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republicans attack on woman will only get worse

flounder

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Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.) justified his extreme opposition to abortion by claiming that victims of "legitimate rape" rarely get pregnant.



In an interview with KTVI-TV on Sunday, the GOP Senate nominee was asked if he supported abortion in the case of rape.



"From what I understand from doctors, that's really rare," said Akin said of pregnancy caused by rape. "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.



But let's assume maybe that didn't work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist."





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Akin's comments on abortion and rape come less than two weeks after he suggested banning the morning-after pill.

“As far as I’m concerned, the morning-after pill is a form of abortion, and I think we just shouldn’t have abortion in this country,” he said in an Aug.8 interview with KCMO radio.





http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/19/todd-akin-abortion-legitimate-rape_n_1807381.html









if your not rich, all white, and male, the republicans WILL PUT YOU BACK IN CHAINS, and the republicans will dictate what a woman can do to her body, and that ain’t all. ...





Obama 2012
 

jigs

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a republican telling a woman it is wrong to get an abortion is less harmfull than Bill Clinton raping women, I do believe...the scum bag is a sexual predator...but give him a break, if I had to sleep with that ice cold bitch wife of his, I would probably cat around too....
 

Steve

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As an Illinois state senator, Obama voted against legislation promoted by anti-abortion activists that would have conferred protection to fetuses showing any signs of life after an abortion, even if doctors did not believe the fetus was viable. Obama pointed to an existing Illinois law requiring doctors to protect fetuses they believed were likely to survive after an abortion, and said he was concerned the proposed new law was so broad it could interfere with routine abortions.

c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being "born alive" as defined in this section.

"When you get right down to it," the Illinois Senator said before an audience at the recent Stem Cells R Us Annual Convention, "What difference does two or three minutes inside or outside the womb really make? One's 'late-term' and the other's 'postpartum.' Who's to say if the postpartum fetus is truly viable? Postpartum fetuses die all the time for all manner of reasons..."
 

hypocritexposer

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Say goodnight, Todd Akin
By Melinda Henneberger

“and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/post/say-goodnight-todd-akin/2012/08/19/beb78a96-ea40-11e1-a80b-9f898562d010_blog.html
 

Tam

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You would think that all Democrats think Republicans are Rich White single orphaned males? :roll:

Sorry to tell you Democrats and those of you idiots hiding behind the curtain of shame, there are Republicans of all ages, female Republicans, Black Republicans of both genders , Latino Republicans of both genders, Most just like Democrats have eldery parents and grandparents. So to claim the Republicans are waging a war on Women, the eldery and immigrants is JUST PLAIN STUPID.:roll:

What they are waging war on are your big government ideas that are meant to control everyones lives and therefore making them dependent on Tax payers through Democrat programs. Programs that are BANKRUPTING THE US AND ALL IT'S TAX PAYERS. :roll:

Here is a question for all of you Democrats do you believe government should stay out of people bedrooms?
 
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Anonymous

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TRENDING: GOP senators call on Akin to step aside

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CNN's Kevin Liptak
(CNN) – Sen. Scott Brown, the Massachusetts Republican in a tight battle for re-election, said Monday that Rep. Todd Akin ought to step aside in his bid for U.S. Senate in Missouri after Akin claimed "legitimate rape" rarely results in pregnancy. Sen. Ron Johnson also called on Akin to resign from the GOP nomination.

"As a husband and father of two young women, I found Todd Akin's comments about women and rape outrageous, inappropriate and wrong," Brown wrote in a statement released by his campaign. "There is no place in our public discourse for this type of offensive thinking. Not only should he apologize, but I believe Rep. Akin's statement was so far out of bounds that he should resign the nomination for US Senate in Missouri."


Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, who was elected in 2010, also called on Akin to step aside.

Ron Johnson
@Ron4Senate Todd Akin’s statements are reprehensible and inexcusable. He should step aside today for the good of the nation.
20 Aug 12 ReplyRetweetFavoriteAkin won his spot on November's ballot earlier this August, and is slated to face Democratic incumbent Sen. Claire McCaskill in November.

Prior to this controversy, the top non-partisan political handicappers had rated the Missouri race a "toss up." Republicans consider McCaskill's seat a prime take-over target as they try to reclaim control of the Senate. Democrats currently have a 53 to 47 advantage in the chamber, but are defending 23 (21 Democrats and two independents who caucus with the party) of the 33 seats up for grabs in November.

Brown is facing Elizabeth Warren, a consumer advocate and former adviser to President Barack Obama, in a fierce battle for U.S. Senate in Massachusetts. Brown is a first-term Republican who won his seat in a January 2010 election to replace the late Sen. Ted Kennedy.


At least there are a couple of Repub's with principles left that will speak out against their own parties idiots- rather than like the rose colored glass wearing cultists on here that either pooh-pooh it away or try to rationalize it because someone else did something bad once...
 

Mike

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The Dems played Aiken like a drum................................. They beat him on two sides.

Missouri primary: McCaskill and Democrats helped Republican Todd Akin to Senate nomination
By Keenan SteinerAug 08 201211:30 a.m.
Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., and Democratic outside groups, pouring in over $1 million during Missouri's Republican Senate primary, got the guy they wanted: Rep. Todd Akin, who Tuesday upset two other Republicans to take the GOP nomination.

Recent polls have shown McCaskill trailing all three Republicans in head-to-head matchups, but Akin has the smallest edge. She is betting voters will see the six-term congressman -- who gave "thanks to God our creator" in his victory speech and has been endorsed by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, an evangelical Christian -- as too conservative.

Late in the primary, McCaskill hit TV and radio airwaves "criticizing" Akin, seen at right, as too conservative, a thinly veiled attempt to boost his chances in a primary where the GOP's right wing would have a disproportionate impact. The radio ad was paid for by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.
 

hopalong

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Unlike the Denocraps oldtimer, the republicans have a couple of people with princaples,,,,with you on the Dem side they still do not have one that has an morals

EH??? :D
 

Tam

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Not that I expect Oldtimer or Flounder will post this but Romney told Aiken to apologize for his statements as that in no way reflexes the Republican party.

Now if Obama would stop lieing about what those in his party are saying and tell them to apologize for their hate filled statements maybe this election can be pulled out of the gutter.

But after listening to him this morning defending his campaign by saying they haven't said what we all know they did and claiming he has no say in his super pacs ads, like he couldn't just say he does not support the ad that claims Romney was responsible for a woman's death and wished it was taken down, like Romney did with his super pac ad that was going to question Obama's shady past was still in the planning stage and he heard about it, I don't see him stopping the filth coming from his campaign ever.

Months ago his plan was to KILL ROMNEY and as we all know Obama never backs away from one of his plans, the ends justify the dirty filthy means it takes
 

Martin Jr.

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While I certainly have heard of doctors that say it is unlikely to get pregnant from a rape, I never saw any real statistics on that. Doctors would probably give their opinion depending on what side they are on.
While it may be more unlikely to get pregnant from a rape, It is known that many do get pregnant from a rape.

Here is an article that puts another slant on the Issue:

IRISH NEWS
March 15, 2012

Irish Survey Shows Majority of Rape Victims Have Their Babies

Most women who become pregnatn after rape keep their babies, according to statistics released this week by the Rape Crhisis Network, Ireland. Its survey, based on figures collected in 2010, showed that over 70% of survivors of rape who became pregnant, went on to have their babies, with 57% opting to keep their babies and rear them themselves, and 13% opting to place the babies for adoption. "In these very tragic cases false assumptions are constantly being made that women in theses situations do not want to keep their babies," Eilish Milroy from the Pro Lire Campaign told CiNews.

However the evidence shows, that as the pregnancy develops, the bond between the mother and her baby grows." The Rape Crisis Network survey showed that in 2010, 545 survivors of sexual violence attended their Crisis Centres around Ireland. Of these, 75 became pregnant. Of the 75 women: 43 went on to give birth and parent their babies; 10 gave birth and placed their babies for adoption; 9 miscarried or had stillbirths; 10 had abortions. Eilis Mulroy from the Pro Life Campaign said that the most important thing in crisis pregancy situations is that there is "social solidarity' with the pregnant woman.

Fiona Neary, Director of the Rape Crisis Network said that women made choices based in large part on their relationship to the abuser and the kind of support that would be available to them afterwards. Speaking on RTE, she said that the high percentage who gave birth and either chose to parent or place the baby for adoption showed the "incredible resilience of women and girls who experience sexual violence and the incredible strength that they have to continue with their lives after such a devastating experience," She explained that in some cases the abuser might be a husband, partner of ex-partner.

Eililsh Mulroy noted that there were many cases, "where women have gone on the public record following the birth of their baby and have said that giving birth was a significant factor in helping the healing process." The Irish government has appointed a fourteen-member expert group on abortion in response to the A, B and C v. Ireland ruling on abortion from the European Court of Human Rights in 2010. The Expert Group is chaired by Mr. Justice Sean Ryan and is to report to Governemnt later this year with options on how to implement the judgment of the European Court. CiNews.
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Now after reading this, it makes me wonder; do the Democrats think that women are so weak that they cannot handle the pregnancy, and that the morning after pill or abortion are the only way?
I have heard of women who said that after an abortion that they felt they were raped twice, once by the rapist and second by the abortionist.
 

Steve

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Mike said:
The Dems played Aiken like a drum................................. They beat him on two sides.

Missouri primary: McCaskill and Democrats helped Republican Todd Akin to Senate nomination
By Keenan SteinerAug 08 201211:30 a.m.
Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., and Democratic outside groups, pouring in over $1 million during Missouri's Republican Senate primary, got the guy they wanted: Rep. Todd Akin, who Tuesday upset two other Republicans to take the GOP nomination.

Recent polls have shown McCaskill trailing all three Republicans in head-to-head matchups, but Akin has the smallest edge. She is betting voters will see the six-term congressman -- who gave "thanks to God our creator" in his victory speech and has been endorsed by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, an evangelical Christian -- as too conservative.

Late in the primary, McCaskill hit TV and radio airwaves "criticizing" Akin, seen at right, as too conservative, a thinly veiled attempt to boost his chances in a primary where the GOP's right wing would have a disproportionate impact. The radio ad was paid for by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

by dumping money in favor of an opponent shows the democrats will stoop to even newer lows in politics to win...

and then blame republicans for it...

As evidenced by the recent numbers, McCaskill didn't win any hearts when she recently suggested that Missouri voters were "dangerous" and "outside of mainstream" with their support of candidates who proposed limited government policies.

even with the comment.. he is still doing better then she is ...

I guess she is just that bad.. :?
 
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August 20, 2012, 5:40 pm1 Comment
Myth About Rape and Pregnancy Is Not New

By ROBERT MACKEY
Representative Todd Akin, the Republican Senate nominee from Missouri, gave new prominence to an old myth this past weekend when he downplayed the need for rape victims to have access to abortions. He claimed that pregnancies from rape are “really rare,” because, “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”



An excerpt from an interview with Representative Todd Aiken on Missouri’s KTVI-TV.As Sarah Kliff reports on the Washington Post’s Wonkblog, there is no scientific evidence for the claim that Mr. Akin, a member of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, attributed to unnamed “doctors.” According to a study cited by the Centers for Disease Control, “an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year,” in the United States, meaning that about 5 percent of women who are raped do become pregnant.


Despite the facts, the ancient idea that women have some natural defense against being impregnated by rapists has been endorsed several times in recent years by elected officials who oppose abortion.

During a 1998 Senate campaign in Arkansas, the Republican candidate Dr. Fay Boozman claimed that hormones generated by fear usually prevented rape victims from getting pregnant, according to the doctor’s remarks in a report in The Times that year:

His reasoning: Pregnancy rarely occurs after rape because the stress of the assault triggers a biochemical reaction in the victim that makes conception unlikely. The Senator, who also is an ophthalmologist, said he knew this to be the case from anecdotal information he had picked up over the years and from his own medical residency in the 1970’s at the University of Arkansas Medical Center.

After he lost that election, Dr. Boozman was appointed to run the Arkansas Department of Health by the governor at the time, Mike Huckabee.

As David Waldman, a Daily Kos editor, noted on Twitter, the argument Mr. Akin advanced last weekend was even more similar to one floated in 1995 by a dentist named Henry Aldridge, who was then a Republican member of North Carolina’s state legislature. As The Associated Press reported at the time, during a 1995 debate over a proposal to eliminate a state abortion fund for poor women, Mr. Aldridge claimed, “The facts show that people who are raped — who are truly raped — the juices don’t flow, the body functions don’t work and they don’t get pregnant.” When Mr. Aldridge was pressed to explain his comments, he added: “To get pregnant, it takes a little cooperation. And there ain’t much cooperation in a rape.”

The Buzzfeed blogger who writes as Southpaw traced the idea back another decade, finding a 1988 report from the Philadelphia Daily News on a Republican state legislator in Pennsylvania, Stephen Freind, who claimed that the chances of a woman getting pregnant from rape were, “one in millions and millions and millions.” Mr. Freind gave a version of the same explanation then that Mr. Akin relied on: the trauma of rape, he claimed, causes women to “secrete a certain secretion” that kills sperm. When the newspaper asked a professor of obstetrics and gynecology for a response, he said simply: “There’s no basis for that. That’s nonsense.”

Despite constant debunking, this old husbands’ tale has endured for centuries. “The legal position that pregnancy disproved a claim of rape appears to have been instituted in the U.K. sometime in the 13th century,” the medical historian Vanessa Heggie wrote in a blog post for The Guardian on Monday. She explained that one of Britain’s earliest legal texts, written in about 1290, included a clause based on this bit of folk wisdom: “If, however, the woman should have conceived at the time alleged in the appeal, it abates, for without a woman’s consent she could not conceive.”

Ms. Heggie added: “the idea that a women had to orgasm in order to conceive (although not necessarily at exactly the same time as her male partner) was widespread in popular thought and medical literature in the medieval and early modern period. By logical extension, then, if a woman became pregnant, she must have experienced orgasm, and therefore could not have been the victim of an ‘absolute rape.’”

While Mr. Akin’s remarks about rape drew the most attention, another part of his answer explaining his opposition to abortion also contained some curious logic. When the subject of abortion was first raised (about two minutes in to a longer clip of the Missouri television interview), the congressman digressed to say:

One of the things that I love about this country is the fact that Americans do consider life really important. And it’s not because of some theoretical thing, that you’re on a talk show and somebody asks you about it, but you have September 11th, and you’ve got these guys that are running into a building that’s about to collapse; they find somebody in a wheelchair — they never check their ID, or anything like that, or whether they’re important — they grab ‘em and they get ‘em to safety and they run back and get another one.


Doctors: Todd Akin pregnancy claim bogus


'Rape-related pregnancy occurs with significant frequency,' concluded a 1990s study. | Reuters


By KEVIN ROBILLARD | 8/20/12 2:43 PM EDT
The medical community on Monday debunked Rep. Todd Akin’s claim that women who are raped are less likely to become pregnant, with a prominent physician dismissing it as “bogus” and two academic studies contradicting the Missouri Republican’s comments.

“Rape-related pregnancy occurs with significant frequency,” concluded the authors of a 1990s study that found one out of every 20 rapes results in pregnancy, for a total of more than 32,000 rape-pregnancies each year in the United States. A separate 2003 article in the journal Human Nature estimated that rapes are twice as likely to result in pregnancies as consensual sex.

“The short answer: There’s no basis to what he’s saying,” Jonathan Gottschall, a professor at Washington and Jefferson College who co-wrote the 2003 Human Nature article with his wife, wrote to POLITICO in an e-mail. “If anything, the evidence is the opposite: Rape victims have a higher likelihood of conceiving, per-incident of intercourse.”

“It’s just bogus,” Nancy Snyderman, a medical doctor who serves as NBC News’s medical editor, said Monday on MSNBC’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports.” “It’s not written anywhere. It’s not taught anywhere.”

Snyderman said the chances of getting pregnant from rape and getting pregnant from unprotected sex are the same — 5 percent.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79895.html#ixzz248fmM7QU

Looks to me like Repub politicians should be supporting more sex education and science class's in schools rather than opposing them as they have been-- as they are definitely in need of it...
 

hypocritexposer

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According to a study cited by the Centers for Disease Control, “an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year,” in the United States, meaning that about 5 percent of women who are raped do become pregnant.


So I guess the question that OT is getting at......is 5% the same as "rare"


:lol:



Maybe OT needs to go back to math class...
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Didn't both flounder and OT vote for a rapist once? I think it was in 1996, if I'm not mistaken.

Ross Perot was a rapist? Show me the links/proof.....
 

Big Muddy rancher

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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Didn't both flounder and OT vote for a rapist once? I think it was in 1996, if I'm not mistaken.

Ross Perot was a rapist? Show me the links/proof.....


We all know you voted for Clinton.

It is up to you to prove you didn't.

Isn't this just too funny. OT wants to see the links/proof yet he accused Hypo of being a stalker and to date we have seen no proof.

That judge in Valley county must use a double standard. :roll:
 

Tam

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Oldtimer is no different that the Dems in DC.

Reid claimed an unnamed source told him that Romney hadn't paid any taxes for a decade. Everyone was expected to believe him and force Romney to turn over his income taxes papers to prove he had. Reid was allowed to make claims he could not and WOULD NOT BACK UP.

But When a book was released claiming the Obama Campaign has BIG INTERNAL PROBLEMS and the infighting is tearing the campaign apart, Carney claimed it was nothing as the insider sources were UN NAMED. Seems the White House felt for the book to be taken seriously the insiders needed to be exposed so everyone knew who they were but not so when it came to Reid's claims.

Obama himself was asked about the Military sponsored video about the leaks and he said it shouldn't be taking serious as it was put out by REPUBLICANS. Don't bother explaining what he is doing about their concerns just dismiss it as garbage as it was REPUBLICANS point out the obvious. At least it was to one High Profile Democrat as Diane Feinstein was on TV claiming the White House had to face the fact they have someone LEAKING TOP SECRET INFO. for political purposes that was risking US lives and National Security.



Oldtimer is no different, he thinks he can make claims and never have to provide proof of anything as it is up to the accused to prove they are innocent.

I thought it was up to the accuser to prove their claims but apparently it's not in DC OR VALLEY COUNTY MONTANA. :roll:
 
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Big Muddy rancher said:
hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
Ross Perot was a rapist? Show me the links/proof.....


We all know you voted for Clinton.

It is up to you to prove you didn't.

Isn't this just too funny. OT wants to see the links/proof yet he accused Hypo of being a stalker and to date we have seen no proof.

That judge in Valley county must use a double standard. :roll:


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