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Republican calls for Gay Marriage Support!!!!!

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WHAT NEXT :???: Rush supports Bunny Huggers and Vegans- and now Republicans are calling for supporting Gay Marriage...They keep this up and pretty soon they won't have anything to stir the peabrained of the masses with their fearmongering and hatemongering.... :wink: :lol: :p

April 16, 2009
Ex-McCain aide to call for gay marriage support
Posted: 09:58 PM ET

From CNN Senior Congressional Correspondent Dana Bash



WASHINGTON (CNN) - Steve Schmidt, a key architect of John McCain's presidential campaign, is making his first public return to Washington a bold one.

Schmidt will use a speech Friday to Log Cabin Republicans, a gay rights group, to urge conservative Republicans to drop their opposition to same-sex marriage, CNN has learned.

"There is a sound conservative argument to be made for same-sex marriage," Schmidt will say, according to speech excerpts obtained by CNN. "I believe conservatives, more than liberals, insist that rights come with responsibilities. No other exercise of one's liberty comes with greater responsibilities than marriage."

Schmidt makes both policy and political arguments for a Republican embrace of same-sex marriage.

On the policy front, Schmidt likens the fight for gay rights to civil rights and women's rights, and he admonishes conservatives who argue for the protection of the unborn as a God-given right, but against protections for same-sex couples.

"It cannot be argued that marriage between people of the same sex is un American or threatens the rights of others," he says in the speech. "On the contrary, it seems to me that denying two consenting adults of the same sex the right to form a lawful union that is protected and respected by the state denies them two of the most basic natural rights affirmed in the preamble of our Declaration of Independence — liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

"That, I believe, gives the argument of same sex marriage proponents its moral force," Schmidt will say.

Politically, he will say that becoming more open and accepting is critical to reversing an alarming trend for Republicans — a shrinking coalition. He will note that Republicans should be especially concerned that McCain got crushed by Barack Obama among voters under 30, who are generally more accepting of gay couples and at odds with the GOP.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/16/ex-mccain-aide-to-call-for-gay-marriage-support/
 

Sandhusker

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"he will say that becoming more open and accepting is critical to reversing an alarming trend for Republicans — a shrinking coalition."

More of that CNN "reporting"..... :roll: Shows you how much credibility to give the entire article.
 
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Sandhusker said:
"he will say that becoming more open and accepting is critical to reversing an alarming trend for Republicans — a shrinking coalition."

More of that CNN "reporting"..... :roll: Shows you how much credibility to give the entire article.

Well- just for you- heres the rightwing medias take on it :wink: :lol: ....This fellow is just repeating what I've said for years was happening to the Repub Party--and the reason they're losing generation after generation of the young and educated.....

McCain Strategist Warns GOP Risks Becoming 'Religious Party'
Steve Schmidt urges Republicans to begin voicing more support for civil unions and gay rights.


FOXNews.com

Friday, April 17, 2009



John McCain's top adviser from the presidential campaign urged fellow Republicans on Friday to warm up to gay rights and warned that the GOP risks becoming the "religious party" with its opposition to same-sex marriage.

Steve Schmidt, in his first political appearance since the election, spoke at the Washington, D.C., convention for the Log Cabin Republicans -- a grassroots group for gay and lesbian Republicans.

He urged Republicans, in the near-term, to endorse civil unions and stop using the Bible as rationale for gay-marriage opposition.

"If you put public policy issues to a religious test, you risk becoming a religious party," he said. "And in a free country a political party cannot be viable in the long-term if it is seen as a sectarian party."

Schmidt, whose sister is a lesbian and who supports same-sex marriage, said he understands the Republican Party probably won't reverse its resistance to same-sex marriage anytime soon.

But he suggested that the party will be increasingly marginalized if it sustains that opposition long-term.

"If the party is seen as anti-gay, then that is injurious to its candidates" in Democrat-leaning and competitive states, he said.

President Obama also stops short of supporting gay marriage -- he supports civil unions -- but states across the country are moving toward extending such rights to gay couples.

Schmidt predicted gay marriage will create a bigger and bigger divide between the GOP and the electorate in the years ahead. He said that as young voters age, they may adopt conservative views on the economy and national security -- but they will not abandon liberal, social beliefs.

This would put the Republican Party at odds with a swath of voters, Schmidt said.

"I believe Republicans should re-examine the extent that we are being defined by positions on issues that I don't believe are among our core values," he said, while still calling social conservatives an "indispensable part of the conservative coalition."

Schmidt's position is not new. Schmidt recently asserted his support for same-sex marriage rights in March during an interview with the Washington Blade, a newspaper that covers gay and lesbian issues.

But Schmidt's advice to his party took a different tone than the social platform trumpeted Thursday by McCain running mate Sarah Palin -- the Alaska governor gave an out-of-state political speech for the first time in months Thursday, to an anti-abortion group in Indiana.

There she chastised Obama for supporting abortion rights and defended her abortion opposition.

Schmidt also said Friday that Republicans need to reach out, not only to gay voters, but young voters and Hispanics.

"The rapid growth of the Hispanic-American population for instance could soon cost Republicans the entire southwest if we don't recover our previous share of the vote," he said.

FOX News' Mosheh Oinounou contributed to this report.
 

nonothing

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He said that as young voters age, they may adopt conservative views on the economy and national security -- but they will not abandon liberal, social beliefs
.

That there is a man thinking outside the party box....That may be the most sensible thing said by either parties members in a very long time.
 

hypocritexposer

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I was young once, my views today are totally different, I learned that those "younger" views do not necessarily make the world better, or cost me less!
 

Sandhusker

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nonothing said:
He said that as young voters age, they may adopt conservative views on the economy and national security -- but they will not abandon liberal, social beliefs
.

That there is a man thinking outside the party box....That may be the most sensible thing said by either parties members in a very long time.

So, why wouldn't a person change their social beliefs as they age?
 

nonothing

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Sandhusker said:
nonothing said:
He said that as young voters age, they may adopt conservative views on the economy and national security -- but they will not abandon liberal, social beliefs
.

That there is a man thinking outside the party box....That may be the most sensible thing said by either parties members in a very long time.

So, why wouldn't a person change their social beliefs as they age?

Have yours?
 

Sandhusker

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Yes, I've gotten more conservative.

The reason I asked you that question is because at first glance, I figured you were just throwing a blanket agreement on anything a Republican would say that would run contrary to conservatives, whether it made any sense or not. But then, I figured maybe you did have a reason for agreeing with the statement. Looks like my initial reaction was right.
 

nonothing

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Sorry ********* but your wrong again..I do believe you will find more people who are leaning towards a more conservative goverment spending ideology,yet do not want the Social side of the present Conservative life style.......In fact if a new party was to started today combining fiscal conservatism with a liberal take on society,it is my belief that will be the party of the future.....

Religon will soon be out of politics and those who worry about the leaders preachers will become less and less..As hypocrisy of religous leaders and the endless differences in how it is understood has turned people away and opened up more questions...White man rule will also be comming to an end,as more and more people of color will be motivated to get involved...I am not saying you have to accept this or not,I just think you better realize what socially drives you today has grown tiresome to the new generations,people are just no longer fearing what others think...Take something as simple as a Tatoo ,when you were a kid the only people that had Tatoos were sailers and bikers,and consevative parents would never agree to the son or daughter owning a Tatoo...Well now the Tatoo has become mainstream so much so that Women are having them done just as much as men..It is just a little thing in a big world,but it shows that people no longer care what the nieghbors or the rest of the world thinks about them... ....I am not saying it is right or wrong but to not notice that social change is on its way,is just putting your head in the sand...
 
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nonothing said:
Sorry ********* but your wrong again..I do believe you will find more people who are leaning towards a more conservative goverment spending ideology,yet do not want the Social side of the present Conservative life style.......In fact if a new party was to started today combining fiscal conservatism with a liberal take on society,it is my belief that will be the party of the future.....

Religon will soon be out of politics and those who worry about the leaders preachers will become less and less..As hypocrisy of religous leaders and the endless differences in how it is understood has turned people away and opened up more questions...White man rule will also be comming to an end,as more and more people of color will be motivated to get involved...I am not saying you have to accept this or not,I just think you better realize what socially drives you today has grown tiresome to the new generations,people are just no longer fearing what others think...Take something as simple as a Tatoo ,when you were a kid the only people that had Tatoos were sailers and bikers,and consevative parents would never agree to the son or daughter owning a Tatoo...Well now the Tatoo has become mainstream so much so that Women are having them done just as much as men..It is just a little thing in a big world,but it shows that people no longer care what the nieghbors or the rest of the world thinks about them... ....I am not saying it is right or wrong but to not notice that social change is on its way,is just putting your head in the sand...

:agree:

Even many of the studies/surveys done have shown that while many folks are fiscally conservative/moderate they are much more socially liberal and tolerant-and do not think political parties should be tied to any single religion or religious belief (fear the Extremist Fundamentalist Christian movement that has become the base of the current Repub party) - and that that is what has driven them away from the Republican Party (especially the younger generations that have moved past race and sexual preference and can't stand the right wing extremist racism and homophobia- and think medical practices and science should be left to decisions between individuals and their Doctors and to the Scientists) ....

I read a lot of posts on the Republicans for Obama site- and that was the main thing that drove many to support Obama over McCain- and the current direction of the Republican Party....Especially since with McCain as the candidate it was a given there would be no change in "fiscal conservaty"...
 

Sandhusker

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"I read a lot of posts on the Republicans for Obama site- and that was the main thing that drove many to support Obama over McCain- and the current direction of the Republican Party....Especially since with McCain as the candidate it was a given there would be no change in "fiscal conservaty"..."

A fiscal conservative would choose Obama over McCain? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Sandhusker said:
"I read a lot of posts on the Republicans for Obama site- and that was the main thing that drove many to support Obama over McCain- and the current direction of the Republican Party....Especially since with McCain as the candidate it was a given there would be no change in "fiscal conservaty"..."

A fiscal conservative would choose Obama over McCain? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He supported GW 95% of the time-- and look at the "fiscal conservaty" of GW :roll: ...McCains 25 years in D.C. (the last 6 in total control as the "fiscal conservative" majority party) helped put the economy right where it is today...Both parties have spent like drunken sailors- this election was just a choice of where you were going to spend it....

The folks had to choose if they wanted to spend it on more wars (remember Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran was his campaign theme song) and nationbuilding in a Sandpit (100 years in Iraq)- or spend it rebuilding America and for Americans-- and they chose the latter...
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
"I read a lot of posts on the Republicans for Obama site- and that was the main thing that drove many to support Obama over McCain- and the current direction of the Republican Party....Especially since with McCain as the candidate it was a given there would be no change in "fiscal conservaty"..."

A fiscal conservative would choose Obama over McCain? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He supported GW 95% of the time-- and look at the "fiscal conservaty" of GW :roll: ...McCains 25 years in D.C. (the last 6 in total control as the "fiscal conservative" majority party) helped put the economy right where it is today...Both parties have spent like drunken sailors- this election was just a choice of where you were going to spend it....

The folks had to choose if they wanted to spend it on more wars (remember Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran was his campaign theme song) and nationbuilding in a Sandpit (100 years in Iraq)- or spend it rebuilding America and for Americans-- and they chose the latter...

Don't even try to tell me that any fiscal conservative would support a flipping socialist for fiscal reasons. That is totally assinine. Obama in 4 months has spent how much compared to Bush in 8 years? What is going to happen to the economy when we have to pay Obama's credit card?
 
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Oldtimer said:
nonothing said:
Sorry ********* but your wrong again..I do believe you will find more people who are leaning towards a more conservative goverment spending ideology,yet do not want the Social side of the present Conservative life style.......In fact if a new party was to started today combining fiscal conservatism with a liberal take on society,it is my belief that will be the party of the future.....

Religon will soon be out of politics and those who worry about the leaders preachers will become less and less..As hypocrisy of religous leaders and the endless differences in how it is understood has turned people away and opened up more questions...White man rule will also be comming to an end,as more and more people of color will be motivated to get involved...I am not saying you have to accept this or not,I just think you better realize what socially drives you today has grown tiresome to the new generations,people are just no longer fearing what others think...Take something as simple as a Tatoo ,when you were a kid the only people that had Tatoos were sailers and bikers,and consevative parents would never agree to the son or daughter owning a Tatoo...Well now the Tatoo has become mainstream so much so that Women are having them done just as much as men..It is just a little thing in a big world,but it shows that people no longer care what the nieghbors or the rest of the world thinks about them... ....I am not saying it is right or wrong but to not notice that social change is on its way,is just putting your head in the sand...

:agree:

Even many of the studies/surveys done have shown that while many folks are fiscally conservative/moderate they are much more socially liberal and tolerant-and do not think political parties should be tied to any single religion or religious belief (fear the Extremist Fundamentalist Christian movement that has become the base of the current Repub party) - and that that is what has driven them away from the Republican Party (especially the younger generations that have moved past race and sexual preference and can't stand the right wing extremist racism and homophobia- and think medical practices and science should be left to decisions between individuals and their Doctors and to the Scientists) ....

I read a lot of posts on the Republicans for Obama site- and that was the main thing that drove many to support Obama over McCain- and the current direction of the Republican Party....Especially since with McCain as the candidate it was a given there would be no change in "fiscal conservaty"...

Nonothing-- It looks like Meghan McCain agrees with us... :wink:

Meghan McCain warns of civil war among Republicans

Meghan McCain said Saturday night that "a war is brewing in the Republican Party."


In comments to a gathering of the Log Cabin Republicans, McCain said "Most of the old school Republicans are scared s***less of that future."

"I feel too many Republicans want to cling to past successes...I think we're seeing a war brewing in the Republican Party," she said. "But it is not between us and Democrats. It is not between us and liberals. It is between the future and the past...

"I am concerned about the environment. I love to wear black. I think government is best when it stays out of people's lives and business as much as possible. I love punk rock. I believe in a strong national defense. I have a tattoo. I believe government should always be efficient and accountable. I have lots of gay friends. And yes, I am a Republican," she told a cheering crowd.
 
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Oldtimer said:
Oldtimer said:
nonothing said:
Sorry ********* but your wrong again..I do believe you will find more people who are leaning towards a more conservative goverment spending ideology,yet do not want the Social side of the present Conservative life style.......In fact if a new party was to started today combining fiscal conservatism with a liberal take on society,it is my belief that will be the party of the future.....

Religon will soon be out of politics and those who worry about the leaders preachers will become less and less..As hypocrisy of religous leaders and the endless differences in how it is understood has turned people away and opened up more questions...White man rule will also be comming to an end,as more and more people of color will be motivated to get involved...I am not saying you have to accept this or not,I just think you better realize what socially drives you today has grown tiresome to the new generations,people are just no longer fearing what others think...Take something as simple as a Tatoo ,when you were a kid the only people that had Tatoos were sailers and bikers,and consevative parents would never agree to the son or daughter owning a Tatoo...Well now the Tatoo has become mainstream so much so that Women are having them done just as much as men..It is just a little thing in a big world,but it shows that people no longer care what the nieghbors or the rest of the world thinks about them... ....I am not saying it is right or wrong but to not notice that social change is on its way,is just putting your head in the sand...

:agree:

Even many of the studies/surveys done have shown that while many folks are fiscally conservative/moderate they are much more socially liberal and tolerant-and do not think political parties should be tied to any single religion or religious belief (fear the Extremist Fundamentalist Christian movement that has become the base of the current Repub party) - and that that is what has driven them away from the Republican Party (especially the younger generations that have moved past race and sexual preference and can't stand the right wing extremist racism and homophobia- and think medical practices and science should be left to decisions between individuals and their Doctors and to the Scientists) ....

I read a lot of posts on the Republicans for Obama site- and that was the main thing that drove many to support Obama over McCain- and the current direction of the Republican Party....Especially since with McCain as the candidate it was a given there would be no change in "fiscal conservaty"...

Nonothing-- It looks like Meghan McCain agrees with us... :wink:

Meghan McCain warns of civil war among Republicans

Meghan McCain said Saturday night that "a war is brewing in the Republican Party."


In comments to a gathering of the Log Cabin Republicans, McCain said "Most of the old school Republicans are scared s***less of that future."

"I feel too many Republicans want to cling to past successes...I think we're seeing a war brewing in the Republican Party," she said. "But it is not between us and Democrats. It is not between us and liberals. It is between the future and the past...

"I am concerned about the environment. I love to wear black. I think government is best when it stays out of people's lives and business as much as possible. I love punk rock. I believe in a strong national defense. I have a tattoo. I believe government should always be efficient and accountable. I have lots of gay friends. And yes, I am a Republican," she told a cheering crowd.

Shucky darn- I thought maybe some of you good "old" boy Repubs would want to comment on this one....

Looks like Meghan is right:

"Most of the old school Republicans are scared s***less of that future."
 

hypocritexposer

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Most citizens were Christian, they were governed by Christian values and morals in their personal lives.

Are you saying that the Government should not pass laws based on moral or Religious values and beliefs?
 
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