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Rand Paul- Don't Blame Obama for Iraq- Ask Cheney

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Rand Paul: Ask Dick Cheney about Iraq War


By KENDALL BREITMAN | 6/20/14 2:19 PM EDT



Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) wants to turn the tables on those who are questioning President Barack Obama’s handling of the draw down of troops in Iraq.

In an interview with NBC’s “Meet the Press” that will air Sunday, when host David Gregory asked Paul if he found former Vice President Dick Cheney to be a credible critic of the president, Paul responded “I think the same questions could be asked of those who supported the Iraq War. You know, were they right in their predictions? Were there weapons of mass destruction there? Was the war won in 2005, when many of those people said it was won?”

Paul’s response comes after Cheney and his daughter Liz published an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal criticizing the president for the ongoing conflict in Iraq where militants have begun to take over some of the country’s largest cities.

“Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many,” the article said. “Too many times to count, Mr. Obama has told us he is ‘ending’ the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan — as though wishing [makes] it so.”

Instead of placing blame on the president, Paul suggested that blame for the unrest in the Middle East can be placed elsewhere.

“I don’t blame President Obama,” Paul said. “Has he really got the solution? Maybe there is no solution. But I do blame those who are for the Iraq War for emboldening Iran.
These are the same people now who are petrified of what Iran may become, and I understand some of their worry”


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Paul can see that Cheney is making even a bigger fool of himself by trying to blame his and Bush's bungling on Obama (or anyone in this administration)...
And Paul can see that all it does is remind folks of the Bush screw-ups and puts the Republicans back in bad light over the whole deal...
 

Mike

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OT wrote:
Paul can see that Cheney is making even a bigger fool of himself by trying to blame his and Bush's bungling on Obama (or anyone in this administration)...
And Paul can see that all it does is remind folks of the Bush screw-ups and puts the Republicans back in bad light over the whole deal...

No he doesn't. There you go making chit up again. :roll:
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
“I think the same questions could be asked of those who supported the Iraq War. You know, were they right in their predictions? Were there weapons of mass destruction there? Was the war won in 2005, when many of those people said it was won?”

Paul can see that Cheney is making even a bigger fool of himself by trying to blame his and Bush's bungling on Obama (or anyone in this administration)...
And Paul can see that all it does is remind folks of the Bush screw-ups and puts the Republicans back in bad light over the whole deal...
..

Another history lesson is due I see.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by: -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by: -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them." -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Senate vote to support the Iraq war was 77 to 23 with 29 Democrats voting to support the war. So your so called Bush Screw up had STRONG BIPARTISAN SUPPORT even though the Dems will never admit it.

And VP Joe Biden claimed in 2010 that the Iraq would be the Obama Administrations Greatest achievement. Now would Democrat Joe Biden that voted to support the Iraq War have thought a lost war was going to be the Obama Administration Greatest Achievement? OR did he believe Bush's Iraq Surge was a success and Obama was going to get to take credit for the win once he negotiated the pull out of Iraq, that I might remind you he screwed up and his screw up lead to the present day mess we are now witnessing. :roll:
 

Whitewing

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Let's see how this works in FatMan Land. Bush left office at the beginning of 2009.

Today's events in Iraq = Bush's fault
Today's ecconomy = Bush's fault
Today's border policy (is there one?) = Bush's fault

Yeah, that's the conservative way.....accepting responsibilty. OT's really quite conservative you know. He told me so on the phone. :roll:
 

hypocritexposer

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Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

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Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said Sunday that the Sunni militants taking over Iraq have quickly gained power because the United States has armed their group in Syria.

“I think we have to understand first how we got here,” he said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “We have been arming [the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria] ISIS in Syria.”

ISIS, an al Qaeda offshoot, has been collaborating with the Syrian rebels whom the Obama administration has been arming in their efforts to overthrow Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, Paul explained.

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Andy Borowitz


If all the commenters on Internet threads who say America should have kept more troops in Iraq would simply enlist in the army, we'd kick ass.

some of the replys are even better for a chuckle.. :wink: :lol:

Dustin: Yeah! How dare Obama force Dubya to sign for the withdrawal of troops in 2008!!!

R.J.: This situation with ISIS in Iraq is pretty serious. I think we should send the tea party.

Kathy: They don't meet the minimum qualifying standards.

Jon: Everyone except Cheney. He would probably shoot the soldier next to him! (Again!)

William : Cheney should LEAD them!
 

Mike

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The ironic thing about ISIS invading Iraq is that Buckwheat armed them by arming the Rebels in Syria. That's who they are and how they formed.

Buckwheat even drew a "Red Line" for them. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Maybe that's why he doesn't want to send in air support and put troops on the ground in Iraq? Think about it. This bunch was built by HIM!!!
 
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Paul: 'I'm not willing to send my son' into Iraq


Posted by
CNN's Jason Seher

Washington (CNN) - One U.S. lawmaker firmly believes the United States should keep its sons and daughters out of Iraq's increasingly tangled and bloody conflict.

"I'm not willing to send my son into that mess," Sen. Rand Paul, R-Kentucky, told CNN chief political correspondent Candy Crowley on Sunday.



Appearing on "State of the Union," Paul acknowledged that while the chaos in Iraq intensifies by the day, he believes advances by jihadist Sunni militants on Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's Shiite government forces do not pose an immediate threat to U.S. national security. Though he refused to rule out some kind of U.S. assistance, Paul said absent that threat, President Barack Obama's administration should not send ground troops to assist al-Maliki's government.

"Let's not be involved in the Iraq civil war," Paul said.

He painted the current security situation as a battle between a "feckless" ally in al-Maliki and "allies of al Qaeda" - the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, an al Qaeda splinter group. Paul said he doubted the jihadist fighters would contemplate action against the United States in the middle of their campaign to take Baghdad.

"I don't believe that ISIS, right now, is in the middle of a battle saying, 'Hmm, I think we're going to send intercontinental ballistic missiles to America,’" he told Crowley.

In an interview Friday with CNN's Kate Bolduan, Obama pressed Iraqi leaders to find a political solution to governing their nation. But as 300 U.S. military advisers head to the war-torn nation, Republican critics like Paul are laying the blame for the current crisis at the feet of the Obama administration.

"I think there's chaos in the Middle East, and the chaos is because we've created a vacuum," Paul said. "One of the reasons why ISIS has been emboldened is because we've been arming their allies."

While the Obama administration has reportedly dispatched weapons and other military assistance to moderate opponents of President Bashar al-Assad's government in Syria, details remain murky about just where those resources may have ended up.
Paul says some Sunni militants who were among the Syrian rebels, more radicalized than the administration anticipated, are now blitzing Iraq's major cities with U.S. weaponry.

“It’s now a jihadist wonderland in Iraq precisely because we got overinvolved - not because we had too little involvement,” Paul said.

"We are where we are because we armed the Syrian rebels. We have been fighting alongside al Qaeda," he added.

He said any further action in Iraq should be put to a vote in Congress.

At least there is one in D.C. that is talking some sense... Get him elected a lot faster than singing Bomb, Bomb, Bomb songs...

"Let's not be involved in the Iraq civil war," Paul said.
 

Mike

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Libertarians have always been known to be somewhat cowardly. Same as you.

"We are where we are because we armed the Syrian rebels. We have been fighting alongside al Qaeda," he added.

You really don't get it, do you? This is Buckwheat's catastrophe. His alone.
 
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Mike said:
Libertarians have always been known to be somewhat cowardly. Same as you.

Andy Borowitz


If all the commenters on Internet threads who say America should have kept more troops in Iraq would simply enlist in the army, we'd kick ass.

some of the replys are even better for a chuckle.. :wink: :lol:

Dustin: Yeah! How dare Obama force Dubya to sign for the withdrawal of troops in 2008!!!

R.J.: This situation with ISIS in Iraq is pretty serious. I think we should send the tea party.

Kathy: They don't meet the minimum qualifying standards.

Jon: Everyone except Cheney. He would probably shoot the soldier next to him! (Again!)

William : Cheney should LEAD them!

Add in all those brave KKK sheet wearers that hide under their hoods too- eh :???: :wink: :lol:
 

hopalong

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Oldtimer said:


At least there is one in D.C. that is talking some sense... Get him elected a lot faster than singing Bomb, Bomb, Bomb songs you mean songs like your post in 2006

My feeling is that we should give all foreigners that want out 72 hours and assist them in any way in leaving- then we should "lend lease" a fleet of B-52's to the Israelis and carpet bomb until there isn't a Hezbollah camp left or a hole left to build one in...


Old bomb bomb bomb himself EH oldtimer???? guess you forgot that post! :D :D
 

Mike

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hopalong said:
Oldtimer said:


At least there is one in D.C. that is talking some sense... Get him elected a lot faster than singing Bomb, Bomb, Bomb songs you mean songs like your post in 2006

My feeling is that we should give all foreigners that want out 72 hours and assist them in any way in leaving- then we should "lend lease" a fleet of B-52's to the Israelis and carpet bomb until there isn't a Hezbollah camp left or a hole left to build one in...


Old bomb bomb bomb himself EH oldtimer???? guess you forgot that post! :D :D


OT having anything negative to say about McCain is a bright light shining on OT and his cowardice:
Prisoner of war

John McCain's capture and subsequent imprisonment began on October 26, 1967. He was flying his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam when his A-4E Skyhawk was shot down by a missile over Hanoi.[34][35] McCain fractured both arms and a leg ejecting from the aircraft,[36] and nearly drowned when he parachuted into Trúc Bạch Lake.[34] Some North Vietnamese pulled him ashore, then others crushed his shoulder with a rifle butt and bayoneted him.[34] McCain was then transported to Hanoi's main Hỏa Lò Prison, nicknamed the "Hanoi Hilton".[35]

Although McCain was badly wounded, his captors refused to treat his injuries, beating and interrogating him to get information; he was given medical care only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a top admiral.[37] His status as a prisoner of war (POW) made the front pages of major newspapers.[38][39]

McCain spent six weeks in the hospital while receiving marginal care.[34] By then having lost 50 pounds (23 kg), in a chest cast, and with his hair turned white,[34] McCain was sent to a different camp on the outskirts of Hanoi[40] in December 1967, into a cell with two other Americans who did not expect him to live a week.[41] In March 1968, McCain was put into solitary confinement, where he would remain for two years.[42]


In mid-1968, John S. McCain, Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release[44] because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes,[45] and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially.[44] McCain turned down the offer; he would only accept repatriation if every man taken in before him was released as well. Such early release was prohibited by the POW's interpretation of the military Code of Conduct: To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.[34]

In August 1968, a program of severe torture began on McCain.[46] He was subjected to rope bindings and repeated beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.[34][46] Further injuries led to the beginning of a suicide attempt, stopped by guards.[34] Eventually, McCain made an anti-American propaganda "confession".[34] He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he later wrote, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."[47][48] Many American POWs were tortured and maltreated in order to extract "confessions" and propaganda statements;[49] virtually all of them eventually yielded something to their captors.[50] McCain subsequently received two to three beatings weekly because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.[51]

McCain refused to meet with various anti-war groups seeking peace in Hanoi, wanting to give neither them nor the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory.[52] From late 1969 onward, treatment of McCain and many of the other POWs became more tolerable,[53] while McCain continued actively to resist the camp authorities.[54] McCain and other prisoners cheered the U.S. "Christmas Bombing" campaign of December 1972, viewing it as a forceful measure to push North Vietnam to terms.[48][55]

Altogether, McCain was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for five and a half years. He was released on March 14, 1973.[56] His wartime injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.[57]
 

hypocritexposer

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Wasn't it OT that was all for obomba's bomb, bomb, bomb campaign in Libya?

another policy in which OT and obomba supported the terrorists and killing of Americans
 

Steve

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I used to like Ron paul,.. until I became more familiar with his views..

sadly Rand isn't much more realistic when it comes down to it..

I would have called him naive.. but that just doesn't fit..

Obama and his side kick Biden failed to get a status of forces agreement..

that failure created the power vacuum

promoting the overthrow of the Egypt, and Syrian governments and arming Al-quiada groups in the Syrian conflict create more instability in a volatile region..

the list of obama failures could go on for pages..

and under Obama's failure of leadership, even the most hawkish of US are unwilling to send our troops beyond our own borders..
 
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