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aplusmnt

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Disagreeable said:
aplusmnt said:
Along the same lines, if we pull out we will be leaving the country and all it resources be it Oil or Terrorist to the influence of Iran. Basically if we just pull out in the end Iran will double in size and resources.

:roll: I can't believe this stuff! Do you read the paper? Watch the news? Iran and supporters of Iran are virtually in control of the southern part of Iraq now! It's the British zone and they have pulled into their safe spots until they go home and let the militias run the region! It would take another invasion by thousands of troops to get them out of the country.

I doubt Iraq will ever be a Democracy them people just do not have it in them to accept loosing. To be a Democracy you have to be willing to accept defeat and live with it. They are all willing to vote but then when they do not get the results they want the do not graciously wait until the next election they go shoot and bomb those that won.

If you don't think Iraq will be a democracy, why are Americans dying in that country? What are we fighting for? Are you saying that we're fighting to stop it from becoming a haven for terrorists? It was not a haven for terrorists before Bush chose to invade! Have we spent billions$, lost thousands of good men, for the status quo?

It would take a few planes and bombs to get them out of the region. That is the problem we do not fight to win we fight to appease Liberals world wide.

Never thought Democracy was our reason to go to Iraq. We went there to oust a leader that was a threat to the U.S. one that had basically declared war on the U.S. and has and would support Terrorist against us. Iraq was an enemy that supports terrorist methods.

I could care less rather they have a democracy or not. Personally I would level the whole place and move on. But that is not something we will do. So now we have to continue to kill terrorist as they come to Iraq. And get the country going in some good direction before pulling out.

Even though I do not think this war was about Oil, the leaving certainly should be. We can not just up and leave the resources that are in Iraq such as the Oil to fall in the hands of Iran, Humas type groups or Al Qaeda.

You try to simplify this issue and it is not simple. Cut and Run is to simple of an approach. Will not be in Iraq's or U.S. best interest.

They say we can not win this war, well I say lets fight it like a war, lets start some more shock and awe and blow some crap up. Lets start shooting some people and tell the civilians either you are for us or against us. Now clean up your own mess or we will be leveling the place.
 
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Never thought Democracy was our reason to go to Iraq. We went there to oust a leader that was a threat to the U.S. one that had basically declared war on the U.S. and has and would support Terrorist against us. Iraq was an enemy that supports terrorist methods.

Why did they call it Operation Iraqui Freedom :???:

To me that seems to have been the whole problem from Day one in Iraq- they had no clear defined mission or goal- more of a fly by the seat of your pants mission that had the goals changing weekly......
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
Never thought Democracy was our reason to go to Iraq. We went there to oust a leader that was a threat to the U.S. one that had basically declared war on the U.S. and has and would support Terrorist against us. Iraq was an enemy that supports terrorist methods.

Why did they call it Operation Iraqui Freedom :???:

To me that seems to have been the whole problem from Day one in Iraq- they had no clear defined mission or goal- more of a fly by the seat of your pants mission that had the goals changing weekly......

If Democracy was ever the reason we went to Iraq then why does everyone make such a big deal about WMD's?

Democracy was just an outcome the Politicians were hoping for.

Stay focused here. If Libs say we should have never went because there was no WMD's then the hunt for WMD's must have been the reason we went. Not Democracy!
 

Texan

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aplusmnt said:
I doubt Iraq will ever be a Democracy them people just do not have it in them to accept loosing. To be a Democracy you have to be willing to accept defeat and live with it. They are all willing to vote but then when they do not get the results they want the do not graciously wait until the next election they go shoot and bomb those that won.
Are you still talking about Iraq? It sounds like you could be talking about the dems in Florida after the 2000 Presidential election...

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Disagreeable

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aplusmnt said:
It would take a few planes and bombs to get them out of the region. That is the problem we do not fight to win we fight to appease Liberals world wide.

Unbelievable. We have a 140,000 American troops in Iraq and we can't keep peace. We can't build bridges, we can't keep the oil flowing, we can't keep the electricity going. And you say "a few planes and bombs....". It would take a great number of those 140,000 troops and while they were tied up in the south of Iraq, Anbar would get worse, or another portion of the country would go bad. You are not paying attention to what's going on.

Never thought Democracy was our reason to go to Iraq. We went there to oust a leader that was a threat to the U.S. one that had basically declared war on the U.S. and has and would support Terrorist against us. Iraq was an enemy that supports terrorist methods.

I never though democracy was our reason to go into Iraq either. Bush sold us on the war by claiming Saddam had WMDs and would give them to terrorist to bring to the US. Our nation still had the 9/11 wound and he poked and prodded at that wound to get what he wanted. AFTER he realized there were no WMDs, he turned to the "free the Iraqi people" theme. When Americans indicated they didn't much care if the Iraqi people were free or not, he turned to the "war against terror" theme. That one has worked well, even though the military hate it. They tried to get it changed because they say it indicates that Iraq is a war that can be won by the military. That's inaccurate.

I could care less rather they have a democracy or not. Personally I would level the whole place and move on. But that is not something we will do. So now we have to continue to kill terrorist as they come to Iraq. And get the country going in some good direction before pulling out.

What gives you the right to level another country? One that did absolutely nothing to us? The arrogance of people like you that think just because we're America we have the right to tell the rest of the world to live leaves me speechless...almost.

Even though I do not think this war was about Oil, the leaving certainly should be. We can not just up and leave the resources that are in Iraq such as the Oil to fall in the hands of Iran, Humas type groups or Al Qaeda.

Yes we can just up and leave the resources in Iraq to the Iraqis. That's what international law would tell us to do. It's not our oil; it's the Iraqi's oil to do whatever they want to do with it. Again you seem to think just because you're an American you can tell another country what to do.

You try to simplify this issue and it is not simple. Cut and Run is to simple of an approach. Will not be in Iraq's or U.S. best interest.

I never said it was simple. I think it's too complex for a quick fix. I just think there's no point any more for American soldiers to be targets of both sides in Iraq. The time for diplomacy is long over due. The time for Iraq's neighbors to step in and help is long over due. The time for the US to get the UN involved is long over due. None of these things requires 100,000 US soldiers to be in Iraq.

They say we can not win this war, well I say lets fight it like a war, lets start some more shock and awe and blow some crap up. Lets start shooting some people and tell the civilians either you are for us or against us. Now clean up your own mess or we will be leveling the place.

If the Bush Bunch had gone into Iraq like it was a war, things might have been different. But they didn't. They ignored professional military advice and sent too few troops, too light. After Saddam fell it should have been turned over to the State Dept, but Powell wasn't one of "the boys" and Rumsfeld kept control. The US Army is not trained to build a country. They're trained to kill people, destroy stuff, and take ground. Bush screwed this thing up from the very git go. Do you believe the generals leading our military are stupid? Do you believe there should be no rules of war? Some civilians are for us. They are being killed by those who are against us. We can't protect them. So now what? Do you expect them to die for the USA?
 

Texan

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Disagreeable said:
The arrogance of people like you that think just because we're America we have the right to tell the rest of the world to live leaves me speechless...almost.
Well, hell....I thought we were about to get lucky. :wink:
 

aplusmnt

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Disagreeable said:
aplusmnt said:
It would take a few planes and bombs to get them out of the region. That is the problem we do not fight to win we fight to appease Liberals world wide.

Unbelievable. We have a 140,000 American troops in Iraq and we can't keep peace. We can't build bridges, we can't keep the oil flowing, we can't keep the electricity going. And you say "a few planes and bombs....". It would take a great number of those 140,000 troops and while they were tied up in the south of Iraq, Anbar would get worse, or another portion of the country would go bad. You are not paying attention to what's going on.

Never thought Democracy was our reason to go to Iraq. We went there to oust a leader that was a threat to the U.S. one that had basically declared war on the U.S. and has and would support Terrorist against us. Iraq was an enemy that supports terrorist methods.

I never though democracy was our reason to go into Iraq either. Bush sold us on the war by claiming Saddam had WMDs and would give them to terrorist to bring to the US. Our nation still had the 9/11 wound and he poked and prodded at that wound to get what he wanted. AFTER he realized there were no WMDs, he turned to the "free the Iraqi people" theme. When Americans indicated they didn't much care if the Iraqi people were free or not, he turned to the "war against terror" theme. That one has worked well, even though the military hate it. They tried to get it changed because they say it indicates that Iraq is a war that can be won by the military. That's inaccurate.

I could care less rather they have a democracy or not. Personally I would level the whole place and move on. But that is not something we will do. So now we have to continue to kill terrorist as they come to Iraq. And get the country going in some good direction before pulling out.

What gives you the right to level another country? One that did absolutely nothing to us? The arrogance of people like you that think just because we're America we have the right to tell the rest of the world to live leaves me speechless...almost.

Even though I do not think this war was about Oil, the leaving certainly should be. We can not just up and leave the resources that are in Iraq such as the Oil to fall in the hands of Iran, Humas type groups or Al Qaeda.

Yes we can just up and leave the resources in Iraq to the Iraqis. That's what international law would tell us to do. It's not our oil; it's the Iraqi's oil to do whatever they want to do with it. Again you seem to think just because you're an American you can tell another country what to do.

You try to simplify this issue and it is not simple. Cut and Run is to simple of an approach. Will not be in Iraq's or U.S. best interest.

I never said it was simple. I think it's too complex for a quick fix. I just think there's no point any more for American soldiers to be targets of both sides in Iraq. The time for diplomacy is long over due. The time for Iraq's neighbors to step in and help is long over due. The time for the US to get the UN involved is long over due. None of these things requires 100,000 US soldiers to be in Iraq.

They say we can not win this war, well I say lets fight it like a war, lets start some more shock and awe and blow some crap up. Lets start shooting some people and tell the civilians either you are for us or against us. Now clean up your own mess or we will be leveling the place.

If the Bush Bunch had gone into Iraq like it was a war, things might have been different. But they didn't. They ignored professional military advice and sent too few troops, too light. After Saddam fell it should have been turned over to the State Dept, but Powell wasn't one of "the boys" and Rumsfeld kept control. The US Army is not trained to build a country. They're trained to kill people, destroy stuff, and take ground. Bush screwed this thing up from the very git go. Do you believe the generals leading our military are stupid? Do you believe there should be no rules of war? Some civilians are for us. They are being killed by those who are against us. We can't protect them. So now what? Do you expect them to die for the USA?

Are you an American? Just curious?

First off you just want to believe all is bad because Bush is in charge and you are anti war.

Everything is not a hopeless as you would have it be. We are making improvements in their Utilities like Electricity. You just believe the negative Liberal media that points out shortages in Baghdad, but you do not realize it was worse with Saddam. He would pull the resources from around the country to keep Baghdad lit and not care about other parts of country. We are building and establishing infrastructure through out the country not just Baghdad.

We are building schools. Hospitals. You would have people to believe everyone is hiding in tents scared to come out. Next time you watch the news look at the pics. People are living there lives. It is not as grim as you like to believe.


What gives me the right to level an entire country you ask? Nothing does. That is why I am not in charge and why I should not be in charge. I am to unbalanced and would not be able to put up with the crap. All I told you was what I would do. I recognize that is not what should be done or think Bush should do it.

I do think the Soldiers should be given more of a green light as far as rules of engagement and allowed to kick some a$$ and put some people in body bags. Just like Vietnam they have to many rules to follow before being allowed to fire upon the enemy.
 

kolanuraven

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I am to unbalanced.... as per the last post by aplus :roll: :roll:



Whoa!!! See I told ya'll!!!!! What's that saying, "the truth shall set you free"?

"to" vs. " too"????????
 

P Joe

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kolanuraven said:
I am to unbalanced.... as per the last post by aplus :roll: :roll:



Whoa!!! See I told ya'll!!!!! What's that saying, "the truth shall set you free"?

"to" vs. " too"????????

ARE you just trying to be this freakin stupid, or were you born that way? :mad:

Here we are having a worthy debate on a topic, and you but in with 2 worthless cents of yours. AGAIN. And you wonder why people get pist. Some one needs to confiscate you keyboard because you are just plain too stupid to use one.

Take your over-educated a$$ and get on you private it jet and go find Amelia Earhart.
 

Soapweed

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kolanuraven said:
I am to unbalanced.... as per the last post by aplus :roll: :roll:



Whoa!!! See I told ya'll!!!!! What's that saying, "the truth shall set you free"?

"to" vs. " too"????????

You are doing very well there, young lady. :wink: :)
 

aplusmnt

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Soapweed said:
kolanuraven said:
I am to unbalanced.... as per the last post by aplus :roll: :roll:



Whoa!!! See I told ya'll!!!!! What's that saying, "the truth shall set you free"?

"to" vs. " too"????????

You are doing very well there, young lady. :wink: :)

I think Kolan is spending hours a day now going through post on here looking for in proper grammar. :lol:

I think we should look at the positive side of Kolan's stupid post, that being that they are usually pretty short. Compared to Disagree, Kolan at least waste less of our time in reading them.

But I suspect that it is because she can only type with two fingers. Must not have had a keyboard or Typing class at whatever fancy school she attended.
 

kolanuraven

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No I don't LOOK for the mistakes.....in fact I ignored most of the ones made by other posters and really got to where I didn't give a ratz arse about it. UNTIL... my minute mistake got held up to great mockery...so what's fair for the gander to do.....so can the goose!!!



P Joe....It is known who you are so you can calm down!!
 

Steve

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my minute mistake got held up to great mockery...so what's fair for the gander to do

the internet post lends to some common mistakes,....and the use of punctuation flaws...such as the inability to start a paragraph correctly or tha interject a space.

I use the period method to interject a space, ... as do many others,...I just makes points stand alone and reading easier,.. with that said., humor is also often lost because the tone can not be typed.

I felt Soap's catching your error in connection with your Education comment fair and funny. ,... and even thought when it went south soon after,..that my comment about a chevy citation was in jest,and an effort to bring it back to center,......but guess not.

as for your current spelling catch it appears as it was Just to nitpick...isn't that just starting the whole cat fight over again? when I read your last post I almost corrected it,..but with humor....but felt the whole thing was not fitting for the bright season.....so to end on a better note,...


Merry Christmas to all

Happy Hanukkah



and just for the liberals, and PC crowd, and terrorists reading Ranchers net
Eid Mubarak
Happy Kawanza
Festive Winter Solstice
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
No I don't LOOK for the mistakes.....in fact I ignored most of the ones made by other posters and really got to where I didn't give a ratz arse about it. UNTIL... my minute mistake got held up to great mockery...so what's fair for the gander to do.....so can the goose!!!



P Joe....It is known who you are so you can calm down!!

I really do not mind you spell checking me, I am more than willing to learn better grammar from anyone, even you.

Not sure why you are picking on me though, I did not think I made any comments about your spelling, but then again things kind of run together on here and maybe I did.

But if you have time to look all them words up in the dictionary to know if they are spelled properly then more power to you! :wink:

Ps. it is Rat's not ratz :lol:
 

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