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Rick Fox Speaks Out on Cattle Business

Econ101

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy- You been hanging too close to Tam--You got caught in a falsehood-you were flat out wrong with your facts- then you try to spin it---but now its R-CALF's fault :roll:

You starting to have Bill and Leo nightmares too?- or is Tam just keeping you up all night with her R-CALF fantasies and you aren't getting enough sleep? :wink: :lol: ......Either that or its that Canuck water....
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I guess you didn't notice OT that I had the integrity to correct myself when i found the correct information.

OT was I wrong about Sandhuskers beloved cattle feeders in Nebraska using imported feeders?

Are you calling imported feeders not cattle today, BMR?
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Sandhusker said:
OK, BMR, I'll bite. How many imported feeders are in Nebraska now and where did they come from?



You mean you, being R-CALF's chief economist aren't tracking Nebraska's imports and documenting the disastorus effects they are having on your economy?



A hint on the imports. Not all of them have come from the surrounding states.
 

Sandhusker

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
OK, BMR, I'll bite. How many imported feeders are in Nebraska now and where did they come from?



You mean you, being R-CALF's chief economist aren't tracking Nebraska's imports and documenting the disastorus effects they are having on your economy?



A hint on the imports. Not all of them have come from the surrounding states.

That's why I guessed Delaware.
 

Sandhusker

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Econ101 said:
I hope Rick Fox doesn't have to get into these kind of arguments with foreigners.

He probably exhibits more common sense than me and ignores them! :lol:

If they hadn't of fallen asleep (or how did BMR so eloquently put it, "Head so far up...") and lost their own industry, they wouldn't have to worry so much about ours.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Sandhusker said:
Econ101 said:
I hope Rick Fox doesn't have to get into these kind of arguments with foreigners.

He probably exhibits more common sense than me and ignores them! :lol:

If they hadn't of fallen asleep (or how did BMR so eloquently put it, "Head so far up...") and lost their own industry, they wouldn't have to worry so much about ours.


Sandhusker we weren't asleep we were working hard producing cattle for your market. Gaining ground every year. We also weren't asleep when we got our M'ID going. I sure helped get some markets open up. We have aways to go but we are gaining ground.
 

Econ101

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
Econ101 said:
I hope Rick Fox doesn't have to get into these kind of arguments with foreigners.

He probably exhibits more common sense than me and ignores them! :lol:

If they hadn't of fallen asleep (or how did BMR so eloquently put it, "Head so far up...") and lost their own industry, they wouldn't have to worry so much about ours.


Sandhusker we weren't asleep we were working hard producing cattle for your market. Gaining ground every year. We also weren't asleep when we got our M'ID going. I sure helped get some markets open up. We have aways to go but we are gaining ground.

Don't fool yourself, BMR, you are only implementing the Packer agenda to serve their interests. Giving 49 million to Tyson and creating a salmon run due to their grip on your market and ours only serves the packers, not the producers.
 

RobertMac

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Econ101 said:
Don't fool yourself, BMR, you are only implementing the Packer agenda to serve their interests. Giving 49 million to Tyson and creating a salmon run due to their grip on your market and ours only serves the packers, not the producers.

I'm beginning to believe that message is a lost cause...on both sides of the border.
 

Econ101

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RobertMac said:
Econ101 said:
Don't fool yourself, BMR, you are only implementing the Packer agenda to serve their interests. Giving 49 million to Tyson and creating a salmon run due to their grip on your market and ours only serves the packers, not the producers.

I'm beginning to believe that message is a lost cause...on both sides of the border.

....and the next thing will be, and the next thing, until cattlemen are all a bunch of chicken growers.

Some have tried to warn ya.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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RobertMac said:
Econ101 said:
Don't fool yourself, BMR, you are only implementing the Packer agenda to serve their interests. Giving 49 million to Tyson and creating a salmon run due to their grip on your market and ours only serves the packers, not the producers.

I'm beginning to believe that message is a lost cause...on both sides of the border.


RobertMac I think you and I might agree on something finally.
Econ goes on about Tyson getting money from the Canadian Government and the Salmon run and we all becomeing chicken farmers. That wasn't done by Canadian producers anymore then we can hold Ameriacan producers accountable for everything we don't agree with that their government has done.. Well I have said all along that their is many more important issuse then this closed border. R-CALF has made it front and center since they were formed to stop Canadian imports. All North Ameriacan cattle and beef producers should be working together against the forces that want to change our way of life and destroy our industry.
 

Econ101

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Big Muddy rancher said:
RobertMac said:
Econ101 said:
Don't fool yourself, BMR, you are only implementing the Packer agenda to serve their interests. Giving 49 million to Tyson and creating a salmon run due to their grip on your market and ours only serves the packers, not the producers.

I'm beginning to believe that message is a lost cause...on both sides of the border.


RobertMac I think you and I might agree on something finally.
Econ goes on about Tyson getting money from the Canadian Government and the Salmon run and we all becomeing chicken farmers. That wasn't done by Canadian producers anymore then we can hold Ameriacan producers accountable for everything we don't agree with that their government has done.. Well I have said all along that their is many more important issuse then this closed border. R-CALF has made it front and center since they were formed to stop Canadian imports. All North Ameriacan cattle and beef producers should be working together against the forces that want to change our way of life and destroy our industry.

Now I would have to agree with you, BMR. It is one of the first times I have seen you acknowledge this. You can't work together on solutions if you don't recognize the problems. Cattlemen should be concerned about their future as it is in jeapordy right now. The groundwork is being laid and will continue to be laid by the corporate boards of the meat processing industry as it was in Upton Sinclair's day. History is repeating itself and some people are waking up way too slowly.

As I have said before, the problem isn't caused by the producers---except the complacency people like MRJ show.
 

RobertMac

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BMR said:
All North Ameriacan cattle and beef producers should be working together against the forces that want to change our way of life and destroy our industry.

Did you read the Pollan article I posted?

If E.coli 157:H7 and BSE are the results of the industrialization of beef production, what do you say we should do?

Because these two are the biggest threats to our way of life and are threatening to destroy "our industry"! I quote "our industry" because, as producers, we have virtually lost all control!
 

Sandhusker

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BMR, "R-CALF has made it front and center since they were formed to stop Canadian imports"

You're not going to win any allies spreading misinformation like that. R-CALF was NOT formed to stop Canadian imports. They were formed to address what many people saw as unfair trade practices that threatened US producers.

I'll also point out again, not that it will matter, that R-CALF's issue with the Canadian border is NOT a personal issue with Canadian producers as so many of you are trying to make it out to be - it is an issue of the USDA reversing a policy that we were told was needed to protect us for the benefit of the big packer's pocketbooks. R-CALF would take the exact same position if the deal concerned Mexico instead of Canada.

If you want to fight the forces that threaten you, you had better recognize the problem first. For starters, you need to wean yourself off of the North American Herd Kool-aid Tyson and Cargill have been intoxicating you with. Being part of the "North American Industry" means foreign control of your packing industry with minimal competition for your cattle. It means having to be the US's little brother and falling under the USDA. It means that the decisions that are made put Tyson and Cargill's interests ahead of yours. It about wrecked you once. What's it going to take to figure it out?
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Sandhusker said:
BMR, "R-CALF has made it front and center since they were formed to stop Canadian imports"

You're not going to win any allies spreading misinformation like that. R-CALF was NOT formed to stop Canadian imports. They were formed to address what many people saw as unfair trade practices that threatened US producers.

I'll also point out again, not that it will matter, that R-CALF's issue with the Canadian border is NOT a personal issue with Canadian producers as so many of you are trying to make it out to be - it is an issue of the USDA reversing a policy that we were told was needed to protect us for the benefit of the big packer's pocketbooks. R-CALF would take the exact same position if the deal concerned Mexico instead of Canada.

If you want to fight the forces that threaten you, you had better recognize the problem first. For starters, you need to wean yourself off of the North American Herd Kool-aid Tyson and Cargill have been intoxicating you with. Being part of the "North American Industry" means foreign control of your packing industry with minimal competition for your cattle. It means having to be the US's little brother and falling under the USDA. It means that the decisions that are made put Tyson and Cargill's interests ahead of yours. It about wrecked you once. What's it going to take to figure it out?



We are part of the North American Industry because our packers are multi nationals already. What do you want us to "nationalize" our industry by kicking the multi-nationals out. Didn't Cuba do that ? What price are they paying now?
 

Sandhusker

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BMR, "We are part of the North American Industry because our packers are multi nationals already. What do you want us to "nationalize" our industry by kicking the multi-nationals out. Didn't Cuba do that ? What price are they paying now?'

It would of been best if you would of headed the problem off before it happened, but every problem has a solution. First of all, you need to knock some heads in Ottawa. Let them know that the Canadian cattle industry is tired of working for the Americans. Get some support for new Canadian owned packing plants - give them some options Tyson and Cargill don't have so they can get their feet under them. You need to enact some anti-trust laws that limit the growth of Tyson and Cargill. The percent of business they have up there is rediculous - never should of been allowed to happen. Go after foreign markets promoting Canadian product and give them what they want - yes, even testing. The CFIA needs to tell the USDA "Thanks, but we'll do things our way". There's a whole bunch of things you can do instead of whining about R-CALF.

You guys allowed your packing industry to be taken over by US companies, you depend on US consumers for your survival, the FSIS jumps when the USDA tells it to, and then you wail about what a US cattlemen's outfit is doing. It makes no sense - you're getting just what you asked for. Until you show some backbone and take back what is yours, I have a hard time feeling sorry for you.
 

Sandhusker

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Were you looking in a mirror when you typed that?

We did go after a "Foriegn market" the USof A. It was the closest and most lucrative one .

I said go after foreign markets. That "s" that you missed means plural - MORE THAN ONE. That way, if you have trouble with one customer, you're not sunk - you're still dealing. You don't have to get bailouts from the govenment and become infatuated with foreign cattle producer organizations who's actions to protect their members threatens you.

You didn't go after the US market - you (meaning Canadians) had nothing to do with it. You can't because the choice is not yours. The choice on where beef from your cattle go is made by Tyson and Cargill. They are the ones who got you dependent on one country - and you bought into it. You're still buying into it. You're getting just what you asked for.
 

TimH

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Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Were you looking in a mirror when you typed that?

We did go after a "Foriegn market" the USof A. It was the closest and most lucrative one .

I said go after foreign markets. That "s" that you missed means plural - MORE THAN ONE. That way, if you have trouble with one customer, you're not sunk - you're still dealing. You don't have to get bailouts from the govenment and become infatuated with foreign cattle producer organizations who's actions to protect their members threatens you.

You didn't go after the US market - you (meaning Canadians) had nothing to do with it. You can't because the choice is not yours. The choice on where beef from your cattle go is made by Tyson and Cargill. They are the ones who got you dependent on one country - and you bought into it. You're still buying into it. You're getting just what you asked for.

"The choice on where beef from your cattle go is made by Tyson and Cargill"

Only when the border is closed to live cattle, Sandhusker. When it is open, other packers can bid on them.
If you really want to slow Tyson and Cargill down, stop sending all your sheckels to Billings. :lol: :lol:
 

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