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Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

Mike

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Guns probably aren't allowed (by Law) in the Immigration Center. :roll:

What good did that law do? :roll:

The "Center" is/was vulnerable as is a school. The gunman knew there would be no contest there and he would be the only with a gun.

See what more gun laws do? They make the law abiding people vulnerable to these type of situations............ :mad:

Take all the gun laws away and more people will be better off.
 

hopalong

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All this happening in a state with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation!

So much for additional gun laws, right R2? ,Ask your cousin who knows a cousin that might have a clue!!!! :roll: :roll:
 

Larrry

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Gun men
April 2, 12:13 AM · 4 comments
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I am a gun man. Always have been.

Firearms were never portrayed in my family of origin as an evil to be feared but as a tool for self-defense. I never remember a time when a firearm was not in the house. And that goes for my grandparents on both sides of the family as well.

The people in my family were taught how to use guns wisely and safely. Safety was the primary rule. And I never remember anyone in my entire family who was forced to use a firearm against another human being, except on the battlefield during war.

They didn't have to.

When self-defense is properly understood, then only rarely is it necessary to even draw your firearm, much less fire it. And those who are forced by circumstances to draw their firearm normally do not have to take the next step. Simply presenting the weapon is all it takes to scare the perpetrator away.

But make no mistake about it. Those who know self-defense are prepared to use their firearm when necessary.

Although I have never fired my gun at a human being, I would not hesitate to do so in the right circumstance, and I would use the necessary firepower to stop the perpetrator, up to and including death.

An armed citizenry is not dangerous. Armed citizens who train, practice, exercise common sense in safety and use, are the best way for a society to survive the onslaughts of malcontents who steal, rape, and murder.

And this is not to mention that an armed citizenry is the best way to remind government that it serves the people and not the other way around. Government should fear the citizens. Nothing keeps tyranny in check any better than for the tyrants to know that if they violate the clear principles of liberty they will be met with hordes of angry citizens with guns.

The problem in Washington and in most states these days is that government is not sufficiently fearful of the citizens.


http://www.examiner.com/x-3704-Columbia-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m4d2-Gun-men
 

badaxemoo

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Sandhusker said:
So, how are you moonbats going to fix this?

First we'll have to figure out if the homicidal nut's ownership of the gun was a right or a privilege.

I'm sure the families of the victims would very much like to find this out.
 

hopalong

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reader (the Second) said:
Too many of these back to back. Must be a conspiracy by the moonbat anti-gun liberals and Pelosi. :roll:

Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY
5 mins ago

BINGHAMTON, N.Y. – A gunman entered an immigration services center in downtown Binghamton on Friday, shot at least four people and took as many as 41 hostage, according to media reports.

Mayor Matthew Ryan told the Binghamton Press & Sun Bulletin that there was a hostage situation involving a gunman with a high-powered rifle.

The condition of the victims wasn't immediately clear. A Binghamton police dispatcher who spoke to The Associated Press wouldn't confirm a number of people shot or injured.

The newspaper reported 41 hostages in the building of the American Civic Association and said apartments were being evacuated.

Emergency dispatchers were in contact with some people inside by phone, WBNG-TV reported. The gunman might still be in the building, the newspaper reported.

Four people were removed from the building on stretchers and taken to hospitals, and 10 more ambulances were called, the newspaper reported. The Binghamton SWAT team responded.

Linda Miller, a spokeswoman at Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital in Binghamton, confirmed that a student from Binghamton University was being treated at the emergency room. Miller said she didn't know the nature of the injuries.

"We're on full alert anticipating we're going to get additional casualties," Miller said.

The area is a commercial stretch on the west side of the Chenango River. Police have locked down a nearby high school and advised local business owners to stay inside.

People escaped to the basement of the building and more than a dozen people hid in a closet, WBNG reported.

The American Civic Association describes itself as helping immigrants and refugees with counseling, resettlement, citizenship, family reunification and translators.

It also intervenes with emergencies, including fighting, hunger and homelessness, according to information from the association's Web site.

The high powered rifle has yet to be found!
:roll: :roll:
 

hopalong

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badaxemoo said:
Sandhusker said:
So, how are you moonbats going to fix this?

First we'll have to figure out if the homicidal nut's ownership of the gun was a right or a privilege.

I'm sure the families of the victims would very much like to find this out.

Seems he was a non citizen so the right or privilege is a non issue.
especially in a state with very stringent laws regarding gun ownership
so he was a criminal from the get go!!!!!!!!!!!

I am sure the families would very much like to know this as well!
 

aplusmnt

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badaxemoo said:
Sandhusker said:
So, how are you moonbats going to fix this?

First we'll have to figure out if the homicidal nut's ownership of the gun was a right or a privilege.

I'm sure the families of the victims would very much like to find this out.

Neither makes a difference. He was a bad man and he killed people end of story. Bad men been killing people since the start of time, rather they did it with rocks, swords or guns is of no concern. And I hate to tell you this, but bad people will continue to kill people rather it is with their Cars, Poison, Knife (as in OJ's case), aint a dang thing anyone can do about it and especially not a liberal!
 

Mike

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badaxemoo said:
Sandhusker said:
So, how are you moonbats going to fix this?

First we'll have to figure out if the homicidal nut's ownership of the gun was a right or a privilege.

The "Rights" of others being able to defend themselves was absent and directly allowed the results in that building today. :mad: :mad:
 

hopalong

Well-known member
hopalong said:
badaxemoo said:
Sandhusker said:
So, how are you moonbats going to fix this?

First we'll have to figure out if the homicidal nut's ownership of the gun was a right or a privilege.

I'm sure the families of the victims would very much like to find this out.

Seems he was a non citizen so the right or privilege is a non issue.
especially in a state with very stringent laws regarding gun ownership
so he was a criminal from the get go!!!!!!!!!!!

I am sure the families would very much like to know this as well!

My error seems he was a citizen, but it also seems as he may have had a checkered past and therefore illegal for him to have owned a weapon!
 

Sandhusker

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badaxemoo said:
Sandhusker said:
So, how are you moonbats going to fix this?

First we'll have to figure out if the homicidal nut's ownership of the gun was a right or a privilege.

I'm sure the families of the victims would very much like to find this out.

That's a pretty stupid thing to say.
 

nonothing

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aplusmnt said:
badaxemoo said:
Sandhusker said:
So, how are you moonbats going to fix this?

First we'll have to figure out if the homicidal nut's ownership of the gun was a right or a privilege.

I'm sure the families of the victims would very much like to find this out.

Neither makes a difference. He was a bad man and he killed people end of story. Bad men been killing people since the start of time, rather they did it with rocks, swords or guns is of no concern. And I hate to tell you this, but bad people will continue to kill people rather it is with their Cars, Poison, Knife (as in OJ's case), aint a dang thing anyone can do about it and especially not a liberal!


I agree with Aplus...Most bad folks intent on killing others probably will find away...I think making it tougher to get the tools of the trade for bad guys like this has a case for debate....That being said,I have to ask myself how hard would it be to buy dynamite and tape it to himself and stand in a crowed lunch room as he hit the trigger....I do know a ban of guns will not solve the issue of gun violence...Would it save some lives.of course but people would still be killed by guns.Would more live or Die,that arguement will always rage on........

I think the effort and money spent on banning guns or controling them,would be better spent on victims of crimes and the prusuit of criminals in front of the courts...Guns kill,that we all know..some kill for protection,others because of inner deamons and some just by accident.In the end they kill and that is there sole purpose when it comes down to it..I have come to the realization that gun ownership runs deep for what ever the reason and the intent to kill should not fall on the gun,but rather the user. ...As sad as it is ,we live in a violent driven society as those that instill crime use guns and those that fear criminals also need guns..This debate of gun control is no longer worth the time it takes up...Aplus is right,bad people kill people..guns or not that wont change...I just ask one thing to all gun owners.If you have guns in your home ,teach your children the dangers of those guns and how to handle them properly..
 

Texan

Well-known member
nonothing said:
I agree with Aplus...Most bad folks intent on killing others probably will find away...I think making it tougher to get the tools of the trade for bad guys like this has a case for debate....That being said,I have to ask myself how hard would it be to buy dynamite and tape it to himself and stand in a crowed lunch room as he hit the trigger....I do know a ban of guns will not solve the issue of gun violence...Would it save some lives.of course but people would still be killed by guns.Would more live or Die,that arguement will always rage on........

I think the effort and money spent on banning guns or controling them,would be better spent on victims of crimes and the prusuit of criminals in front of the courts...Guns kill,that we all know..some kill for protection,others because of inner deamons and some just by accident.In the end they kill and that is there sole purpose when it comes down to it..I have come to the realization that gun ownership runs deep for what ever the reason and the intent to kill should not fall on the gun,but rather the user. ...As sad as it is ,we live in a violent driven society as those that instill crime use guns and those that fear criminals also need guns..This debate of gun control is no longer worth the time it takes up...Aplus is right,bad people kill people..guns or not that wont change...I just ask one thing to all gun owners.If you have guns in your home ,teach your children the dangers of those guns and how to handle them properly..
You done good here, nonothing. Great post. I don't mind telling you when you're wrong, so it's only fair to point out when I agree with you, too. :wink:


(Edit: Don't take it wrong - me using that little winking smilie. :lol: )
 

Tam

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The guy had two hand guns and he was licenced to have them in 1997 according to the news this morning.
 

Steve

Well-known member
nonothing said:
aplusmnt said:
badaxemoo said:
First we'll have to figure out if the homicidal nut's ownership of the gun was a right or a privilege.

I'm sure the families of the victims would very much like to find this out.

Neither makes a difference. He was a bad man and he killed people end of story. Bad men been killing people since the start of time, rather they did it with rocks, swords or guns is of no concern. And I hate to tell you this, but bad people will continue to kill people rather it is with their Cars, Poison, Knife (as in OJ's case), aint a dang thing anyone can do about it and especially not a liberal!


I agree with Aplus...Most bad folks intent on killing others probably will find away...I think making it tougher to get the tools of the trade for bad guys like this has a case for debate....That being said,I have to ask myself how hard would it be to buy dynamite and tape it to himself and stand in a crowed lunch room as he hit the trigger....I do know a ban of guns will not solve the issue of gun violence...Would it save some lives.of course but people would still be killed by guns.Would more live or Die,that arguement will always rage on........

I think the effort and money spent on banning guns or controling them,would be better spent on victims of crimes and the prusuit of criminals in front of the courts...Guns kill,that we all know..some kill for protection,others because of inner deamons and some just by accident.In the end they kill and that is there sole purpose when it comes down to it..I have come to the realization that gun ownership runs deep for what ever the reason and the intent to kill should not fall on the gun,but rather the user. ...As sad as it is ,we live in a violent driven society as those that instill crime use guns and those that fear criminals also need guns..This debate of gun control is no longer worth the time it takes up...Aplus is right,bad people kill people..guns or not that wont change...I just ask one thing to all gun owners.If you have guns in your home ,teach your children the dangers of those guns and how to handle them properly..

good point on the teaching your children, on how to handle them properly..
 

Mrs.Greg

Well-known member
Steve said:
nonothing said:
aplusmnt said:
Neither makes a difference. He was a bad man and he killed people end of story. Bad men been killing people since the start of time, rather they did it with rocks, swords or guns is of no concern. And I hate to tell you this, but bad people will continue to kill people rather it is with their Cars, Poison, Knife (as in OJ's case), aint a dang thing anyone can do about it and especially not a liberal!


I agree with Aplus...Most bad folks intent on killing others probably will find away...I think making it tougher to get the tools of the trade for bad guys like this has a case for debate....That being said,I have to ask myself how hard would it be to buy dynamite and tape it to himself and stand in a crowed lunch room as he hit the trigger....I do know a ban of guns will not solve the issue of gun violence...Would it save some lives.of course but people would still be killed by guns.Would more live or Die,that arguement will always rage on........

I think the effort and money spent on banning guns or controling them,would be better spent on victims of crimes and the prusuit of criminals in front of the courts...Guns kill,that we all know..some kill for protection,others because of inner deamons and some just by accident.In the end they kill and that is there sole purpose when it comes down to it..I have come to the realization that gun ownership runs deep for what ever the reason and the intent to kill should not fall on the gun,but rather the user. ...As sad as it is ,we live in a violent driven society as those that instill crime use guns and those that fear criminals also need guns..This debate of gun control is no longer worth the time it takes up...Aplus is right,bad people kill people..guns or not that wont change...I just ask one thing to all gun owners.If you have guns in your home ,teach your children the dangers of those guns and how to handle them properly..

good point on the teaching your children, on how to handle them properly..
I believe when it really comes down to it,its the accidental shootings that make people cry the loudest! We all look to get the fact that doesn't matter but a killers gonna do his job one way or another and registering his gun means no matter either way.

The accidental shootings are often the result of lack of knowledge and carelessness. Learning properly how to use and mostly respect guns SHOULD be taught to our youth. Hubby had our kids shooting and respecting guns early on. They were taught to NEVER EVER point even a stick gun at another human. From about 6 when taught to use BB guns to older shotguns etc...they had to take their firearm courses,plus practice.Hes banned the use for awhile when he thought one wasn't being held properly in a truck although it was empty.I'm not one that believes gun use is a right but believe its a privelage that needs to be earned and respected.

Registering guns will never ever be a deterant to a criminal...pure & simple,gun registeries DON'T work....You guys fight that tooth & Nail!!!



{Ok,lots of spelling & punctuation errors but you get my point :wink:}
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Mrs.Greg said:
Steve said:
nonothing said:
I agree with Aplus...Most bad folks intent on killing others probably will find away...I think making it tougher to get the tools of the trade for bad guys like this has a case for debate....That being said,I have to ask myself how hard would it be to buy dynamite and tape it to himself and stand in a crowed lunch room as he hit the trigger....I do know a ban of guns will not solve the issue of gun violence...Would it save some lives.of course but people would still be killed by guns.Would more live or Die,that arguement will always rage on........

I think the effort and money spent on banning guns or controling them,would be better spent on victims of crimes and the prusuit of criminals in front of the courts...Guns kill,that we all know..some kill for protection,others because of inner deamons and some just by accident.In the end they kill and that is there sole purpose when it comes down to it..I have come to the realization that gun ownership runs deep for what ever the reason and the intent to kill should not fall on the gun,but rather the user. ...As sad as it is ,we live in a violent driven society as those that instill crime use guns and those that fear criminals also need guns..This debate of gun control is no longer worth the time it takes up...Aplus is right,bad people kill people..guns or not that wont change...I just ask one thing to all gun owners.If you have guns in your home ,teach your children the dangers of those guns and how to handle them properly..

good point on the teaching your children, on how to handle them properly..
I believe when it really comes down to it,its the accidental shootings that make people cry the loudest! We all look to get the fact that doesn't matter but a killers gonna do his job one way or another and registering his gun means no matter either way.

The accidental shootings are often the result of lack of knowledge and carelessness. Learning properly how to use and mostly respect guns SHOULD be taught to our youth. Hubby had our kids shooting and respecting guns early on. They were taught to NEVER EVER point even a stick gun at another human. From about 6 when taught to use BB guns to older shotguns etc...they had to take their firearm courses,plus practice.Hes banned the use for awhile when he thought one wasn't being held properly in a truck although it was empty.I'm not one that believes gun use is a right but believe its a privelage that needs to be earned and respected.

Registering guns will never ever be a deterant to a criminal...pure & simple,gun registeries DON'T work....You guys fight that tooth & Nail!!!



{Ok,lots of spelling & punctuation errors but you get my point :wink:}

Thank you Mrs Greg!!!!!
 
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