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Rally in Baghdad

Disagreeable

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The largest one ever, they say. Did the Iraqis rally to thank Americans for their freedom? Did they rally in appreciation of 2700+ Americans who have died for their freedom? Did they rally because our president has put our country dangerously into debt to support them? No. :shock: The rally called for "Death to Americans". They walked on and burned American flags. Several members of the elected Iraqi government even attended the rally. These people don't want us there; bring our troops home now. Link below; my emphasis.

"“Hundreds of thousands of Shiites chanting "Death to Israel" and "Death to America" marched through the streets of Baghdad's biggest Shiite district Friday in a show of support for Hezbollah militants battling Israeli troops in Lebanon.
No violence was reported during the rally in the Sadr City neighborhood. But at least 26 people were killed elsewhere in Iraq, most of them in a car bombing and gunbattle in the northern city of Mosul.
The demonstration was the biggest in the Middle East in support of Hezbollah since the Israeli army launched an offensive July 12 after a guerrilla raid on northern Israel. The protest was organized by radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose political movement built around the Mahdi Army militia has been modeled after Hezbollah."


http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/9629830/detail.html
 

RoperAB

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Was watching a show last night about the German Jews that were so useful to us in WW2. It really got me thinking.
Correct me if im wrong because I could be. I dont know much about persian culture.
Okay Jorden, Saudi Arabia, United Emerites, etc. These countrys are sunni controled and are friendly. Its basically the shiites that are causeing us problems. Example Iran,Lebanon have smaller populations of sunnies. Syria is sunni for the most part but when the US put trade sanctions on them it kind of forced them to look to Iran for an allie.Isnt it the minority shiites in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq that are causeing all the problems?
Maybe we should turn this into a holy war? What would happen if we looked to all sunnies as allies and started a crusade against the shiites and impowered the sunnies?
Would this pi$$ off Iran? Im thinking it would! Think about it. My understanding is the shiites hate the sunnies more than they do the jews or the west. Reason being they figgure other arabs should know better.
Maybe the shiites in Iraq should not be allowed to vote?
Like the nations that are our friends now in the region would like us even more if we made this a crusade against shiites. Since most of the region excpt Iran is sunni for the most part maybe this way Iran could be totally isolated?
Like I said before I dont know a whole lot on islam or Persian culture. Maybe im wrong? Maybe this whole plan is stupid? What are your thoughts?


Diss said
You do know that Saddam Hussein is a Sunni? That he built his regine on killing Shiites? The US supplied him with weapons and technology in a long drawn out war with Iran? Your arrogance is amazing: "...basically the shiites that are causing us problems." What problem have they caused us? In Iraq the Shiites are our best buddies. But they're also killing Sunnis as fast as they can.

Iran hates us anyway. What difference would this make? The Shiites don't hate anyone more than they hate the Jews. The only thing the Iraqi government has agreed on is to condemn Israel for going into Lebanon. And thats the Sunnis and the Shiites. The invasion of Lebanon has united the Arab world in a way it hasn't been in years. And Bush has sat by and let it happen. Don't kid yourself, Hezbollah is stronger today than it was before Israel kicked its' butt.


Reply first off Saddam was an athiest as im sure you know. Secondly which is it? Here your saying that Shiites are or best buds and then you post an article about them ungrateful ba$tards carrying yellow Hizbullah flags, white shrouds, and portraits of the Shia group's leader, Hassan Nasrallah in a kilometer long demonstration in the Iraqi capital!
F--king ingrates chanting "Allah-Allah give victory to Nasralla","Death to America"...
 

memanpa

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DIS is becoming DIS oriented from posting so many cut and pasts she does not read thru that she is no longer in control of what she thinks as long as it is negitive
DIS PROVE what you said about me is true
 

Disagreeable

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RoperAB said:
Reply first off Saddam was an athiest as im sure you know. Secondly which is it? Here your saying that Shiites are or best buds and then you post an article about them ungrateful ba$tards carrying yellow Hizbullah flags, white shrouds, and portraits of the Shia group's leader, Hassan Nasrallah in a kilometer long demonstration in the Iraqi capital!
F--king ingrates chanting "Allah-Allah give victory to Nasralla","Death to America"...

What ever gave you the idea Saddam is an anthiest? I've seen several newsstories about him that say he spends his days reading the Koran. As far as I have ever heard he's a good Muslim, a Sunni.

Sarcasm went right over your head, did it? That Shiites are our friends is the Bush Administration's line. They had decided to side with the Shiites because they are the majority and were abused by the Sunnis under Saddam. For some strange reason, the Bush Bunch apparently thought the Shiites would be easier to deal with than the Sunnis. Remember, the "they'll welcome us with open arms line"? And now they are out demonstrating against us and for the terrorist organization. There's no real government in that country. The elected officials talk and say tough stuff, but even with the thousands of troops the US has trained for them and the billions$ we spent there, they have no power to enforce anything. Our military is caught up in a civil war and some of them will die. Such a loss for their families and this country! :x
 

RoperAB

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Disagreeable said:
RoperAB said:
Reply first off Saddam was an athiest as im sure you know. Secondly which is it? Here your saying that Shiites are or best buds and then you post an article about them ungrateful ba$tards carrying yellow Hizbullah flags, white shrouds, and portraits of the Shia group's leader, Hassan Nasrallah in a kilometer long demonstration in the Iraqi capital!
F--king ingrates chanting "Allah-Allah give victory to Nasralla","Death to America"...

What ever gave you the idea Saddam is an anthiest? I've seen several newsstories about him that say he spends his days reading the Koran. As far as I have ever heard he's a good Muslim, a Sunni.

Sarcasm went right over your head, did it? That Shiites are our friends is the Bush Administration's line. They had decided to side with the Shiites because they are the majority and were abused by the Sunnis under Saddam. For some strange reason, the Bush Bunch apparently thought the Shiites would be easier to deal with than the Sunnis. Remember, the "they'll welcome us with open arms line"? And now they are out demonstrating against us and for the terrorist organization. There's no real government in that country. The elected officials talk and say tough stuff, but even with the thousands of troops the US has trained for them and the billions$ we spent there, they have no power to enforce anything. Our military is caught up in a civil war and some of them will die. Such a loss for their families and this country! :x

First off im thinking a civil war in Iraq could be of great use to American interest and should be exploited to its full potential. Back the Sunnies!
That rally in Iraq just goes to prove what kind of government<hezbullah/Iran> we will end up with in Iraq if America withdraws to early.
Like i have said on the other thread and for those very reasons a Shiite/Sunni war would be a gift for us.

Here is the same answer I gave you on the other thread.
The origins of Saddam Hussein’s Baath Party was secular. Baathists view Islam as a product of Arab culture and a bridge to pan-Arabism, and until 1990, Iraq was the only officially secular state in the region. With the exception of Tariq Aziz the key figures in Iraq’s regime and ruling party remained non-religious or even non-believers.
You know Saddam fought against the largest Islamic revoulotion in the history when he stopped Khomeini <Sunni>in his tracks.
The regime was solely concerned with its own survival. He may have built a few mosques but this was only to help the formerly secular – atheist – and socialist regime to get more fully reincorporated into the family of the Arab nations.

The Hajj Shakedowns<paste>
Nowhere is the dichotomy between Saddam's religious rhetoric and practice more obvious than with the way he has treated faithful Iraqis seeking to make the Hajj. The Iraqi regime interferes with religious pilgrimages, both of Iraqi Muslims who wish to make the Hajj to Mecca and Medina and of Iraqi and non-Iraqi Muslim pilgrims who travel to holy sites within the country. Baghdad has refused all proposals for travel that did not involve direct payments to the government.
In 1998 the UN Sanctions Committee offered to disburse vouchers for travel and expenses to pilgrims making the Hajj, but the Government rejected this offer. Then again in 1999 the Sanctions Committee offered to disburse funds to cover Hajj-related expenses via a neutral third party; the Government again rejected the offer. Following the December 1999 passage of UN Security Council Resolution 1284, the Sanctions Committee proposed to issue $250 in cash and $1,750 in traveler’s checks to each individual pilgrim to be distributed at the UN office in Baghdad in the presence of both UN and Iraqi officials. The Government again declined and, consequently, no Iraqi pilgrims were able to take advantage of the available funds or of the permitted flights. The Government also has attempted to use pilgrimages to circumvent sanctions for its own financial benefit. In 2001 the Government continued to insist that UN-offered funds for Hajj pilgrims be deposited in the government-controlled central bank and placed under the control of government officials for disbursement rather than given to the pilgrims.
The regime has imposed a variety of schemes to extract money from religious pilgrims by requiring them to pay fees directly to the Iraqi Central Bank. Estimates vary considerably, but it is clear that Saddam Hussein brings in millions of dollars annually in this way. According to the Coalition for International Justice:
"After refusing yet another UN plan to fund travel for the Hajj in 1999, Baghdad bused some 18,000 Iraqi pilgrims to the Saudi border, where they were encouraged to demonstrate and demand that the Saudis release frozen Iraqi funds to pay for their trip. Instead, King Fahd welcomed the Iraqi pilgrims and promised that Saudi Arabia would provide all arrangements free of charge. With no prospect of Saudi payments to the government from frozen funds or other sources, Saddam ordered the pilgrims back to Baghdad."
 
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