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Steve

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he makes a great point on lasers..

if you have shot your gun and are comfortable with it,.. an laser can really help with a critical shot... but I doubt with a moving target you would get that shot off with a handgun.

I would still try to slow him down with a center mass shot.. even if it is a split second it may be enough..

also I would think if he had a Kevlar helmet, neck protector, that he would have had a face-shield as well

typical face shield ratings.
The highest blunt trauma protection rating in soft body armor. The best for very high-risk situations to cover more of the uncommon or unusual threats.

Minimizes blunt trauma injury
9 mm FMJ at ~1,400 fps
(~427 mps)

Minimum Recommended...

...for the vast majority of threats encountered on the street, though you would sustain more blunt trauma injury than Level II or III-A. The thinnest and best for concealability and comfort.


9 mm FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) at ~1,090 fps
(332 mps)

A great balance...

...between blunt trauma protection, versus cost, and thickness / comfort / concealability. Handles the blunt trauma of higher velocity +P rounds better.

9 mm FMJ, at ~1,175 fps
(~358 mps)

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hazmat gas mask
Level: IIIA according to NIJ standard 0101.04

all offer blunt trauma protection...

while every situation is different,.. this guy would more then likely survive most any handgun shot,..

but minimizing blunt trauma does not mean it stops it..

something has to take that impact... I have seen simulations of the impact.. and heard one comment from a user,.. "it is like getting hit with a baseball bat"...

but few of us ever have been in that situation nor want to be



in real life,.. this has happened.. and is well documented.

and the results are startling.. if trained officers could not make the head shots.. I doubt many of us could either..
Officers shouted repeatedly for Phillips and Mătăsăreanu to drop their weapons, but none of the officers fired.

Phillips and Mătăsăreanu began to engage the officers, firing rounds into the patrol cars that had been positioned on Laurel Canyon in front of the bank.[15] Officers immediately opened fire. The patrol officers were armed with standard Beretta 92F and Beretta 92FS 9mm pistols and Smith & Wesson Model 15 .38 caliber revolvers, Officer James Zaboravan also carried a 12-gauge Ithaca Model 37 pump-action shotgun, but the body armor worn by Phillips and Mătăsăreanu was strong enough to resist penetration.

Phillips and Mătăsăreanu began to engage the officers, firing rounds into the patrol cars that had been positioned on Laurel Canyon in front of the bank.[15] Officers immediately opened fire. The patrol officers were armed with standard Beretta 92F and Beretta 92FS 9mm pistols and Smith & Wesson Model 15 .38 caliber revolvers, Officer James Zaboravan also carried a 12-gauge Ithaca Model 37 pump-action shotgun, but the body armor worn by Phillips and Mătăsăreanu was strong enough to resist penetration.[14] Multiple officers and civilians were wounded in the seven to eight minutes from when the shooting began to when Mătăsăreanu entered the robbers' white sedan to make a getaway; Phillips remained outside the vehicle and continued firing on officers and helicopters with the HK91, possibly providing covering fire for Mătăsăreanu and using the car for cover. Phillips fired from 50 to 100 rounds from the HK91, until it was struck in the receiver and magazine by police bullets, and Phillips was hit in the shoulder. He later retrieved a Norinco Type 56 S-1 from the trunk of the Celebrity.[14] A tactical alert was issued, and 18 minutes after the shooting had started, a SWAT team armed with AR-15s arrived.

At 9:52 Phillips, who had been using the getaway vehicle as cover, split from Mătăsăreanu, turned east on Archwood Street, took cover behind a parked truck, and continued to fire at the police with his AKM.[20] However, the gun suffered a malfunction. Erroneously reported as a "stovepipe" jam, in reality a round had become jammed while feeding into the chamber, also trapping the spent cartridge from the previous round. He made an attempt to remove the drum and clear the jam, but ultimately discarded the weapon after failing to clear it, possibly due to being wounded in the left hand and forearm. After abandoning the rifle, Phillips drew a Beretta 92FS pistol and continued firing at police. He was then shot in the right hand, briefly dropped the pistol, retrieved it, and placed the muzzle of his pistol under his chin and shot himself.

Mătăsăreanu left the truck, took cover behind the original getaway car, and engaged them for 2 1/2 minutes of almost uninterrupted gunfire. At least one SWAT officer fired his AR-15 below the cars and wounded Mătăsăreanu in his unprotected lower legs; he was soon unable to continue and desperately put his hands up twice to show surrender.[14] Seconds after his defeat, officers swarmed him to pin him down. As he was being cuffed, SWAT officers asked for his name, to which he simply replied "Pete". When asked if there were anymore suspects, he reportedly laughed and retorted "---- you! Shoot me! Shoot me in the head!"

n this case, approximately 650 rounds were fired at two very heavily armored men, who had fired approximately 1,100 rounds.[2] The responding police officers directed their fire at the "center of mass," or torsos, of Mătăsăreanu and Phillips. Each man was shot and penetrated by at least ten bullets, yet both continued to attack officers.

The police radioed for an ambulance, but Mătăsăreanu, cursing erratically, died before the ambulance reached the scene almost seventy minutes later. Later reports showed that Mătăsăreanu was shot over 20 times in the legs and died from trauma due to excessive blood loss coming from 2 gunshot wounds in the thigh

in this case a laser and a split seconds may have been enough..

clearly just shooting them didn't work. and just having a gun, may not have helped,.. but it would have been better then no gun... and no options..
 

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I still think this guy was a coward. Anything to slow him down even for a split second or wondering about another round coming his way could have slowed him down for just a bit at the least and the most maybe he would have turned tail and ran.
"If it saved just one life wouldn't it have been worth it"
 

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Yep I think a double tap or 2 to the center of mass would probably stagger the SOB enough to get closer and a better shot. A .45 would be like a pretty solid love tap with a 16 lb sledge hammer.
 

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That's what our gun savy vets say..... Would it of stopped him no... But it would of knocked him back enough to make him rethink and just maybe some wouldn't of died.... Also our guys have the lasers on their pistols... We have one young man that can hear a shot sound.... any.... And tell you the gun and ammo.....
 

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The Marine Corps is closer to knowing who will manufacture its new .45-caliber M45 Close Quarters Battle Pistol, and could make a decision about the program’s future by spring, Marine officials said.

The semiautomatic weapon will be fielded to elite Marines in force reconnaissance and Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command.

The new pistol is modeled after earlier versions of the 1911 pistol used since the 1980s by force recon units. Those weapons were called the MEU (SOC) pistol, short for Marine expeditionary unit (special operations capable). The precision weapons section at Quantico’s Weapons Training Battalion has hand-assembled 1911s chambered for .45-caliber Automatic Colt Pistol ammo for years.

Now with force recon and MARSOC both using the weapon, there is greater demand, and the Corps is seeking an off-the-shelf option to meet it. Like older 1911s, the new pistol would fill the requirement for a weapon with more stopping power than the 9mm M9 common across the conventional forces. Special operators have paired .45-caliber pistols with other weapons for years,

The Marine Corps awarded Colt Defense a five-year contract worth $22.5 million to supply the military with the company’s M1911A1 Rail Gun, now designated by the Corps as the M45 Close Quarter Battle Pistol.

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6 REASONS YOU NEED A LASER FOR CONCEALED CARRY

1. LOW-LIGHT SIGHTING

Most armed self-defense situations happen in low light environments. You're faced with making the most important shot of your life just when your iron sights are fading into the twilight. That's when Crimson Trace laser sights earn their keep.

2. IMPROVED ACCURACY

Short-barrel snubbies and semi-autos are tough to aim beyond a few yards. Many lack sufficient iron sights. Lasergrips® and Laserguard® extend the effective range by projecting the point-of-impact onto the target.

3. QUICK TARGETING

Face it. In a life or death situation, you're going to be looking at the threat, not at your front sight. Why not place a highly visible mark on the threat, showing you exactly where your bullet will land?

4. MOTION AND COVER

Participants in a gunfight are probably not going to be standing still, like targets on a range. Crimson Trace laser sights enhance speed and accuracy when moving and when aiming at moving targets. Plus, you can shoot from behind cover without achieving a traditional sight picture - the laser can find its target from any position.

5. HOLSTER & TACTICAL LIGHT COMPATIBILITY

Top flight holster manufacturers like Galco, DeSantis and BLACKHAWK! produce holsters to fit Crimson Trace laser sights. Beyond that, Crimson Trace enjoys broad compatibility with the most popular holsters and tactical lights.

6. james holmes


ok #6 wasn't part of the quote, but he looks like a better target then the one used in their sales pitch..
 

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