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Republican Tom DeLay

Disagreeable

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Now why would the Republicans want to replace Tom DeLay on the ballot? He’s such a popular figure in the area, a shining example of Republican ideas and morals. And he won the primary fair and square. Link below.

“The Texas Democratic Party won a temporary restraining order Thursday blocking the process that would name a replacement for Republican U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay on the November ballot.
State District Judge Darlene Byrne ordered Texas GOP Chairwoman Tina Benkiser not to convene party officials to decide on DeLay's replacement until after a June 22 court hearing.”


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/politics/3953732.html
 

Steve

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if alledged corruption bothers you so much......maybe you could explain why this prominate Democrat is still in office?

Allegations detailed

The affidavit supporting the search warrant, released Sunday, revealed the most extensive details to date of the allegations against Jefferson, 59, an eight-term congressman.

Investigators have collected evidence linking Jefferson to at least seven cases where the congressman "sought things of value in return for his performance of official acts," according to the affidavit.

A search of Jefferson's Washington home in August 2005 turned up $90,000 in cash in the freezer, stashed in food containers and wrapped in aluminum foil, the affidavit said.

The money was part of $100,000 in cash that had been given to Jefferson by an informant working with investigators, and the delivery of the money was taped by the FBI, according to the affidavit.

Jefferson's home in New Orleans was searched at the same time. A month later, after flooding from Hurricane Katrina devastated the city, the congressman came under criticism for traveling to his home with a National Guard escort to retrieve personal belongings.

The congressman defended the trip, saying it was part of a larger tour to assess damage in the city and adding the escort was necessary because of security concerns.

According to the affidavit, the investigation of Jefferson began in March 2005, when the informant went to the FBI claiming to be "a victim of a fraud and bribery scheme" involving the congressman and two other men -- Vernon Jackson, the CEO of the Kentucky-based high-tech firm iGate, and Brett Pfeffer, a former Jefferson aide who was president of an investment firm owned by the informant.

The informant agreed to record conversations with Jefferson, Jackson and Pfeffer, the affidavit said.

The affidavit identified the informant only as a Virginia resident who headed an "educational technology philanthropic foundation." However, a government official told CNN on Monday that the informant was a businesswoman named Lori Moody.

Jefferson represents Louisiana's 2nd District, a majority black, solidly Democratic district that takes in much of the city of New Orleans and some suburban areas. When he was elected in 1990, Jefferson became the first black congressman from the Pelican State since Reconstruction.
 

Brad S

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How 'bout Tom DeLay is a legal resident of Virginia? His running would be a legal violation that wouldn't have to be shopped before 4 grand Juries in 3 days to get him bound over.
 

BBJ

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Hey Steve, dis will say that jefferson should be held accountable "IF" found guilty. dis will say this in an attempt to sound honest and fair, but you and I and most everyone else here know better. dis always posts about the lies and corruption of the Republican party and never a foul word about the demo-crats.


And everyone knows that as long as we have politicians we will have corruption. Corruption knows no party lines when money is involved. :cry:
 

BBJ

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I know how dis loves links and empahsis so here ya go dissy.. :wink:

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10257&highlight=jefferson


oh and Steve I guess this will help answer your question for dis, because dis tends to not answer when you catch him/her in a position of hypocriscy. :p

Glad I could help! I think I've got ole' dis figured out pretty good, I can usually predict his/her answer before it gets posted. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Disagreeable

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Brad S said:
How 'bout Tom DeLay is a legal resident of Virginia? His running would be a legal violation that wouldn't have to be shopped before 4 grand Juries in 3 days to get him bound over.

Then his name should be taken off the ballot. But the Texas Republican Party doesn't have the right to replace him. That's the problem. If DeLay doesn't want to run, that's fine. But the party has no right to replace him since he took money from supporters and won the primary fair and square. Or at least that's the argument the Dems will be making in court on the 22nd. :)

If they leave his name on the ballot, he might win! Then the governor could appoint a Republican in his place or have a special election. But the Republicans don't want his name out there, reminding people that he's under indictment.
 

Disagreeable

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BBJ said:
I know how dis loves links and empahsis so here ya go dissy.. :wink:

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10257&highlight=jefferson


oh and Steve I guess this will help answer your question for dis, because dis tends to not answer when you catch him/her in a position of hypocriscy. :p

Glad I could help! I think I've got ole' dis figured out pretty good, I can usually predict his/her answer before it gets posted. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Tom DeLay chose to resign. Mr. Jefferson hasn't done that. He's innocent until proven guilty. That's the law in this country. Tom DeLay could have stayed in the House until he was convicted, just as Republican Duke Cunningham did.
 

Disagreeable

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BBJ said:
Hey Steve, dis will say that jefferson should be held accountable "IF" found guilty. dis will say this in an attempt to sound honest and fair, but you and I and most everyone else here know better. dis always posts about the lies and corruption of the Republican party and never a foul word about the demo-crats.

But there are so many more Republicans with corruption ties!


And everyone knows that as long as we have politicians we will have corruption. Corruption knows no party lines when money is involved. :cry:

ROTFLMAO! When you started posting you would never have admitted that Republicans might be corrupt. :lol:

One poster has dismissed Bush as just another politician and now BBJ says Republicans are corrupt. My work here may be finished soon. :lol:
 

Steve

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But the party has no right to replace him since he took money from supporters and won the primary fair and square. Or at least that's the argument the Dems will be making in court on the 22nd.

yet it was okey in New Jersey?

"The laws of the state of New Jersey do not include 'we-think-we're-going-to-lose-so-we-get-to-pick-someone-new' clause,"

"The Democrats made the mistake of re-nominating their own crooked 'crat instead of coming up with a viable candidate, but waited until it looked like he was going to lose to change horses.


For a copy of the Democratic committee's Lawsuit:
http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/torricelli/njdpsmsn100202scord.pdf
 

Steve

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Tom DeLay chose to resign. Mr. Jefferson hasn't done that. He's innocent until proven guilty. That's the law in this country. Tom DeLay could have stayed in the House until he was convicted

Care to check your facts here?

what crime was delay convicted of?

what House did he leave?

it as many of your comments shows how biased your views are....

Mr Jefferson hasn't resigned so by your rational he is still worthy of your respect....(despite hiding $90,000 bribery money in his freezer?) or useing the gaurd to get him spending money.....

yet because Delay was pressured to resign a house leadership post (house Majority leader) he is guilty?

Niether have been convicted...

both are still in office.....

one is "connected to a election law discrepancy" and of accepting a golf trip.....

the other accepted out right bribes .....

yet you defend Jefferson as if he did nothing wrong? but Delay is guilty because he is a republican?
 

Brad S

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Dis proves he is still a lieing sack of feces:

Tom DeLay chose to resign. Mr. Jefferson hasn't done that. He's innocent until proven guilty. That's the law in this country. Tom DeLay could have stayed in the House until he was convicted, just as Republican Duke Cunningham did.


Republican rules mandate resignation.
 

Brad S

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Dis(honest knows no shame:

hen his name should be taken off the ballot. But the Texas Republican Party doesn't have the right to replace him.



Was this the DNC position in a little senate race in Mo a few years ago?
Does Dis stand for opposite of honorable?
 

Disagreeable

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Steve said:
But the party has no right to replace him since he took money from supporters and won the primary fair and square. Or at least that's the argument the Dems will be making in court on the 22nd.

yet it was okey in New Jersey?


"The laws of the state of New Jersey do not include 'we-think-we're-going-to-lose-so-we-get-to-pick-someone-new' clause,"

"The Democrats made the mistake of re-nominating their own crooked 'crat instead of coming up with a viable candidate, but waited until it looked like he was going to lose to change horses.


For a copy of the Democratic committee's Lawsuit:
http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/torricelli/njdpsmsn100202scord.pdf

Don't know or care about New Jersey law. Tom DeLay is under indictment and will be facing trial soon. He chose to give up his House seat. The Dems are arguing that the Republican Party in Texas cannot name someone else to run in his place. And, BTW, he's already voted in Virginia and that is being investigated as possible voter fraud since he was representing Texas in the House at the same time! He's the gift that just keeps giving. :lol:

From the filing (my emphasis):
DeLay has finally let voters in on his true intent: he wants to have his name removed from the ballot in November and replaced with another candidate while keeping the money contributed to his primary campaign in clear violation of the Texas Election Code.
The Texas Election Code permits a candidate to withdraw. However, the Legislature attached a cost to withdraw after a primary. If a candidate withdraws after his party’s primary, the party cannot substitute another candidate for the withdrawing candidate. The reason for this rule is simple – the Legislature did not want the candidates duping voters into contributing money and energy to the candidate in the primary, only to watch the candidate take the money and run, not in the general election, but to the bank. So the law places the burden on the party in whose primary the candidate ran – in this instance the Republican party – to make sure that candidates in the party’s primary intend to and will run in the general election. If the Party fails to impose this discipline, the penalty is that the Party cannot insert another candidate into the race for District 22.”


Link to court documents:
http://www.brazosriver.com/tdpsuit.pdf
 

Disagreeable

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Steve said:
Tom DeLay chose to resign. Mr. Jefferson hasn't done that. He's innocent until proven guilty. That's the law in this country. Tom DeLay could have stayed in the House until he was convicted

Care to check your facts here?

what crime was delay convicted of?

I'm sure of my facts. I never said he had been convicted of anything. Jefferson hasn't even been indicted.

what House did he leave?


Tom DeLay resigned from the US House of Representatives. He has bought a house in VA, but his wife has not moved with him from Texas. Hmmm. Could another family values Republican's marriage be falling apart? :shock:

it as many of your comments shows how biased your views are....[

Maybe, but I doubt you're capable of showing it.

Mr Jefferson hasn't resigned so by your rational he is still worthy of your respect....(despite hiding $90,000 bribery money in his freezer?) or useing the gaurd to get him spending money.....

I never said he was worthy of my respect. I said in this counry you're innocent until proven guilty, you know, like Republican Congressman Duke Cunningham?

yet because Delay was pressured to resign a house leadership post (house Majority leader) he is guilty?

I never said DeLay was guilty of anything. I said, very clearly, he chose to resign. I doubt that anyone in the House could put enough pressure on him to force him to resign. He probably resigned so he could use campaign money to pay his legal bills. He's going to have some very big legal bills and he has fewer friends willing to help him out now that he doesn't have the power that he once had.

Niether have been convicted...

True.

both are still in office.....

No. Tom DeLay is no longer a member of the US House of Representatives. His District is the only district in the US without representation, unless you count DC. That shows how much loyalty he has for the people in his district who have elected him time and time again.

one is "connected to a election law discrepancy" and of accepting a golf trip.....

the other accepted out right bribes .....

One is under legal indictment; the other is under investigation. I know which is which. Do you?

yet you defend Jefferson as if he did nothing wrong? but Delay is guilty because he is a republican?

I didn't defend Jefferson. I didn't say DeLay is guilty. I said he has been indicted. He will go to trial unless he works out a plea deal and that might happen. I doubt that he actually wants to go to jail and Republican Duke Cunningham has shown that simply being an elected official doesn't keep you out of jail.
 

nonothing

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Both parties should have the right to decide who runs and who does not......If the reps want another to run ,it should really be thier chioce.
 

Disagreeable

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Brad S said:
Dis proves he is still a lieing sack of feces:

Tom DeLay chose to resign. Mr. Jefferson hasn't done that. He's innocent until proven guilty. That's the law in this country. Tom DeLay could have stayed in the House until he was convicted, just as Republican Duke Cunningham did.


Republican rules mandate resignation.

Show me a link that says a member of the US House of Representatives has to resign if he's indicted. There is a House rule that an indicted member cann't serve in a leadership position. The Republicans tried to get that changed to keep DeLay in his position, but Dems refused to show up to vote on the change, so they backed off and DeLay resigned his leadership position months ago. But you'll have to show me a link that says anyone has to resign his House seat because he's under indictment. I think you're wrong AGAIN.
 

Disagreeable

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nonothing said:
Both parties should have the right to decide who runs and who does not......If the reps want another to run ,it should really be thier chioce.

It's not that simple. The party is responsible for whoever runs under their banner. DeLay ran as the Republican incumbent, with party support. He took money from probably hundreds of supporters to fund his campaign. Now he wants to drop out of the race and keep the money. That sounds like fraud to me. The Dems claim Texas Election Law says either Tom DeLay's name will be on the ballot or no Republican's name will be on the ballot. A judge will decide, someone will likely appeal, and another judge will decide, another appeal.... This could drag on until November. :lol:
 

Disagreeable

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Brad S said:
Dis(honest knows no shame:

hen his name should be taken off the ballot. But the Texas Republican Party doesn't have the right to replace him.



Was this the DNC position in a little senate race in Mo a few years ago?
Does Dis stand for opposite of honorable?

The DNC doesn't make election laws for MO or for Texas. But keep spinning, it's very enertaining. :lol:
 

Steve

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Don't know or care about New Jersey law. Tom DeLay is under indictment and will be facing trial soon. He chose to give up his House seat. The Dems are arguing that the Republican Party in Texas cannot name someone else to run in his place.

So when the Dems do it.....it does not Matter, and you don't care.....

Sounds like a hypocrit.......

It's not that simple. The party is responsible for whoever runs under their banner. Torricelli ran as the Democrat incumbent, with party support. He took money from probably hundreds of supporters to fund his campaign. Now he wants to drop out of the race and keep the money. That sounds like fraud to me. The Reps claim New Jersey Election Law says either Torricelli's name will be on the ballot or no Democrat's name will be on the ballot. A judge will decide, someone will likely appeal, and another judge will decide, another appeal.... This could drag on until November.
:lol:

see how well you comment fits the same facts in the New Jersey Democratic lawsuit..........look who's laughing now....... :roll:
 

BBJ

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Steve said:
Don't know or care about New Jersey law. Tom DeLay is under indictment and will be facing trial soon. He chose to give up his House seat. The Dems are arguing that the Republican Party in Texas cannot name someone else to run in his place.

So when the Dems do it.....it does not Matter, and you don't care.....

Sounds like a hypocrit.......

It's not that simple. The party is responsible for whoever runs under their banner. Torricelli ran as the Democrat incumbent, with party support. He took money from probably hundreds of supporters to fund his campaign. Now he wants to drop out of the race and keep the money. That sounds like fraud to me. The Reps claim New Jersey Election Law says either Torricelli's name will be on the ballot or no Democrat's name will be on the ballot. A judge will decide, someone will likely appeal, and another judge will decide, another appeal.... This could drag on until November.
:lol:

see how well you comment fits the same facts in the New Jersey Democratic lawsuit..........look who's laughing now....... :roll:

Sucks to be dis. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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