True but the fact that our country had millions of slaves as well will be a dark cloud over the heritage of all americans.Red Bull said:America made up about 8% of the Atlantic Slave trade. But you would think we were the only ones involved. Blacks were lucky to come here in stead of a muslim country.
Red there were 4 million in the country at the time of the war between the states. True by that time most had been born here of former slaves but they were still slaves.Red Bull said:We never came close to to millions of slaves TB. You can not find that kind of number anywhere. The whole Atlantic slave trade was not in the millions.
Brad nobody is arguing who started it or where it started. The fact is "it existed here" both north and south and was exploited for well over 300 years just as it was in other parts of the world. No denying that. Just because others did it did mean we had to but I guess greed always grabs many and pulls them in. There is a reason much of the population of the Indies and South America is black or black mixed race....and it's becoming more and more common even here.Brad S said:"
"True but the fact that our country had millions of slaves as well will be a dark cloud over the heritage of all americans."
I think most of the Americans that were involved in slave trade are deceased. But I think the Americans that paid billions for African relief - I run into them everyday. I also know the slave trade was started by African tribes ridding themselves of thieves and prostitutes. I'm not going to draw any genetic connections - that would be racist.
The more Indians we can kill this year the fewer we will need to kill the next, because the more I see of the Indians the more convinced I become that they must either all be killed or be maintained as a species of pauper. Their attempts at civilization is ridiculous... Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman
Mike you think the southern aristocracy that did own most of the slaves was any less terroristic??
Mike said:Mike you think the southern aristocracy that did own most of the slaves was any less terroristic??
Absolutely. Southern slave owners didn't just kill slaves at will like Sherman and other Federal Generals proposed and did to the Indians. (Men, women, & children)
The South wasn't quite as dependent on the North as some would have us believe. Since British ships were constantly crossing the Atlantic for cotton,(if tariffs weren't too high to stifle the transactions) they must bring goods over for ship ballast alone. The North was having to compete with England on prices which was having an economic effect on the North. The North wanted the South for a captive buyers market and were successful through tariffs and blockades.
You ain't changing my mind about how it all went down. But you sure are projecting an image of how much you don't know about American history.
he North produced 17 times more cotton and woolen textiles than the South, 30 times more leather goods, 20 times more pig iron, and 32 times more firearms. The North produced 3,200 firearms to every 100 produced in the South. Only about 40 percent of the Northern population was still engaged in agriculture by 1860, as compared to 84 percent of the South.
Even in the agricultural sector, Northern farmers were out-producing their southern counterparts in several important areas, as Southern agriculture remained labor intensive while northern agriculture became increasingly mechanized. By 1860, the free states had nearly twice the value of farm machinery per acre and per farm worker as did the slave states, leading to increased productivity. As a result, in 1860, the Northern states produced half of the nation's corn, four-fifths of its wheat, and seven-eighths of its oats.
The industrialization of the northern states had an impact upon urbanization and immigration. By 1860, 26 percent of the Northern population lived in urban areas, led by the remarkable growth of cities such as Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Detroit, with their farm-machinery, food-processing, machine-tool, and railroad equipment factories. Only about a tenth of the southern population lived in urban areas.
Free states attracted the vast majority of the waves of European immigration through the mid-19th century. Fully seven-eighths of foreign immigrants settled in free states. As a consequence, the population of the states that stayed in the Union was approximately 23 million as compared to a population of 9 million in the states of the Confederacy. This translated directly into the Union having 3.5 million males of military age - 18 to 45 - as compared to 1 million for the South. About 75 percent of Southern males fought the war, as compared to about half of Northern men.
The Southern lag in industrial development did not result from any inherent economic disadvantages. There was great wealth in the South, but it was primarily tied up in the slave economy. In 1860, the economic value of slaves in the United States exceeded the invested value of all of the nation's railroads, factories, and banks combined. On the eve of the Civil War, cotton prices were at an all-time high. The Confederate leaders were confident that the importance of cotton on the world market, particularly in England and France, would provide the South with the diplomatic and military assistance they needed for victory.
The events which transpired five thousand years ago; Five years ago or five minutes ago, have determined what will happen five minutes from now; five years From now or five thousand years from now. All history is a current event John Henrik Clarke