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R-CALF will meet in Iowa

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Anonymous

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August 24, 2006 Phone: 406-672-8969; e-mail: [email protected]



Dubuque Regional Meeting Only 2 Weeks Away



(Dubuque, Iowa) – R-CALF USA Region VII Director Eric Nelson, a feedlot owner and operator in western Iowa, will host a regional meeting here slated for 5 p.m. CDT, Wednesday, Sept. 6, at the Holiday Inn, located at 450 Main St.



“The Midwest is an extremely important region because it holds promise for rebuilding the U.S. cattle industry,” Nelson said. “Our industry has been in a state of contraction during the past two decades, with thousands of independent feeders exiting the industry.



“Given the abundant feed supplies and the large number of cattle producers in our area, if producers would become actively involved in directing the course of the U.S. beef industry through R-CALF USA, profitability can be restored for independent feeders and the Midwest can become a leader in rebuilding the U.S. cattle industry,” he continued.



“Producers should know that R-CALF is the only national grassroots organization dedicated to serving the needs of independent cattlemen,” Nelson noted. “By bringing producers together, we will continue to make a difference.”



R-CALF USA President and Region V Director Chuck Kiker will inform producers about his recent trip to Australia to observe Australia’s live cattle and beef industry, as well as the country’s mandatory National Livestock Identification System.



Kiker said producers who are informed and involved in all aspects of their ranching business will naturally have a grasp of what their business needs and the direction it needs to go in order to do well.



“I would really like to see some unity from producers coming together from all over the state and bringing their concerns and ambitions relating to their ranching operations to a forum where those items can be discussed and considered,” Kiker said. “The result should be a unified group of men and women with a plan to keep their ranching operations profitable, the cattle industry vibrant and their communities economically prosperous.



“R-CALF USA is the organization that has provided the forum for cattle producers in this country to speak with a unified voice and to change the direction of the beef industry so cattle producers can share in more of the profits the beef-supply chain enjoys,” he remarked.



R-CALF USA Vice President and Region VI Director Max Thornsberry, DVM, will discuss USDA’s proposed National Animal Identification System (NAIS).



“It is important for U.S. cattle producers to know that USDA and state departments of agriculture have received millions in funding to attempt to persuade the cattle industry that individual electronic animal identification is for the producer’s benefit,” Thornsberry said. “Congress appropriated millions of dollars to develop this program. These taxpayer moneys are being utilized to fund professionally produced radio and print advertisements encouraging cattle producers to obtain premise identification numbers. These numbers are the first step in the National Animal Identification System.



“Producers should become educated about individual electronic animal identification,” he continued. “Animal ID is mandatory in only two countries, Australia and New Zealand. A telephone call to producers in those countries will be enough to dissuade most U.S. producers from desiring to participate.



“It is one thing to use individual electronic animal identification for personal use, or for source verification, or for database management, but quite another issue altogether for USDA to require that all food-producing animals be electronically identified before the agency will allow them to enter commerce,” Thornsberry emphasized.



R-CALF USA CEO Bill Bullard will present an overview of the multi-segmented beef industry and provide independent producers with a plan to keep their segment of the industry profitable and viable.



Bullard said producers are involved in a multi-segmented beef-supply chain in which the various segments are both integral partners (they all want to increase beef consumption), as well as economic competitors (they all want to maximize their profits).



“Until producers begin to aggressively compete for their competitive share of the consumers’ beef dollar and their competitive share of the domestic and international beef market, retailers and meatpackers will continue capturing a disproportionate share of the available profits within the U.S. beef supply chain,” Bullard noted.



“The tools producers need to regain control of their industry – including Mandatory Country-of-Origin labeling and captive-supply reforms – are within the grasp of independent producers,” he continued. “To actually accomplish this, we need the Midwest’s help in growing R-CALF USA into the largest and most influential voice for the U.S. live cattle industry.”



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R-CALF USA (Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund, United Stockgrowers of America) is a national, non-profit organization and is dedicated to ensuring the continued profitability and viability of the U.S. cattle industry. R-CALF USA represents thousands of U.S. cattle producers on both domestic and international trade and marketing issues. Members are located across 47 states and are primarily cow/calf operators, cattle backgrounders, and/or feedlot owners. R-CALF USA has more than 60 affiliate organizations and various main-street businesses are associate members. For more information, visit www.r-calfusa.com or, call 406-252-2516.
 

Bill

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
August 24, 2006 Phone: 406-672-8969; e-mail: [email protected]



Dubuque Regional Meeting Only 2 Weeks Away



(Dubuque, Iowa) – R-CALF USA Region VII Director Eric Nelson, a feedlot owner and operator in western Iowa, will host a regional meeting here slated for 5 p.m. CDT, Wednesday, Sept. 6, at the Holiday Inn, located at 450 Main St.



“The Midwest is an extremely important region because it holds promise for rebuilding the U.S. cattle industry,” Nelson said. “Our industry has been in a state of contraction during the past two decades, with thousands of independent feeders exiting the industry.



“Given the abundant feed supplies and the large number of cattle producers in our area, if producers would become actively involved in directing the course of the U.S. beef industry through R-CALF USA, profitability can be restored for independent feeders and the Midwest can become a leader in rebuilding the U.S. cattle industry,” he continued.



“Producers should know that R-CALF is the only national grassroots organization dedicated to serving the needs of independent cattlemen,” Nelson noted. “By bringing producers together, we will continue to make a difference.”



R-CALF USA President and Region V Director Chuck Kiker will inform producers about his recent trip to Australia to observe Australia’s live cattle and beef industry, as well as the country’s mandatory National Livestock Identification System.



Kiker said producers who are informed and involved in all aspects of their ranching business will naturally have a grasp of what their business needs and the direction it needs to go in order to do well.



“I would really like to see some unity from producers coming together from all over the state and bringing their concerns and ambitions relating to their ranching operations to a forum where those items can be discussed and considered,” Kiker said. “The result should be a unified group of men and women with a plan to keep their ranching operations profitable, the cattle industry vibrant and their communities economically prosperous.



“R-CALF USA is the organization that has provided the forum for cattle producers in this country to speak with a unified voice and to change the direction of the beef industry so cattle producers can share in more of the profits the beef-supply chain enjoys,” he remarked.



R-CALF USA Vice President and Region VI Director Max Thornsberry, DVM, will discuss USDA’s proposed National Animal Identification System (NAIS).



“It is important for U.S. cattle producers to know that USDA and state departments of agriculture have received millions in funding to attempt to persuade the cattle industry that individual electronic animal identification is for the producer’s benefit,” Thornsberry said. “Congress appropriated millions of dollars to develop this program. These taxpayer moneys are being utilized to fund professionally produced radio and print advertisements encouraging cattle producers to obtain premise identification numbers. These numbers are the first step in the National Animal Identification System.



“Producers should become educated about individual electronic animal identification,” he continued. “Animal ID is mandatory in only two countries, Australia and New Zealand. A telephone call to producers in those countries will be enough to dissuade most U.S. producers from desiring to participate.



“It is one thing to use individual electronic animal identification for personal use, or for source verification, or for database management, but quite another issue altogether for USDA to require that all food-producing animals be electronically identified before the agency will allow them to enter commerce,” Thornsberry emphasized.



R-CALF USA CEO Bill Bullard will present an overview of the multi-segmented beef industry and provide independent producers with a plan to keep their segment of the industry profitable and viable.



Bullard said producers are involved in a multi-segmented beef-supply chain in which the various segments are both integral partners (they all want to increase beef consumption), as well as economic competitors (they all want to maximize their profits).



“Until producers begin to aggressively compete for their competitive share of the consumers’ beef dollar and their competitive share of the domestic and international beef market, retailers and meatpackers will continue capturing a disproportionate share of the available profits within the U.S. beef supply chain,” Bullard noted.



“The tools producers need to regain control of their industry – including Mandatory Country-of-Origin labeling and captive-supply reforms – are within the grasp of independent producers,” he continued. “To actually accomplish this, we need the Midwest’s help in growing R-CALF USA into the largest and most influential voice for the U.S. live cattle industry.”



# # #



R-CALF USA (Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund, United Stockgrowers of America) is a national, non-profit organization and is dedicated to ensuring the continued profitability and viability of the U.S. cattle industry. R-CALF USA represents thousands of U.S. cattle producers on both domestic and international trade and marketing issues. Members are located across 47 states and are primarily cow/calf operators, cattle backgrounders, and/or feedlot owners. R-CALF USA has more than 60 affiliate organizations and various main-street businesses are associate members. For more information, visit www.r-calfusa.com or, call 406-252-2516.

Thanks for posting another blatant R-Klan lie to add to the list:

“Animal ID is mandatory in only two countries, Australia and New Zealand. A telephone call to producers in those countries will be enough to dissuade most U.S. producers from desiring to participate.

Haven't you caught on that Canada has MID as well? :roll: Pretty hard to believe anything coming from the R-Klowns these days when all they are trying to do is secure memberships to finance their lawyer's fund.
 
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Bill- I don't think your system qualifies as a true ID system yet as the UN, OIE, and world trade groups are pushing.....Wouldn't even come close to the USDA's intitial ID proposal...You don't have mandatory movement inspections or mandatory birthdate reporting which are required under what the world groups want....All you have now is a tag in the ear that tells you who was the last person to put a tag in the ear :roll: :wink:
 

Bill

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Bill- I don't think your system qualifies as a true ID system yet as the UN, OIE, and world trade groups are pushing.....Wouldn't even come close to the USDA's intitial ID proposal...You don't have mandatory movement inspections or mandatory birthdate reporting which are required under what the world groups want....All you have now is a tag in the ear that tells you who was the last person to put a tag in the ear :roll: :wink:

So now R-Klan are the experts on what constitutes a Mandatory I D system is in another country? Too funny!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

What about the system in the UK or other EU members Oldtimer? Once again your grasping at straws while trying to defend to defend another R-Calf lie.
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Bill said:
Oldtimer said:
Bill- I don't think your system qualifies as a true ID system yet as the UN, OIE, and world trade groups are pushing.....Wouldn't even come close to the USDA's intitial ID proposal...You don't have mandatory movement inspections or mandatory birthdate reporting which are required under what the world groups want....All you have now is a tag in the ear that tells you who was the last person to put a tag in the ear :roll: :wink:

So now R-Klan are the experts on what constitutes a Mandatory I D system is in another country? Too funny!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

What about the system in the UK or other EU members Oldtimer? Once again your grasping at straws while trying to defend to defend another R-Calf lie.
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Actually Bill- I don't need to defend Dr. Thornsberry to anyone- he's much more knowledgeable on the ID systems than either you and I-- but I am aware that in explaining mandatory ID systems it is described as the Aussies and NZ having the only true system- one of the reasons the US's proposed system was modeled after it...So I am sure there is a reason he worded it the way he did...Maybe to give paranoid Canucks something to whine and cry about- eh there Bill :wink: :lol: :lol:

But trying to say Canada has a mandatory ID system is just as funny...You may be working toward one- but right now you got a "whoever was the last person to stick a tag in the ear" ( and then hope too many haven't fallen out) system....I truly wish your system was better- since CFIA can't give us an exact birthdate on the last Mad Cow of The Month, now we'll have to wait until next months entrant to pay out :wink:
 

Bill

Well-known member
Oldtimer wrote:
Actually Bill- I don't need to defend Dr. Thornsberry to anyone- he's much more knowledgeable on the ID systems than either you and I

I am sure there is a reason he worded it the way he did

I don't doubt he is much more knowledgeable on MID than you Oldtimer and as with all R-Klan releases there is undoubtably a reason he worded it that way. To decieve once again perhaps?
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Bill said:
Oldtimer said:
Bill- I don't think your system qualifies as a true ID system yet as the UN, OIE, and world trade groups are pushing.....Wouldn't even come close to the USDA's intitial ID proposal...You don't have mandatory movement inspections or mandatory birthdate reporting which are required under what the world groups want....All you have now is a tag in the ear that tells you who was the last person to put a tag in the ear :roll: :wink:

So now R-Klan are the experts on what constitutes a Mandatory I D system is in another country? Too funny!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

What about the system in the UK or other EU members Oldtimer? Once again your grasping at straws while trying to defend to defend another R-Calf lie.
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Actually Bill- I don't need to defend Dr. Thornsberry to anyone- he's much more knowledgeable on the ID systems than either you and I-- but I am aware that in explaining mandatory ID systems it is described as the Aussies and NZ having the only true system- one of the reasons the US's proposed system was modeled after it...So I am sure there is a reason he worded it the way he did...Maybe to give paranoid Canucks something to whine and cry about- eh there Bill :wink: :lol: :lol:

But trying to say Canada has a mandatory ID system is just as funny...You may be working toward one- but right now you got a "whoever was the last person to stick a tag in the ear" ( and then hope too many haven't fallen out) system....I truly wish your system was better- since CFIA can't give us an exact birthdate on the last Mad Cow of The Month, now we'll have to wait until next months entrant to pay out :wink:



So OT in the year 2022 when the USDA finally has to legislate a M'ID for US cattle because R-CALF tries to take every other attemp to set up a industry driven program to court, how will they know the ages of the cows born since the year 2000?
 
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Big Muddy rancher said:
Oldtimer said:
Bill said:
So now R-Klan are the experts on what constitutes a Mandatory I D system is in another country? Too funny!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

What about the system in the UK or other EU members Oldtimer? Once again your grasping at straws while trying to defend to defend another R-Calf lie.
.[/quo




Actually Bill- I don't need to defend Dr. Thornsberry to anyone- he's much more knowledgeable on the ID systems than either you and I-- but I am aware that in explaining mandatory ID systems it is described as the Aussies and NZ having the only true system- one of the reasons the US's proposed system was modeled after it...So I am sure there is a reason he worded it the way he did...Maybe to give paranoid Canucks something to whine and cry about- eh there Bill :wink: :lol: :lol:

But trying to say Canada has a mandatory ID system is just as funny...You may be working toward one- but right now you got a "whoever was the last person to stick a tag in the ear" ( and then hope too many haven't fallen out) system....I truly wish your system was better- since CFIA can't give us an exact birthdate on the last Mad Cow of The Month, now we'll have to wait until next months entrant to pay out :wink:



So OT in the year 2022 when the USDA finally has to legislate a M'ID for US cattle because R-CALF tries to take every other attemp to set up a industry driven program to court, how will they know the ages of the cows born since the year 2000?

Big Muddy- Why should we need a "mandatory" ID...If its really that important for the global trade, there should be big enough premiums to make everyone want to do it voluntarily...

But your cattlemans groups shot you down for that chance up in Canada by making it a law- the Packers don't have to pay anything extra, because the government mandates you to do it anyway :wink:
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Oldtimer said:
So OT in the year 2022 when the USDA finally has to legislate a M'ID for US cattle because R-CALF tries to take every other attemp to set up a industry driven program to court, how will they know the ages of the cows born since the year 2000?

Big Muddy- Why should we need a "mandatory" ID...If its really that important for the global trade, there should be big enough premiums to make everyone want to do it voluntarily...

But your cattlemans groups shot you down for that chance up in Canada by making it a law- the Packers don't have to pay anything extra, because the government mandates you to do it anyway :wink:

So when you have a health issue that R-CALF recognizes important enough to trace cattle what will you use to tell the age of your cows?
 

ocm

Well-known member
Big Muddy rancher said:
Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Big Muddy- Why should we need a "mandatory" ID...If its really that important for the global trade, there should be big enough premiums to make everyone want to do it voluntarily...

But your cattlemans groups shot you down for that chance up in Canada by making it a law- the Packers don't have to pay anything extra, because the government mandates you to do it anyway :wink:

So when you have a health issue that R-CALF recognizes important enough to trace cattle what will you use to tell the age of your cows?

Most states have tracking systems in place that can trace animals back to origin. This is currently done through brand and health papers that have been required for years.

Example: The State of Washington knew the source of the Dec 2003 cow before Ann Veneman stepped to the podium. She announced its source several days later. Our individual state programs are far superior to any proposed federal system---they work. Granted some states don't have systems that are good enough. We can improve on that without the federal government running and ruining the program.
 

Northern Rancher

Well-known member
It must of been a real treat watching OT slither around a courtroom when he had to testify-it's useless arguing with him he believe's his own B.S a common R-Calf affliction.
 

Bill

Well-known member
ocm said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Oldtimer said:
So when you have a health issue that R-CALF recognizes important enough to trace cattle what will you use to tell the age of your cows?

Most states have tracking systems in place that can trace animals back to origin. This is currently done through brand and health papers that have been required for years.

Example: The State of Washington knew the source of the Dec 2003 cow before Ann Veneman stepped to the podium. She announced its source several days later. Our individual state programs are far superior to any proposed federal system---they work. Granted some states don't have systems that are good enough. We can improve on that without the federal government running and ruining the program.

You missed at least 2 important facts regarding the Washington State cow!

#1 she was carrying a CANADIAN ID eartag.

#2 the US system couldn't even ID her 6 week old calf in the feedlot!

There may State systems that work but that example ain't one of 'em.
 

don

Well-known member
ot you kill your own credibility every time you post. if it wasn't for the canadian eartag you guys would have had to claim that case as your own. and now you're going to age verify out of the brandbook?? rotflmao.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
don said:
ot you kill your own credibility every time you post. if it wasn't for the canadian eartag you guys would have had to claim that case as your own. and now you're going to age verify out of the brandbook?? rotflmao.

I can.
 
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Big Muddy rancher said:
Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Big Muddy- Why should we need a "mandatory" ID...If its really that important for the global trade, there should be big enough premiums to make everyone want to do it voluntarily...

But your cattlemans groups shot you down for that chance up in Canada by making it a law- the Packers don't have to pay anything extra, because the government mandates you to do it anyway :wink:

So when you have a health issue that R-CALF recognizes important enough to trace cattle what will you use to tell the age of your cows?

Big Muddy- I think BSE was about the first health issue where age mattered- anyway I can't think of any others in the last 30 years....

Does that justify putting a huge additional cost on producers? Does that justify building another whole level of government bureaucracy? Because no matter what USDA says- if they are going to have an ID system like they proposed and comparable to Australias, they would have to hire thousands just to do the movement inspections and ownership transfers....

In the states, historically, livestock disease control and livestock tracking has been left to the states- and been successfully done for years in most states...While I agree that a few states need a kick in the arse, the issue and implementation should be left with the states...

I saw what happened when the Feds came out with Federal Gamewardens- (nearest thing to Gestapo this country ever saw)-- we definitely don't need a bunch of federal ID inspectors running around with a badge and a tag reader....

Just because Canada has to have the federal government do everything for them doesn't mean that we in the states have to......
 

ranch hand

Well-known member
Bill said:
ocm said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Most states have tracking systems in place that can trace animals back to origin. This is currently done through brand and health papers that have been required for years.

Example: The State of Washington knew the source of the Dec 2003 cow before Ann Veneman stepped to the podium. She announced its source several days later. Our individual state programs are far superior to any proposed federal system---they work. Granted some states don't have systems that are good enough. We can improve on that without the federal government running and ruining the program.

You missed at least 2 important facts regarding the Washington State cow!

#1 she was carrying a CANADIAN ID eartag.

#2 the US system couldn't even ID her 6 week old calf in the feedlot!

There may State systems that work but that example ain't one of 'em.

Bill....tell me how your system would or could id the calf if it was yours. Do you Id every calf to the cow?
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Oldtimer said:
So when you have a health issue that R-CALF recognizes important enough to trace cattle what will you use to tell the age of your cows?

Big Muddy- I think BSE was about the first health issue where age mattered- anyway I can't think of any others in the last 30 years....

Does that justify putting a huge additional cost on producers? Does that justify building another whole level of government bureaucracy? Because no matter what USDA says- if they are going to have an ID system like they proposed and comparable to Australias, they would have to hire thousands just to do the movement inspections and ownership transfers....

In the states, historically, livestock disease control and livestock tracking has been left to the states- and been successfully done for years in most states...While I agree that a few states need a kick in the arse, the issue and implementation should be left with the states...

I saw what happened when the Feds came out with Federal Gamewardens- (nearest thing to Gestapo this country ever saw)-- we definitely don't need a bunch of federal ID inspectors running around with a badge and a tag reader....

Just because Canada has to have the federal government do everything for them doesn't mean that we in the states have to......


So OT you think that Canada should beable to tell the age of every cow even the ones born before we implemented our ID system but can forsee any need for the US to have to do it. Better get those cataracts fixed.

By the way i wish you had met up with Carl Blockbefore he died. He was the rancher with enough forsight to get the ball rolling on our M'ID and it was a steep hill to push that ball up.
 
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Big Muddy rancher said:
So OT you think that Canada should beable to tell the age of every cow even the ones born before we implemented our ID system but can forsee any need for the US to have to do it. Better get those cataracts fixed.

By the way i wish you had met up with Carl Blockbefore he died. He was the rancher with enough forsight to get the ball rolling on our M'ID and it was a steep hill to push that ball up.

My only concern with your ID lately is it didn't work on this last one for our Canuck Mad Cow of the Month pool- made us wait another month for a payout... Yesterday we decided we may also add a date of the month to the pool to cover those that slip thru the ID system- closest to the day announced wins if no age can be determined :wink:

I'm a 100% backer of IDing and tracing livestock...But I don't think its something they should be creating more federal bureaucracy for....
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
So OT you think that Canada should beable to tell the age of every cow even the ones born before we implemented our ID system but can forsee any need for the US to have to do it. Better get those cataracts fixed.

By the way i wish you had met up with Carl Blockbefore he died. He was the rancher with enough forsight to get the ball rolling on our M'ID and it was a steep hill to push that ball up.

My only concern with your ID lately is it didn't work on this last one for our Canuck Mad Cow of the Month pool- made us wait another month for a payout... Yesterday we decided we may also add a date of the month to the pool to cover those that slip thru the ID system- closest to the day announced wins if no age can be determined :wink:

I'm a 100% backer of IDing and tracing livestock...But I don't think its something they should be creating more federal bureaucracy for....


Wr don't like federal buraucracy either that is why our program is industry driven.
 
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Big Muddy rancher said:
Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
So OT you think that Canada should beable to tell the age of every cow even the ones born before we implemented our ID system but can forsee any need for the US to have to do it. Better get those cataracts fixed.

By the way i wish you had met up with Carl Blockbefore he died. He was the rancher with enough forsight to get the ball rolling on our M'ID and it was a steep hill to push that ball up.

My only concern with your ID lately is it didn't work on this last one for our Canuck Mad Cow of the Month pool- made us wait another month for a payout... Yesterday we decided we may also add a date of the month to the pool to cover those that slip thru the ID system- closest to the day announced wins if no age can be determined :wink:

I'm a 100% backer of IDing and tracing livestock...But I don't think its something they should be creating more federal bureaucracy for....


Wr don't like federal buraucracy either that is why our program is industry driven.

Which industry- the cattle industry or the beef industry? Looks to me like all the mandates are on the cattlemen- and since its mandated by government the Packers won't have to pay any rewards for doing it......
 
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