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Rand on our foreign welfare being stolen, etc

djinwa

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Here he makes some great points at a hearing. Much of our aid is stolen, or used to buy weapons or tear gas that are used against the people, making them hate us.


The whole thing is a disaster.


Note the guy at the end defending our aid saying it does good - of course, I'm sure his big salary and benefits and retirement depend on it.


Welfare to other countries doesn't work any better than welfare to our poor. Ends up fraud, waste, abuse, and unintended consequences. But if I had to pick, I'd give welfare to our poor, so at least they're spending it here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJzn6CoBUB4&feature=youtu.be
 

djinwa

Well-known member
And BTW, the guy says we had to help Egypt because they had no legal way to remove the president. Now, why is that our problem? Why must we forcibly take money from Americans and violate our freedoms, to give freedom to other countries.

And if the Egyptians aren't willing to fight to get a system of freedom, how long do we have to keep providing it for them?

No different than any other form of welfare - they will be endlessly dependent on us.

Like anything else, you have to earn and maintain your freedom. It takes effort.

Walter Lippmann:
Most men, after a little freedom, have preferred authority with the consoling assurances and the economy of effort which it brings.

Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again, poor fools. And their grandchildren are once more slaves. ~D.H. Lawrence

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. ~George Bernard Shaw

H. L. Mencken:
The average man does not want to be free. He simply wants to be safe.

Voltaire:
So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men.

Wendell Phillips:
Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
 

Steve

Well-known member
But if I had to pick, I'd give welfare to our poor, so at least they're spending it here.

oops.. spent here,.. but shipped overseas..

NY food stamp recipients sending food abroad

Not only can the Agriculture Department boast that food stamps feed more than 47 million people in America annually, it turns out taxpayers are also inadvertently feeding ineligible people abroad.

The New York Post reports that New Yorkers are using their Electronic Benefit Transfer (EBT) cards — a vehicle for government benefits like food stamps and cash assistance — to purchase groceries, package them in large barrels and ship them to relatives overseas in places like Jamaica, Haiti and the Dominican Republic.

The Post reports that in the more Caribbean-heavy areas of the city, supermarkets offer hundreds of 45- to 55-gallon barrels for shipping.

Patrons pay roughly $40 in cash for the barrels and fill them with $500 to $2,000 worth of items like rice, beans, pasta, canned milk, and sausages, the Post reported, noting that the goods are less expensive and better quality than those available abroad.

For about $70 a shipping company will pick up the barrels and ship them to the Caribbean in about three weeks, according to the Post.

As an Agriculture Department spokeswoman told the paper, shipping food purchased with federally funded nutrition benefits is not an acceptable use of the benefits, which are meant to feed eligible people in America, and that state governments should be doing more to stop the practice.

The practice is relatively commonplace, according to the Post. But not everybody shipping food abroad is using welfare dollars to do so.

“Everybody does it,” a supermarket worker in Prospect Lefferts Gardens, Brooklyn told the Post. “They pay for it any way they can. A lot of people pay with EBT.”
 

Steve

Well-known member
And if the Egyptians aren't willing to fight to get a system of freedom, how long do we have to keep providing it for them?

I think that the Egyptians like the Afghans or the Iraqis have no problem fighting.. they just don't seem to have a stomach for fighting for freedom...

Ten years wasn't enough for Iraq or Afghanistan to get any wheres near even wanting a real freedom,.. ,.. but plenty for Germany, Korea and Japan...

So either it is location or some other cultural problem.. :? :???: :shock:

when an overwhelming portion of the population want oppression.. freedom may come at a price steeper then even the most ardent supporter of democracy movements is willing to pay...
 
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