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hypocritexposer

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1) Obama was a dual citizen at birth, transferred through his father, until 1982
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

2) Supreme Court has doubt that a child of a non-citizen can be Natural Born
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/minorvhapp.html

3) McCain was defined as a Natural Born Citizen, due to having parents (plural) that were American citizens, by a senate committee
http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html

4) The Constitution in this regard has not been amended


5) Until the Supreme Court defines a Natural Born Citizen, there remains "a legitimate unanswered question, or "doubt", as to whether a U.S.-born child of a non-citizen parent is a Constitutional natural born citizen"

6) The Obama voters could not have been informed whether or not Obama is a "Natural Born Citizen", because that has not been determined yet.
 

Sandhusker

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Hypo, do you realize that you're trying to get a liberal to take out emotions and deal with facts? You'll have better luck teaching a fish how to rope.
 

nonothing

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This birth cert thing is just another consperisy theroy....Ask hypo his beliefs on 911.In fact,I will come out ad ask him myself..Hypo do you believe 911 was an inside job or did it go down as it is said to of happened by the bush goverment?..Also,to you sandhusker, I ask the same question.Sandy please answer it without asking another question,as your answer.....just tell me what you belief is of what went down that day?

It will be interesting to hear hypo's answer and even more interesting to watch and see if sandhuskers buys into the same theoy.....
 

hypocritexposer

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First off Nonothing, there is no mention of the BC in this thread, except from you.

This thread is about the Constitution, and the "Natural Born Citizen" clause.

Can you refute any of the points?

1) Obama admission, dual citizenship

2) Supreme Court decision, precedent, that has never been refuted or overturned

3) Obama co-sponsored Senate resolution April 2008, 2 US citizen parents=Natural born citizen

4) Constitution still as originally written, Section 1 of Article Two

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Did you notice "Natural Born Citizen", and "Citizen" are both mentioned (so there is a distinction between the 2, "citizens" had to be grandfathered in at the time of writing)

5) Supreme Court stated that there is a legitimate unanswered question, or "doubt", as to whether a U.S.-born child of a non-citizen parent is a Constitutional natural born citizen

6) Voters could not have been properly informed about something that has not been determined.

Conclusion, Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen, until the Supreme Court resolves the legitimate unanswered question, or "doubt"

And then their is the Congressional statement in my signature.
 

hypocritexposer

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nonothing said:
Hypo do you believe 911 was an inside job or did it go down as it is said to of happened by the bush goverment?

I haven't read any official report, sorry. Can't help you out.

And have never been exposed to any credible proof that it was an inside job. So I guess I can't answer either way.
 

nonothing

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hypocritexposer said:
nonothing said:
Hypo do you believe 911 was an inside job or did it go down as it is said to of happened by the bush goverment?

I haven't read any official report, sorry. Can't help you out.

And have never been exposed to any credible proof that it was an inside job. So I guess I can't answer either way.

Ok then since you could not man up .I will ask you a different Question....What is your opinion on the very tragic happenings on the day on 911 in New York City?..Is it your opinion that it was the planes that cause the buildings to fall?If it was not the planes that caused them to crumble,what is your opinion on why they or how they fell? Also,who in your humble opinion do you believe were the master mind behind the attack on the twin towers?....I am just asking for your opinion,with only what sources you have read or heard.?As i wont ask you to speculate on anything you have never read or seen before....only just what you believe the answers to my questions are...really its just your opinion right?
 

hypocritexposer

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What is your opinion on the very tragic happenings on the day on 911 in New York City?

It was very tragic, I feel for the families.

Is it your opinion that it was the planes that cause the buildings to fall?

Definitely, if the planes were not there, the buildings would not have fallen. There was no plane that hit Building 7, but it still fell. Firefighters/witnesses on scene said it was their opinion that it was intentionally demolished.

If it was not the planes that caused them to crumble,what is your opinion on why they or how they fell?

Inceniary devices (thermite) and explosions, gravity played a part too:wink:

Also,who in your humble opinion do you believe were the master mind behind the attack on the twin towers?

Terrorists



Your turn



Did the buildings look like they fell at freefall speed?

Was there molten metal at the base of the towers, after they fell?

Have you ever seen a steel structure building burn and fall so fast?

What is the melting temperature of steel? At what temp. would it bend?

What is the temperature of an aviation fuel fire?

Was there concrete dust spurting out the sides of the towers, before they fell?

What would be the temperature of a simple office fire? (desks, paper etc)

Were there any large chunks of concrete on the ground, after the towers fell?

If you dropped a chunk of concrete 110 stories would it break into smaller chunks or be pulverised into dust?

How many steel columns were present in the towers?

Have you ever taken any engineering or architect courses?

What was the cause of the structural failure for Building 7?

Watching the footage of the towers, did you see what looked like molten steel spilling out the side?

Ever heard of thermite? What temp. can thermite reach?


Sorry, lots of questions. Maybe the answers are in the official report.
 

Mike

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hypocritexposer said:
Nonothing, you forgot to answer the questions in the "Natural Born Citizen" post.

They, the Liberal Moonbats, believe in "Change".

They "Change the Subject" everytime their ass gets in a crack. :roll:
 

nonothing

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Did the buildings look like they fell at freefall speed?
I have no idea how buildings fall after a huge plane hits them

Was there molten metal at the base of the towers, after they fell?
I was ot there and no one I know has told me they were either so i have no clue

Have you ever seen a steel structure building burn and fall so fast?
I again have not seen many buildings fall well the kingdome in seattle but it fell much faster.

What is the melting temperature of steel? At what temp. would it bend?
Well my lack of knowlegde on steel temps is very bad .

What is the temperature of an aviation fuel fire?
not educated in fire temps ..

Was there concrete dust spurting out the sides of the towers, before they fell?
Again i was not there so who knows?and there was no offical memo put out about concrete dust that i read

What would be the temperature of a simple office fire? (desks, paper etc)
Again hypo I am not educated in fire temps like you seem to be

Were there any large chunks of concrete on the ground, after the towers fell? I am sure there were

If you dropped a chunk of concrete 110 stories would it break into smaller chunks or be pulverised into dust? depends on how much rebar is in it i suspect

How many steel columns were present in the towers?
well i do not have the blue prints of the building in front of me ,so you tell me

Have you ever taken any engineering or architect courses?
Does drafting 11 count?

What was the cause of the structural failure for Building 7?
A plane hitting it

Watching the footage of the towers, did you see what looked like molten steel spilling out the side?
No all i saw were scared people leaping out ,it was horible to watch....I still cant imagine there horror those people went through in there....

Ever heard of thermite? What temp. can thermite reach?
Ok thought thats was the name of a early 80's metal band


Sorry, lots of questions. Maybe the answers are in the official report.
Well I am sure they are and bush should have that report so i am sure it is avaliable ..It was on his watch right?
 

Sandhusker

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Back to the original topic now..... I see that our resident Washingtion intellectual has avoided any factual debate, as predicted. Nono has refused to do so as well.
 

nonothing

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hypocritexposer said:
Nonothing, you forgot to answer the questions in the "Natural Born Citizen" post.

I have no idea,nor do I care about what it means in a country i do not live in or pay taxes in.....I do not just believe the stuff written here.

A consprisy theriost from canada,A small town Nebraska banker whos has never been outside his State ,little lone his country.Or a bulling white supremist from Alabama that dislikes people who are not white..Those are the spokes people for the conservatives of this board..I agree with very little of what these 3 say......You however can say whatever you want,but it is those who listen to you three and buy into your over the top fear and hate mongering,that are the ones I worry for most...Cause they accaully believe you three knmow of what you speak of....I just cringe everytime I see some fool back slap one of you three...All 3 blinded by hate....IMHO
 

Mike

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Or a bulling white supremist from Alabama that dislikes people who are not white.

This statement is nothing but a cowardly, blatant lie.

I work and live amongst peoples of other color every single day of my life.

The ones I have social interactions with would do anything for me, as I would for them.

These people of color that I associate with daily have equal contempt for people of their own color who fit the "Leeches of Society" mold.

We are "Equal Opportunity Dislikers".

We dislike "White Niggas" equally as we do the "Black" ones. But in this area, there seems to be an overwhelming majority of the dark variety.
 

Sandhusker

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nonothing said:
hypocritexposer said:
Nonothing, you forgot to answer the questions in the "Natural Born Citizen" post.

I have no idea,nor do I care about what it means in a country i do not live in or pay taxes in.....I do not just believe the stuff written here.

A consprisy theriost from canada,A small town Nebraska banker whos has never been outside his State ,little lone his country.Or a bulling white supremist from Alabama that dislikes people who are not white..Those are the spokes people for the conservatives of this board..I agree with very little of what these 3 say......You however can say whatever you want,but it is those who listen to you three and buy into your over the top fear and hate mongering,that are the ones I worry for most...Cause they accaully believe you three knmow of what you speak of....I just cringe everytime I see some fool back slap one of you three...All 3 blinded by hate....IMHO

From the immortal words of our dear ~SH~; Those who cannot debate, discredit.
 

burnt

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nonothing said:
hypocritexposer said:
Nonothing, you forgot to answer the questions in the "Natural Born Citizen" post.

I have no idea,nor do I care about what it means in a country i do not live in or pay taxes in.....I do not just believe the stuff written here.

A consprisy theriost from canada,A small town Nebraska banker whos has never been outside his State ,little lone his country.Or a bulling white supremist from Alabama that dislikes people who are not white..Those are the spokes people for the conservatives of this board..I agree with very little of what these 3 say......You however can say whatever you want,but it is those who listen to you three and buy into your over the top fear and hate mongering,that are the ones I worry for most...Cause they accaully believe you three knmow of what you speak of....I just cringe everytime I see some fool back slap one of you three...All 3 blinded by hate....IMHO

I, for one am very glad that you are not a spokesman for Canada.

Are you sure that you don't let a little hate cloud your vision from time to time?
 

hypocritexposer

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You first tried to change the subject, to avoid answering any questions.

But I showed you enough respect to make an effort to answer your off topic questions.

Then you make a concerted effort to avoid mine, so you can re-inforce your pre-conceived notions and bias

Then you come back to insult and falsely accuse with totally baseless claims.

I think you need to ask yourself, who is actually portraying themselves as the fearmongering hate filled conspiracy theorist.
 

hypocritexposer

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This is a Constitutional issue folks.

He could have answered to this question back in April last year, when he was involved in the McCain resolution.

He willfully ignored it, the courts have ignored it, the people that voted for him were either ignorant or ignored it, and then...

He took his Oath of office. Is this the "best of his ability"?

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

1) Obama was a dual citizen at birth, transferred through his father, until 1982
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

2) Supreme Court has doubt that a child of a non-citizen can be Natural Born
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/minorvhapp.html

3) McCain was defined as a Natural Born Citizen, due to having parents (plural) that were American citizens, by a senate committee
http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html

4) The Constitution in this regard has not been amended


5) Until the Supreme Court defines a Natural Born Citizen, there remains "a legitimate unanswered question, or "doubt", as to whether a U.S.-born child of a non-citizen parent is a Constitutional natural born citizen"

6) The Obama voters could not have been informed whether or not Obama is a "Natural Born Citizen", because that has not been determined yet.
 

backhoeboogie

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hypocritexposer said:
This is a Constitutional issue folks.

They could care less about the Constitution or Bill of Rights. Just let it go. We are almost 1/8 through this admisistration. It is a milestone. Celebrate.
 

nonothing

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Mike said:
Or a bulling white supremist from Alabama that dislikes people who are not white.

This statement is nothing but a cowardly, blatant lie.

I work and live amongst peoples of other color every single day of my life.

The ones I have social interactions with would do anything for me, as I would for them.

These people of color that I associate with daily have equal contempt for people of their own color who fit the "Leeches of Society" mold.

We are "Equal Opportunity Dislikers".

We dislike "White Niggas" equally as we do the "Black" ones. But in this area, there seems to be an overwhelming majority of the dark variety.

Who said I was talking about you?.
 
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