization that has put more demands on the Canadian beef industry than any other group. :roll:
Has R-CALF demanded the quarantine of Texas or Alabama? As this is how they DEMANDED CANADA deal with our BSE issue. Have they demanded Definitive answers to where the BSE positive cattle were born in the USA? This too was a demand they put on Canada. Do they know what mill made the feed that the Alabama or Texas cows ate? yep another R-CALF demand on Canada. Has the Texas and Alabama feed sources been eradicated? yep you guessed it another R-CALF demand on CANADA. Has the US destroyed all exposed cattle to same feed source? well i guess not as they don't even know where the index cow was born or came into contact do they, but that is how R-CALF demands Canada deal with our issue right. Has R-CALF demanded that all US beef be ID'd back to birthplace, of cource not or the US investigation wouldn't have concluded in failure. Has R-CALF demand that the US ban all exports of US beef as it presents a health risk if exported? Gee the R-CALF demands on the Canadian system keep on coming. Tell us Sandhusker when is R-CALF going to start dealing with the US BSE PROBLEM? Or do they only deal with US cattlemen issues and according to LEO BSE in the US is a NON ISSUE :wink:
if for some reason we did find a case we can stand and look our consumers right in the eye and say, don’t worry we have had these firewalls in place for years, the only country prior to having a case of BSE to have these firewalls in place for so many years. And we did it to make sure if a case was ever found it was a non-issue.
What firewalls was Leo talking about Sandhusker, the loophole filled feedban? But I thought R-CALF wanted it upgraded so how is that the firewall that was to make BSE in the US a NON ISSUE? Was it the import ban ? no we are now talking about NATIVE BSE so banning imports will not protect from Native BSE. Gee please tell us what firewalls Leo was talking about? Don't tell us to deal with our own issues while your organization is demanding Canada take steps that they are NOT DEMANDING OF THE US INDUSTRY.
 
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Tam
This coming from a man that supports a beef organization that has put more demands on the Canadian beef industry than any other group

Tam R-CALF put no demands on the Canadian beef industry- they did put demands on the USDA to not drop the existing standards to any BSE country wanting to import cattle or beef ...

I know of no law forcing Canada to send beef and cattle to the US- or any time when R-CALF supported such a demand......
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Tam
This coming from a man that supports a beef organization that has put more demands on the Canadian beef industry than any other group

Tam R-CALF put no demands on the Canadian beef industry- they did put demands on the USDA to not drop the existing standards to any BSE country wanting to import cattle or beef ...

I know of no law forcing Canada to send beef and cattle to the US- or any time when R-CALF supported such a demand......

When are they going to demand the USDA enforce all these things of Alabama and Texas if those states want to export their beef into the rest of the US states and CANADA and Mexico and Japan and put consumers at risk??? Do as we say not as we do OLDTIMER. turn a blind eye to the US BSE problem as it isn't putting anyone at risk is it :roll: remember the OIE rule of
“The importing country cannot be more trade restrictive than necessary to achieve the desired national level of protection, and that it’s measures must not be different from those applied to products within the domestic market”
When are these demands on the USDA going to demanded when it comes to the US system?
 

Mike

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Come on Tam. Ask them one more time.

Just one more though, maybe you'll get it out of your system. :lol: :lol:
 

Tam

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Mike said:
Come on Tam. Ask them one more time.

Just one more though, maybe you'll get it out of your system. :lol: :lol:

More crap to distract MIKE

How many times do you have to ask an R-CALFer for an serious answer????

Answer: I don't know as there is always some smart guy the diverts the topic with attempts at humor. And the questions goes un-answered again :roll:
 

Sandhusker

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Tam, "When are they going to demand the USDA enforce all these things of Alabama and Texas if those states want to export their beef into the rest of the US states and CANADA and Mexico and Japan and put consumers at risk??? Do as we say not as we do OLDTIMER. turn a blind eye to the US BSE problem as it isn't putting anyone at risk is it remember the OIE rule of Quote:
“The importing country cannot be more trade restrictive than necessary to achieve the desired national level of protection, and that it’s measures must not be different from those applied to products within the domestic market”
When are these demands on the USDA going to demanded when it comes to the US system?"

Tam, the OIE only offers only guidelines. Why are you holding so tight to this guideline when the minimal risk classifcation the US invented for Canada does not follow the OIE either? You're just picking and choosing, and being loud on top of it.
 

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
Tam, "When are they going to demand the USDA enforce all these things of Alabama and Texas if those states want to export their beef into the rest of the US states and CANADA and Mexico and Japan and put consumers at risk??? Do as we say not as we do OLDTIMER. turn a blind eye to the US BSE problem as it isn't putting anyone at risk is it remember the OIE rule of Quote:
“The importing country cannot be more trade restrictive than necessary to achieve the desired national level of protection, and that it’s measures must not be different from those applied to products within the domestic market”
When are these demands on the USDA going to demanded when it comes to the US system?"

Tam, the OIE only offers only guidelines. Why are you holding so tight to this guideline when the minimal risk classifcation the US invented for Canada does not follow the OIE either? You're just picking and choosing, and being loud on top of it.
According to R-CALF they are written in stone rules not guidelines and
No Sandhusker you and R-CALF are the ones that pick and choose what OIE guidelines the US is to follow by demanding the USDA follow the OIE but seem to forget the rule about "and that it’s measures must not be different from those applied to products within the domestic market”
 

Sandhusker

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Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
Tam, "When are they going to demand the USDA enforce all these things of Alabama and Texas if those states want to export their beef into the rest of the US states and CANADA and Mexico and Japan and put consumers at risk??? Do as we say not as we do OLDTIMER. turn a blind eye to the US BSE problem as it isn't putting anyone at risk is it remember the OIE rule of Quote:
“The importing country cannot be more trade restrictive than necessary to achieve the desired national level of protection, and that it’s measures must not be different from those applied to products within the domestic market”
When are these demands on the USDA going to demanded when it comes to the US system?"

Tam, the OIE only offers only guidelines. Why are you holding so tight to this guideline when the minimal risk classifcation the US invented for Canada does not follow the OIE either? You're just picking and choosing, and being loud on top of it.

No Sandhusker you and R-CALF are the ones that pick and choose what OIE rules the US is to follow by demanding the USDA follow the OIE but seem to forget the rule about "and that it’s measures must not be different from those applied to products within the domestic market”

Whatever, Tam. The truth is, if the US followed the OIE as you are trumpeting, you would not be shipping beef or cattle down here. If you don't like our rules, sell your product elsewhere. Isn't the NCBA telling everybody 96% of the world lives outside the US?
 
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