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1 missing climber found dead on Mt. Hood

By JOSEPH B. FRAZIER
Associated Press Writer

HOOD RIVER, Ore. (AP) -- Rescuers looking for three missing climbers on Mount Hood found a body Sunday in the area where one of the climbers made a distress call last week, authorities said.

The dead climber had not yet been identified
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This is sad and a tragedy-- and I'd bet the other two are found dead too---But this is one of my pet peeves- these "recreationists" that pull stupid stunts for one reason or another- or disregard the weather and conditions, and put the true heroes ( the rescuers )in so much danger- and many times cost government agencies huge amounts of money to make efforts to save them...

Its getting to be so much more prevalent- and government/search and rescue agencies are then expected to put out all and risk all to rescue them...Seeing it with hunters, ice fishermen, climbers, boaters not to add in all the nutty para sail and hanggliding folks....

I hope Oregon has it in their laws where the agencies involved can charge the lost persons (if found alive) or their estates for all costs of what now has to be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs.....
 

RoperAB

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Up here it seems like they only look for you if your a rich ba$tard.
Example they spent millions looking for the body of that Trudeau kid even though they knew he was dead.
In the maritimes these millionares from the States with their yaughts and hot air ballons where always getting into trouble and costing tax payers millions.
Some average Canadian guy doesnt seem to matter much if he or she goes missing.
 

Jinglebob

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How is this really any different that those who ride bulls and get hurt? Or motorcycles with no helmets?

We all take risks every day.

Who pays when someone gets hurt? Many don't have insurance and even if they do, it's usually not enough.

I'm not saying we shouldn't help, but when someone is hurt or lost, isn't it in our nature (thank the Lord) that we try to help?

And what about those who get AIDS?

There is a world of hurt out there and I don't think we can turn our backs on everyone, no matter what the cost.

I wish there was an easier answer. :x
 

Northern Rancher

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Of all the millions of ways governments pee away money I don't think the first stab at fiscal responsibility should be to stop rescuiong someone in need. There's been the odd cowboy medivaced out of his pasture-in fact my old buddy at Wolf Pioint was -now tell me what is more irresponsible hang gliding or checking saler cows during calving on a green colt.
 

P Joe

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passin thru said:
One question I ask myself............is it work or play

A rodeo is playing, and I don't have an issue with the ambulance sitting their in case someone gets hurt.

I don't honestly know what would be more dangerous. Climbing a mountain or riding one pist off bull.

I do think them guys were ill prepared and uninformed. Personally, i would have opted not to climb if a storm was coming in.
 

Jinglebob

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P Joe said:
passin thru said:
One question I ask myself............is it work or play

A rodeo is playing, and I don't have an issue with the ambulance sitting their in case someone gets hurt.

I don't honestly know what would be more dangerous. Climbing a mountain or riding one pist off bull.

I do think them guys were ill prepared and uninformed. Personally, i would have opted not to climb if a storm was coming in.

Rodeo ain't play when you make what some of them fellers at the finals did.

It's their job.
 

P Joe

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Jinglebob said:
P Joe said:
passin thru said:
One question I ask myself............is it work or play

A rodeo is playing, and I don't have an issue with the ambulance sitting their in case someone gets hurt.

I don't honestly know what would be more dangerous. Climbing a mountain or riding one pist off bull.

I do think them guys were ill prepared and uninformed. Personally, i would have opted not to climb if a storm was coming in.

Rodeo ain't play when you make what some of them fellers at the finals did.

It's their job.

PRA is considered a sport, which in my book is play. Wheather you are in the NFL, NBA or PRA, you go out to play the game. It just so happens you get paid the big $ when you do it.
 

Judith

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I don't know, if it was me, I think I would want to know that someone was coming to help me. ( we all know I have never done anything really dumb :roll: ) I'd rather have tax dollars spent finding stoopid snowboarders, than paying for drug safehavens.... Nothing like seein your hard earned cash being shot into 30 or 40 junkies in one room. We are pretty lucky here in Vancouver so you actually get to see the junkies shooting up through the windows. 100 and 1 ways to make you lose your lunch. But doesnt it make you proud that you got to work your butt off so they can sit in those safe little chairs.....(GRRRRRRR....)
 

RoperAB

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Just to be clear. Im not bitching about having an ambulance ready at a rodeo<although around here I believe the rodeo association has an ambulance and a Vet there at there own cost and of course im not against rescueing people.
However if I go packing in the mountains with my horses and I dont tell anybody where im going or when I will be back <because I really dont know when I leave> I dont expect the government to spend millions looking for me. Same deal with snow borders, snowmobilers who hill climb in the mountains, etc.
What does annoy me is that im under the impression that in Canada how much they spend on looking for you seems to depend on who you are.
 

RoperAB

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BTW There is a big difference in cost between looking for a guy who went missing checking his cows than in looking for some guy who was trying to set some kind of record in an extreme sport in an extremely vast remote location.
 

IL Rancher

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Some of this is code too folks and the venue is charged a fee for having the ambulance there. I know my brother, when he was an ER doc in Chicago got free tickets to Baeball games, and 100 bucks or something like that, to go to games and be a doctor for the fans in the stands and to assist the team doctors in case anything major went wrong on the field (Most of the trainers aren't trained very well for CPR or othing things.. And even the team doc was more of an orthapedist for joint injuries and muscle pulls).. Mostly he treated people for sun stroke and balls that richocheted off forheads but hey, free tickets.
 

nr

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Has anyone ever seen the monetary cost for a mountain rescue reported in the news? I can't remember ever seeing the hard cold numbers of man-hours translated into money. It would be interesting for the taxpayers even though it would not quantify the risk for the rescuers.
 

L.E. Stevens

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Why not have a fee(insurance) added to risky activities.

A number of companies do. There is a rider, with associated fee, for vehicle/motor racing activities, certain sports including rodeo & other equine venues.
 

Judith

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Various riders do for instance I dive. I am not insureable while in gear underwater. If I am hit by a boom on a sail boat before I hit the water I am covered. I use Penn Corp. They are one of the few companies here in Canada that will even cover me. Most will not touch you if you are a diver. I can't figure it out, the sport is just not that dangerous????
 

P Joe

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RoperAB said:
BTW There is a big difference in cost between looking for a guy who went missing checking his cows than in looking for some guy who was trying to set some kind of record in an extreme sport in an extremely vast remote location.

Oh, I agree totaly with that, but I think you still have to try and help them out. I think the 2 black hawk helicopter and such, and trying to find them in that storm was over the edge. But I think they should have sent out a team to look for them after the storm cleared. If they didn't find them, then so be it. That resuce team did not take a vow of death to save the climbers life. They knew/should have known the risks when they left, and now must pay the price. They should fall under the same rules as they do on MT Everest. You are left where you die.
 

Northern Rancher

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BTW that cow post was tongue in cheek-are we going to grade your rescueability on how stupid you are-if that's so no more ambulances for drunks would be a start-you get pissed and hit a tree-leave him to bleed out and make the roads that much safer-maybe an extreme example but along the same general train of thought
 

P Joe

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Northern Rancher said:
BTW that cow post was tongue in cheek-are we going to grade your rescueability on how stupid you are-if that's so no more ambulances for drunks would be a start-you get p****d and hit a tree-leave him to bleed out and make the roads that much safer-maybe an extreme example but along the same general train of thought

No, not really.

I just don't believe that 50 people should have to trudge out in blowing snow and 100 MPH winds up a mountain and risk their life to save your dying ass when you didn't belong there in the 1st place.
 
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