hypo has made out that the Ukraines' right is an extreme far right party..
but without seeing the breakaways are and talking to their people you can get a VERY distorted opinion of them..
I see and talk with a Russian friend often. and between him and the many others that have settle locally.. and the people I know in Europe it is very complex and hard to adequately explain..
there is a side that is very radical.. and bordering that are old world hard heads..
they remind me of staunch union guys..
on the far extreme right.. you have neo-nazis. but they are also on the left and in the center.. they are just trouble.. thugs.. and they are ALL over Europe.. and I will show a bit more about them in this thread later..
these thugs would make you question humanity. but they do not have much of a party allegiance beyond wanting to show up for trouble..
then you have the hard heads.. knuckleheads. most of the people Hypo listed would fit into this category. they are a generation behind..
they can be crude.. we all knew someone growing up like this.. told the black jokes. the Jewish jokes.. made what we would call inappropriate comments..
for the most part we cringed when they made the comment but knew they were hardworking decent people otherwise..
well that is where these countries are now in their development..
it isn't right... the inappropriate comments are insulting..
I don't know the people Hypo and his "paper" painted as radicals..
in Europe and especially in the breakaways they are not radical..
hard heads.. thugs.. someone you would expect to see at a union rally yes..
but by the research and from talking to the people who live there.. they are not what they are being made out to be..
to say well over 40% of the Ukraine is far right radical neo nazis is insulting to them ..
the Ukrainians and Russians I know are a bit hard headed.. and can make me cringe.. but I also know they are trying to get caught up..
I showed actual proof that some of their actions would defy logic..
their actions .. banning nazi symbols for instance shows an effort to stamp out that element as they know it is wrong..
but they say some incredibly insensitive stuff..
but to equate them to factions that committed atrocities during WWII is just as insensitive and offensive..
for him to find around 12 knucklehead.. several of which said incredible stupid stuff. and say the right in the Ukraine is neo nazis is wrong
ask your self.. have you ever told an ethnic joke.. a Jewish. priest joke,.
or what about made an stupid racial comment without thinking..
I have..
another thing to consider before you judge the former soviet countries.
GOD kept Moses and his people in the desert for forty years..
when you look at how it took a generation for change to set in. you start to see the wisdom of our LORD
the Israelis had forgotten their GOD in Egypt. they had worshiped idols of all sorts.
they were slaves.. and acted like slaves even when free..
they had trouble with their freedom ..
had Moses been led to Israel in a few weeks and turned them loose..
many would have taken on their old lives.. either being a slave or a master and worshiping idols again.. it is not that they were bad people
they just didn't know any better.
when I see and talk to the Russians, people from Belarus . the Ukraine. ect..
around here we often just say from the breakaways..
they were stripped of their god.. enslaved in communism..
and like the Israelis longed for freedom but didn't understand the responsibility freedom requires..
these people have only been FREE for 21 years.. they are trying.. a few will never learn..
but for the most part they are good decent people..
given time.. they will catch up.. but it will take generation at least..
I know these people.. I talk to them.. it is like stepping into the past..
but in a nice way.. they aren't PC.. they laugh from the belly.
a hearty laugh.. something you just don't see enough of these days.
they work hard and smile.
They cherish what we have.. and want freedom for their children
to see this love for what we stand for would bring tears to a grown man.
One thing I know in my heart and sole as a GOD fearing Christian..
the people I know and have met over the years are NOT like Hypo described..
each and everyone could be "accused of the same crud language..
but so could most of US.. myself included.
it isn't right but WE are trying..
if you want to call the people of the breakaways bigots. . well I guess I am one as well..
well I said my piece.. let the blameless cast the first stone..
but
Don't confuse them with the radicals in Europe..
I will show you those thugs.. they have NO god, NO party.. NO allegiance and they make a skinhead look like a cuddly unkempt little guy..and are anti American anti establishment.. .
but without seeing the breakaways are and talking to their people you can get a VERY distorted opinion of them..
I see and talk with a Russian friend often. and between him and the many others that have settle locally.. and the people I know in Europe it is very complex and hard to adequately explain..
there is a side that is very radical.. and bordering that are old world hard heads..
they remind me of staunch union guys..
on the far extreme right.. you have neo-nazis. but they are also on the left and in the center.. they are just trouble.. thugs.. and they are ALL over Europe.. and I will show a bit more about them in this thread later..
these thugs would make you question humanity. but they do not have much of a party allegiance beyond wanting to show up for trouble..
then you have the hard heads.. knuckleheads. most of the people Hypo listed would fit into this category. they are a generation behind..
they can be crude.. we all knew someone growing up like this.. told the black jokes. the Jewish jokes.. made what we would call inappropriate comments..
for the most part we cringed when they made the comment but knew they were hardworking decent people otherwise..
well that is where these countries are now in their development..
it isn't right... the inappropriate comments are insulting..
I don't know the people Hypo and his "paper" painted as radicals..
in Europe and especially in the breakaways they are not radical..
hard heads.. thugs.. someone you would expect to see at a union rally yes..
but by the research and from talking to the people who live there.. they are not what they are being made out to be..
to say well over 40% of the Ukraine is far right radical neo nazis is insulting to them ..
the Ukrainians and Russians I know are a bit hard headed.. and can make me cringe.. but I also know they are trying to get caught up..
I showed actual proof that some of their actions would defy logic..
their actions .. banning nazi symbols for instance shows an effort to stamp out that element as they know it is wrong..
but they say some incredibly insensitive stuff..
but to equate them to factions that committed atrocities during WWII is just as insensitive and offensive..
for him to find around 12 knucklehead.. several of which said incredible stupid stuff. and say the right in the Ukraine is neo nazis is wrong
ask your self.. have you ever told an ethnic joke.. a Jewish. priest joke,.
or what about made an stupid racial comment without thinking..
I have..
another thing to consider before you judge the former soviet countries.
GOD kept Moses and his people in the desert for forty years..
when you look at how it took a generation for change to set in. you start to see the wisdom of our LORD
the Israelis had forgotten their GOD in Egypt. they had worshiped idols of all sorts.
they were slaves.. and acted like slaves even when free..
they had trouble with their freedom ..
had Moses been led to Israel in a few weeks and turned them loose..
many would have taken on their old lives.. either being a slave or a master and worshiping idols again.. it is not that they were bad people
they just didn't know any better.
when I see and talk to the Russians, people from Belarus . the Ukraine. ect..
around here we often just say from the breakaways..
they were stripped of their god.. enslaved in communism..
and like the Israelis longed for freedom but didn't understand the responsibility freedom requires..
these people have only been FREE for 21 years.. they are trying.. a few will never learn..
but for the most part they are good decent people..
given time.. they will catch up.. but it will take generation at least..
I know these people.. I talk to them.. it is like stepping into the past..
but in a nice way.. they aren't PC.. they laugh from the belly.
a hearty laugh.. something you just don't see enough of these days.
they work hard and smile.
They cherish what we have.. and want freedom for their children
to see this love for what we stand for would bring tears to a grown man.
One thing I know in my heart and sole as a GOD fearing Christian..
the people I know and have met over the years are NOT like Hypo described..
each and everyone could be "accused of the same crud language..
but so could most of US.. myself included.
it isn't right but WE are trying..
if you want to call the people of the breakaways bigots. . well I guess I am one as well..
well I said my piece.. let the blameless cast the first stone..
but
Don't confuse them with the radicals in Europe..
I will show you those thugs.. they have NO god, NO party.. NO allegiance and they make a skinhead look like a cuddly unkempt little guy..and are anti American anti establishment.. .