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Anonymous

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Right-Wing Christians Behind Anti-Islam Film that Caused Riots


The story behind the film "Innocence of Muslims" that sparked the riots in Egypt and Libya and which led to the death of the American ambassador to Libya and three other diplomats is starting to come out. Initially, it was said that it was produced by an Israeli named Sam Bacile with the support of 100 rich Jews. However, the Israeli Foreign Ministry said that no such Israeli exists. Now it appears that the producer was a Coptic Christian named Nakoula Basseley Nakoula who used "Sam Bacile," "Sam Bassil," and other variants of his middle name as a pseudonym. He has since gone into hiding. Coptic Christians are a minority comprising about 10% of the Egyptian population and they have been discriminated against for centuries, so there is reason to believe one of them might be inclined to make an anti-Islam film and then try to blame it on Israel.

With Nakoula unavailable for comment, the spokesman for the film is a 61 year-old California insurance agent with ties to various extreme right-wing groups. He claims to have visited every mosque in California and identified 500 to 750 future suicide bombers and murderers. He founded Courageous Christians United, which holds protests outside abortion clinics but also outside Mormon temples. When asked whether he had any regrets about participating in a film that lead to the death of an American ambassador, Klein replied: "Do I have blood on my hands? No. Did I kill this guy? No. Do I feel guilty that these people were incited? Guess what? I didn't incite them. They're pre-incited, they're pre-programmed to do this."

For Mitt Romney, jumping into this affair before he knew much about it is embarrassing enough, but it's going to get worse. Klein's Website, mormoninfo.org, is one big, detailed screed against Mormonism. The main page has a long three-column table on it, with a question on the left, the Mormon position in the middle and the Christian position on the right.

http://mormoninfo.org/


If you are interested in this material, it might be wise to check it out now since it may or may not be there for long. The last thing Romney wants now is a discussion of what Mormons believe and whether they are Christians or not. We may be in for a bit of irony shortly as Romney, in essence, defended the film on the grounds that Americans believe in free speech. He may soon be in a position of having to defend an anti-Mormon Website on the same grounds.
 

Steve

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If you are interested in this material

as the "facts start to form".. it appears there is a massive deception at the core of this film and how some have misguidedly used it to not only attack mainstream Christians as well as Coptic and Mormon Christians..

only a bigot or someone with a agenda would promote such a misguided article.. and push the topic in a direction away from the actual terror attacks and motives..

so far the only people who would benefit from not having an honest discussion is the Obama administration

why didn't the article name the other Egyptians that have been named?

yes.. all the Key players are Egyptian..

the guy who is the lead fraud in this is a convicted fraud at that with questionable citizenship status.. but that is just another distraction..

but nothing distracts more then looking at him and away from the real story,.. Why we lost American lives in unprotected embassys...

Why wasn't our nation prepared to deal with a small bunch of rag-tag terrorists..

Why wasn't the unprotected unprepared consulate evacuated for a few days?
 

hypocritexposer

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AL-Qaeda said the deadly attack on the US consulate in Benghazi, Libya was in revenge for the killing of the network's number two Sheikh Abu Yahya al-Libi, SITE Intelligence Group reported.

"The killing of Sheikh Abu Yahya only increased the enthusiasm and determination of the sons of (Libyan independence hero) Omar al-Mokhtar to take revenge upon those who attack our Prophet," said al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula said in a statement, quoted by the US-based monitoring group.

Al-Qaida's Yemen-based offshoot did not claim direct responsibility for Tuesday's attack on the US consulate in Benghazi that killed the US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, and three other Americans.

But it stressed that "the uprising of our people in Libya, Egypt and Yemen against America and its embassies is a sign to notify the United States that its war is not directed against groups and organisations ... but against the Islamic nation that has rebelled against injustice."
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/al-qaida-says-us-consulate-attack-revenge/story-e6freuz9-1226474918266
 
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Anonymous

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We at Courageous Christians United (CCU) had no knowledge of the film "The Innocence of Muslims" or Steve Klein's involvement in it until September 12, 2012. Steve was removed from the board of CCU as of September 14, 2012 because of his involvement in this film. As the founder of CCU, Steve was an honorary board member, but he has never been to any of our board meetings. In 2006, when I wanted to form my own non-profit corporation, Steve gave me CCU, which he was no longer using.



Steve was in no way acting on behalf of our mission organization in the production of the video. While both Steve and the film maker have a right to express their views, that doesn't mean that we here at CCU endorse this movie as a good means to convey the truth about Islam. In fact, we find this film reprehensible and irresponsible, and serving primarily to provoke a violent response.



Rob Sivulka

President, Courageous Christians United

September 14, 2012


http://www.courageouschristiansunited.org/

Interesting post on the link from the antimormon site...
 
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Anonymous

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This article ties in Klein too...

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/bestoftv/2012/09/15/kaye-vo-pkg-anti-muslim-filmmaker-walk-shot.cnn
 

Steve

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Oldtimer said:
This article ties in Klein too...

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/bestoftv/2012/09/15/kaye-vo-pkg-anti-muslim-filmmaker-walk-shot.cnn

OT this is actually old news for most those on this site..

and a distraction from what really happened..

did the radical group use the film for cover.. yes..

did they use the date of Sept. 11, for a reason to rally the protestors,.. yes.

should we eliminate anything that might offend them.. ?

should we hang this guy and all those involved as demanded by the radical Islamist?

would that be enough? no.

and what about the date... do we need to remove it from all our calendars as well?

what about America.. they really hate it as well... not to mention Israel

someday liberals will understand.. it isn't the film... it is their twisted religion that is the problem..
 
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Steve said:
someday liberals will understand.. it isn't the film... it is their twisted religion that is the problem..

Christianity is a twisted religion :???:

Most the liberal folks I know are good Christians-- and not the hate spouting anti Morman/Islam type epitomized by these folks you now seem to think we should glorify.. :(
 

Steve

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
someday liberals will understand.. it isn't the film... it is their twisted religion that is the problem..

Christianity is a twisted religion :???:

Most the liberal folks I know are good Christians-- and not the hate spouting anti Morman/Islam type epitomized by these folks you now seem to think we should glorify.. :(


well OT you are a bit like the muslims and other liberals.. you sure can twist a quote to try to make it something it is not..

as for the rest.. believe what you want.. Muslims do...

I wasn't glorifying those involved in the movie.. .. it is your thread..
 

Steve

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Steve said:
Oldtimer said:
This article ties in Klein too...

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/bestoftv/2012/09/15/kaye-vo-pkg-anti-muslim-filmmaker-walk-shot.cnn

OT this is actually old news for most those on this site..

and a distraction from what really happened..

did the radical group use the film for cover.. yes..

did they use the date of Sept. 11, for a reason to rally the protestors,.. yes.

should we eliminate anything that might offend them.. ?

should we hang this guy and all those involved as demanded by the radical Islamist?

would that be enough? no.

and what about the date... do we need to remove it from all our calendars as well?

what about America.. they really hate it as well... not to mention Israel

someday liberals will understand.. it isn't the film... it is their twisted Islamic religion that is the problem..

fixed for stupid people who can't think... :shock: :?
 

Traveler

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It would appear that all we need to do to stop the Radical Islamists from hating us is to enact Sharia Law and ban freedom of speech. Can't believe a bunch of BS apologies weren't enough.

Does anyone really believe some homemade flick on YouTube caused acts of terrorism in the Middle East?

At least we can be sure the Mormons won't act similiarly to materials criticizing them.
 

Martin Jr.

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There have been books and films full of lies made against Jesus Christ, and against religious leaders such as Piux XII and nobody died.

I can't believe that the film was the cause of this. It was planned for the anniversary of 9-11 and they used the film as an excuse.

It is well known that Moohammud used violence to advance his brand of religion. I don't know if the story in the film is truth or not. Muslims say he never sinned, but if he made the laws, how can he sin against his own laws?

If we blame the film we also have to blame the internet. The internet is what is bringing some light to a dark religion, and the light hurts their eyes.
 

okfarmer

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Martin Jr. said:
There have been books and films full of lies made against Jesus Christ, and against religious leaders such as Piux XII and nobody died.

I can't believe that the film was the cause of this. It was planned for the anniversary of 9-11 and they used the film as an excuse.

It is well known that Moohammud used violence to advance his brand of religion. I don't know if the story in the film is truth or not. Muslims say he never sinned, but if he made the laws, how can he sin against his own laws?

If we blame the film we also have to blame the internet. The internet is what is bringing some light to a dark religion, and the light hurts their eyes.

:agree:
 

Larrry

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Using this reasoning if you are driving down the road and someone would flip you off, it would be ok to kill them.

Sometimes these leftwingernuts can't think through anything.
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
someday liberals will understand.. it isn't the film... it is their twisted religion that is the problem..

Christianity is a twisted religion :???:

Most the liberal folks I know are good Christians-- and not the hate spouting anti Morman/Islam type epitomized by these folks you now seem to think we should glorify.. :(
Those are probalby the same "so called christians" which also beleive in abortion on demand, birth control on demand, queer marriage and that someday those queers will actually produce a baby.

But that makes you fit right in with them. Cause you're actually the reverse of everything you pretend to be and the so called "christian" you claim to be. God will not be fooled old man. Have you never read St. John 6:1-10?
 
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Martin Jr. said:
There have been books and films full of lies made against Jesus Christ, and against religious leaders such as Piux XII and nobody died.

I can't believe that the film was the cause of this. It was planned for the anniversary of 9-11 and they used the film as an excuse.

It is well known that Moohammud used violence to advance his brand of religion. I don't know if the story in the film is truth or not. Muslims say he never sinned, but if he made the laws, how can he sin against his own laws?

If we blame the film we also have to blame the internet. The internet is what is bringing some light to a dark religion, and the light hurts their eyes.

SO then is it the law that you proclaim that our US government back all the beliefs of Christianity-- and or not maybe Muslim-- or Judaism-- or should we add in/or not an outlier of Christianity like Mormanism- or Buddishm or Hinduaism :???:

The comedy of looking back at the old popes decrees is that even they -as deciders of what was or was not- threw out many books/passages like the The Gospel of Mary-- which brings the Christian religion into the 21st century unless you are one of the old farts still left around that think women should be kept barefoot, pregnant, and totally submissive to men....
A belief I long ago thru out the door as a Bubba/Billy Bob/Daisey Mae type law
 

redrobin

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Oldtimer said:
Martin Jr. said:
There have been books and films full of lies made against Jesus Christ, and against religious leaders such as Piux XII and nobody died.

I can't believe that the film was the cause of this. It was planned for the anniversary of 9-11 and they used the film as an excuse.

It is well known that Moohammud used violence to advance his brand of religion. I don't know if the story in the film is truth or not. Muslims say he never sinned, but if he made the laws, how can he sin against his own laws?

If we blame the film we also have to blame the internet. The internet is what is bringing some light to a dark religion, and the light hurts their eyes.

SO then is it the law that you proclaim that our US government back all the beliefs of Christianity-- and or not maybe Muslim-- or Judaism-- or should we add in/or not an outlier of Christianity like Mormanism- or Buddishm or Hinduaism :???:

The comedy of looking back at the old popes decrees is that even they -as deciders of what was or was not- threw out many books/passages like the The Gospel of Mary-- which brings the Christian religion into the 21st century unless you are one of the old farts still left around that think women should be kept barefoot, pregnant, and totally submissive to men....
A belief I long ago thru out the door as a Bubba/Billy Bob/Daisey Mae type law
You are drunk again.... You are making a fool of yourself and know nothing about what you're talking about. You remind me of Edith Bunker except you don't have any redeeming qualities.
 

Martin Jr.

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The books of the bible were decided in the fourth century as books that were appropriate to be read during the Breaking of the Bread. These books were deemed to be inspired and aligned with the teachings of Christ.

Other books that were left out can be good reading, but sometimes were exagerations or had errors of some events

The Catholic church has never been an enemy of women as you imply, but has never waivered from the age old commandments respecting life and the rights of women within the precepts that Jesus Christ gave us.

The founders of our country chose to make our laws on good values and beliefs that valued the rights of individuals to have their own beliefs and to own property. Although these values had long been developed in Christianity, they should not be limited to Christians.
 

redrobin

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Texan said:
Ouch. Edith Bunker certainly didn't deserve that. :lol:
Good point. I don't think that she was a slobbering fat alcoholic anyway. I love it when we get to receive Christian history lessons from someone of the likes of Oldtimer. That great bastion of Christian knowledge. I guess we're to believe he's the keeper of the real hidden truths of the canonization of scripture. How odd that the truth was hidden deep inside whiskey bottles.
 

Larrry

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The only thing bigger than his gut is his mouth

The only thing smaller than his credibility is his brain

But he does have a big ego which is swelled from the overabundance of alcohol
 
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