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'Patriot' group looks to create armed community in Idaho, Montana or Wyoming

8 hours ago • By MARTIN KIDSTON Missoulian


MISSOULA — A group bound by the Second Amendment, patriotism and pride in “American exceptionalism” is looking to purchase several thousand acres of land in northern Idaho or Western Montana to establish a gated community of like-minded residents.

According to the project description, The Citadel would house between 3,500 and 7,000 patriotic American families who believe in emergency preparedness, and who can show efficiency with the “American icon of liberty – the Rifle.”


Advertisements on the group’s website urge visitors to “Get an AR ... before it’s too late,” referring to the controversial AR-15 assault rifle.

The group says it’s looking to break ground on its community this year. It’s eyeing Benewah County, Idaho, outside of Coeur d’Alene, though it said Montana could be considered as well.

“While every effort and intention is to build in Benewah County, the Citadel Project reserves the right to select a final location with similar terrain in other Idaho counties or, if necessary, in Montana, Wyoming or elsewhere in the American Redoubt,” the website says.

The group describes itself as a nonprofit, liberty-driven group that believes in Thomas Jefferson’s Rightful Liberty. Marxists, socialists, liberals and establishment Republicans need not apply, the group says, as they would find life in the community “incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles.”

The group’s blog says its spokesman, who isn’t identified, is not yet willing to give interviews, and media requests were referred back to the group’s website, iiicitadel.com.

The Southern Poverty Law Center dismissed The Citidel concept as an “idle fantasy,” while the Montana Human Rights Network plans to keep tabs on the group’s progress.

“Their talking points fit into the general anti-government survivalist movement,” said Rachel Carroll Rivas, co-director Human Rights Network. “They’re more explicit on their requirements for guns than some groups have been in the past.”

Carroll Rivas said her group has seen greater political engagement over the past four years by groups on the far right, including those interested in the survivalist concept.

Frustrated by the outcome of recent elections, however, they’ve begun to withdraw from the political process due to a sense of defeat. The process follows trends in recent history, including that in the 1990s, which saw the rise of groups in Montana like the Freemen during Bill Clinton’s presidency.

“When you don’t get what you want, you pull away, and it’s not surprising that some people would go this route,” Carroll Rivas said. “History has shown there’s an interest in our region.”

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To win residency to The Citadel, applicants would have to agree to a list of conditions, such as following the U.S. Constitution, and being able to shoot a man-sized steel target at various distances with a handgun and rifle.

Members must keep an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle handy, along with at least five magazines, 1,000 rounds of ammunition and other supplies. Stocking provisions for one year is also required.

“The responsibility for maintaining functional arms and ammunition levels for every member of the household shall fall to the head of household,” the application form reads. “Every able-bodied Patriot will be responsible for maintaining a Tactical Go Bag or Muster Kit to satisfy the Minuteman concept.”

The group says it won’t have a leader. There will be no home ownership fees, no “recycling police” and no ordinance enforcers from city hall. Homes would be poured of concrete, the website says, to achieve maximum strength.

Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, said he doubts the group is any bigger than one or two individuals looking to win a following. He called it nothing more than an idle fantasy.

“We don’t know who’s behind it, but the claim that there are several hundred people involved is patently ludicrous,” Potok said. “We’re likely talking about a man, a dog and his computer envisioning this whole imaginary city. We don’t take it that seriously.”

Carroll Rivas said the Human Rights Network and similar organizations across the region will continue to track The Citadel’s progress toward realizing its goals.

“They’re definitely new players, but we tend to see a lot of repeats,” Carroll Rivas said. “That western Montana region that borders Idaho has had some overlap with the anti-government survivalist groups


Read more: http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/patriot-group-looks-to-create-armed-community-in-idaho-montana/article_3f4368e3-407c-590e-9263-594456826987.html#ixzz2Hnuz9caz


A perfect place for all you rightwingernut anarchists, secessionists, and folks who hate this country so bad to all go- set up your perfect little world- play Chuck Norris day and night and sing Kumbaya together .... :roll: :p :lol: :(
 

Broke Cowboy

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Would all those present who HATE the US of A please stand up and be counted? I have never met one on this site - can someone point him or her out to me please?

Or perhaps those who love their country should stand up and be counted.

I think there might be a few of them here on this site.

In fact I would be my next pay cheque there are at least a couple of you despite the scribings above.

Not very nice to call the people here those names - I think they could be called a lot of things - but definitely NOT not someone who hates their country.

Heck, even this Canuck has a pretty high opinion of the folks on here for the most part! Even if they DO come from the US of A. LOL

Best to all

BC
 
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Broke Cowboy said:
Would all those present who HATE the US of A please stand up and be counted? I have never met one on this site - can someone point him or her out to me please?

Or perhaps those who love their country should stand up and be counted.

I think there might be a few of them here on this site.

In fact I would be my next pay cheque there are at least a couple of you despite the scribings above.

Not very nice to call the people here those names - I think they could be called a lot of things - but definitely NOT not someone who hates their country.

Heck, even this Canuck has a pretty high opinion of the folks on here for the most part! Even if they DO come from the US of A. LOL

Best to all

BC

If you support groups that promote anarchy and secession from the United States- to me you must hate your country....

An example:

Tea Party group wants Montana to secede from union
November 20, 2012 11:45 pm • By CHARLES S. JOHNSON Gazette State Bureau


HELENA — A Tea Party group based in Billings has launched digital petitions asking the White House to allow Montana to secede from the United States and create its own new government.

Similar efforts began in all 50 states after the President Barack Obama’s victory earlier this month
, the Los Angeles Times reported.

There are two separate digital petitions requesting that Montana be allowed to secede on the White House website for petitions.

Spearheading the secession effort here are the Montana Shrugged Tea Party Patriots.

“It’s more of an attention-getter,” said Eric Olsen, the group’s co-founder. “We’re trying to raise our voice again, hoping people will listen. We hope somebody listens to us someday.”

The petitions call on the Obama administration to “peacefully grant the state of Montana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government .”


Ex-Rep. Joe Walsh: 'We may have to shed blood' to 'preserve our freedoms'

By Cameron Joseph - 01/10/13 12:05 PM ET

Firebrand former Rep. Joe Walsh (R-Ill.) called for civil disobedience to block the implementation of the Affordable Care Act or new gun regulations on Thursday, paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson to call for a fight against the Democratic positions.

"We may have to shed blood every couple hundred years to preserve our freedoms," he said, paraphrasing Jefferson after arguing the GOP was losing the "war" for voters.


Walsh, a Tea Party favorite who has flirted with running for governor or for the Senate in 2014, said he's "not there yet" on possibly leaving the GOP, and called for fighting inside the party to push it further to the right.

To me it must take some deep deep hatred of your country to want to leave it and set up a new one with a new government.. Or to promote anarchy and civil war....
And that's exactly what these Tea Party groups are now doing since they didn't get their way thru a lawful election process...
 

hypocritexposer

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Back when Bush was President

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=212944&highlight=secession#212944


You can tell by the parts OT highlighted that he felt differently back in 2007.
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Back when Bush was President

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=212944&highlight=secession#212944


You can tell by the parts OT highlighted that he felt differently back in 2007.

Same thing- radical right or radical left-- all extremely dangerous...
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Back when Bush was President

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=212944&highlight=secession#212944


You can tell by the parts OT highlighted that he felt differently back in 2007.

Same thing- radical right or radical left-- all extremely dangerous...


you posted it becasue you agreed with their assestment of what was going on under Bush.

don't deny it now, we won't believe you.



Oldtimer said:
Monday » June 4 » 2007

Vermont secessionist movement gains support

John Curran
Canadian Press


Monday, June 04, 2007


MONTPELIER, Vt. (AP) - Disillusioned by what they call an empire about to fall, a small cadre of writers and academics in Vermont want the state to secede from the United States.

The secessionists hope to put the question before citizens in March. Eventually, they want to persuade state legislators to declare independence, returning Vermont to the status it held from 1777 to 1791.

Neither the state nor the U.S. Constitution explicitly forbids secession but few people think it is politically viable.

"I always thought the Civil War settled that," said Russell Wheeler, a constitutional law expert at the Brookings Institution in Washington.

If Vermont fought and won a war with the U.S. government, "then you could say Vermont proved the point."

"But that's not going to happen," Wheeler said.

Still, the idea has found plenty of sympathetic ears in Vermont, a left-leaning state that said yes to civil unions, no to slavery (before any other) and last year elected a socialist to the U.S. Senate.

Supporters have published a "Green Mountain Manifesto" subtitled "Why and How Tiny Vermont Might Help Save America From Itself by Seceding from the Union."

In 2005, about 300 people turned out for a secession convention in the Statehouse and plans for a second one are in the works. A poll this year by the University of Vermont's Center for Rural Studies found 13 per cent of those surveyed support secession, up from eight per cent a year before.

"The argument for secession is that the U.S. has become an empire that is essentially ungovernable - it's too big, it's too corrupt and it no longer serves the needs of its citizens," said Rob Williams, editor of Vermont Commons, a quarterly newspaper dedicated to secession.

"We have electoral fraud, rampant corporate corruption, a culture of militarism and war," Williams said.

"If you care about democracy and self-governance and any kind of representative system, the only constitutional way to preserve what's left of the Republic is to peaceably take apart the empire."

Vermont, which was historically conservative, has evolved into one of the country's most liberal states since the latter part of the 20th century, a bastion of countercultural dissent and New England self-reliance, where folks wear their hearts - and their anti-war stickers - on their Subaru station wagon bumpers.

Secession movements have a long history. Key West, Fla., staged a mock secession in the 1980s. In Vermont, the town Killington tried to break away and join New Hampshire in 2004 and Hawaii, Alaska, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Texas all have some form of secession organizations.

The Vermont movement has been simmering for years but gained new traction because of the Iraq war, rising oil prices and the formation of several pro-secession groups.

Secession supporters hope to have the question considered in March on Town Meeting Day, when voters gather to discuss state and local issues.

Thomas Naylor, 70, a retired Duke University economics professor and author, wrote the manifesto and founded a secession group called Second Vermont Republic.

His 112-page manifesto contains little explanation of how Vermont would make do without federal aid for security, education and social programs. Some in the movement foresee a Vermont with its own currency and passports, for example, and some form of representative government formed once the secession has taken place.

Frank Bryan, a professor at the University of Vermont who has championed the cause for years, said the cachet of secession would make the new republic a magnet.

"People would obviously relish coming to the Republic of Vermont, the Switzerland of North America," he said.

"Christ, you couldn't keep them away."

The Middlebury Institute, a Cold Spring, N.Y., think-tank, hosted a North American Separatist Convention last fall in Burlington that drew representatives from 16 organizations. The group is co-sponsoring another conference in October in Chattanooga, Tenn.

Of course, skeptics abound.

"It doesn't make economic sense, it doesn't make political sense, it doesn't make historical sense," said Paul Gillies, a lawyer and Vermont historian.

"Other than that, it's a good idea."

For now, the would-be secessionists are hoping to draw enough support to put the question on Town Meeting Day agendas.

"We're normal human beings," said Williams, 39, a history professor at Champlain College.

"But we're serious about this. We want people in Vermont to think about the options going forward."

"Do you want to stay in an empire that's in deep trouble?"

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/oddities/story.html?id=9b73670a-92b1-4f2d-82c2-d93a4b488b56&k=95351
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
Same thing- radical right or radical left-- all extremely dangerous...


you posted it becasue you agreed with their assestment of what was going on under Bush.

don't deny it now, we won't believe you.

I can't say that- because I have no idea what we were discussing back 6 years ago- often I post something just to prove a point- like the point that folks were getting a little tired of GW and the Bush Bust we were already in....

I'm not a proponent of overthrowing our government by violent means-- or of political leaders advocating disobedience to the government and bloodshed...

Here is another ********* suggesting breaking the law- civil disobedience- violence (shedding blood) and anarchy against a lawfully elected government....
A rightwingernut shock radio host (G. Gordon Liddy) preaching civil disobedience just like that is what initially stirred Timothy McVeigh to bomb Oklahoma City and in his trying to kill government employees to revenge Waco also killed many innocent kids and bystanders too...

All it takes is one or two weak minded followers wanting to get a little fame- and thinking this means they have been blessed by a leader to do these acts- and will be held up to martyrdom- and you end up with another Oklahoma City or worse...
 

Soapweed

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Michelle Obama hates this country.
Oldtimer loves the Obamas and all that they stand for.
Therefore, Oldtimer must hate this country also.

Oldtimer, this is the type of logic you use. If you don't get any respect on this site, your illogical logic could be a big reason why. :roll:
 
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Soapweed said:
Michelle Obama hates this country.
Oldtimer loves the Obamas and all that they stand for.
Therefore, Oldtimer must hate this country also.

Oldtimer, this is the type of logic you use. If you don't get any respect on this site, your illogical logic could be a big reason why. :roll:

Soap-- SHOW ME one place where I have ever said I love the Obama's or love Michelle Obama...
Just one....

I thought you were above the lying and falsehoods of the rest of this group- but I guess they sucked you in... :( :(

Maybe with a little persuasion you could get them to look at the Sandhills for their nuthouse Utopia.... :wink: :p :lol:
 

Soapweed

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Oldtimer said:
Soapweed said:
Michelle Obama hates this country.
Oldtimer loves the Obamas and all that they stand for.
Therefore, Oldtimer must hate this country also.

Oldtimer, this is the type of logic you use. If you don't get any respect on this site, your illogical logic could be a big reason why. :roll:

Soap-- SHOW ME one place where I have ever said I love the Obama's or love Michelle Obama...
Just one....

I thought you were above the lying and falsehoods of the rest of this group- but I guess they sucked you in... :( :(

Maybe with a little persuasion you could get them to look at the Sandhills for their nuthouse Utopia.... :wink: :p :lol:

If you are not against them, you are for them.

You have never said one bad word about the Obamas, and you can not say a nice word about George W. Bush. Yes, Bush was not perfect, but compared to Obama, he is a saint. Obama has spent multitudes more money than Bush ever thought about spending. You came down hard on Bush "spending like a drunken sailor," but you seem to completely uphold everything Obama has done that puts this great country in jeopardy.
 
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Soapweed said:
Oldtimer said:
Soapweed said:
Michelle Obama hates this country.
Oldtimer loves the Obamas and all that they stand for.
Therefore, Oldtimer must hate this country also.

Oldtimer, this is the type of logic you use. If you don't get any respect on this site, your illogical logic could be a big reason why. :roll:

Soap-- SHOW ME one place where I have ever said I love the Obama's or love Michelle Obama...
Just one....

I thought you were above the lying and falsehoods of the rest of this group- but I guess they sucked you in... :( :(

Maybe with a little persuasion you could get them to look at the Sandhills for their nuthouse Utopia.... :wink: :p :lol:

If you are not against them, you are for them.

You have never said one bad word about the Obamas, and you can not say a nice word about George W. Bush. Yes, Bush was not perfect, but compared to Obama, he is a saint. Obama has spent multitudes more money than Bush ever thought about spending. You came down hard on Bush "spending like a drunken sailor," but you seem to completely uphold everything Obama has done that puts this great country in jeopardy.

I probably never said a word against Bush- until about 2005 and in his second term when it became obvious to any that looked- and I could see he was totally screwed up.. I gave Obama somewhat the same leeway (altho I did not vote for Obama like I did GW on the second term)... But you must have missed all the posts when I said I opposed parts of Obama's environmental, energy, foreign intervention, etc. policies....As far as the spending goes-- we had two totally differing situations...We were already well into the Bush Bust- and many economists said it was going to take spending to keep the economy from imploding... And that spending was being spent in the US- for US folks-- and not being buried in a sandpit or given to every Arab Mullah...
BUT- when someone comes out with a rightwing idea that is not legal or constitutional-- or that I fear will promote dangerous acts-- I'm damn sure going to speak out....And that's exactly what these Tea Party nutcases are doing right now with all their talk of anarchy...
 

Mike

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There are hundreds of survivalist residential developments popping up across the country. Some are doing very well as having sold most of their lots.

Mark Potok is trying to scare his donors (blacks) in to filling his bank account again............................................

"White Flight" is not a new phenomenon. Been going on for years and years.

Who mentioned "anarchy" in the original post?
 

Whitewing

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hypocritexposer said:
Back when Bush was President

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=212944&highlight=secession#212944


You can tell by the parts OT highlighted that he felt differently back in 2007.

Of course he felt differently back then. OT's "principles" and "outrage" morph depending on who holds the office.

That's why it's so easy to demonstrate his hypocrisy by going back and looking at posts he made when there was an (R) president versus a (D).
 

Mike

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Oldtimer - Posted in 2005
As an Independent I voted for GW- wasn't much other choice-- still support him on many issues and am glad we have a President with good moral character...
 

Mike

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Whitewing said:
Mike said:
Oldtimer - Posted in 2005
As an Independent I voted for GW- wasn't much other choice-- still support him on many issues and am glad we have a President with good moral character...

Bush must have been above 50% approval at that moment. :lol:

My question is if he thinks Bush has "good moral character" how could Bush make all his "Fatcat" Wall street friends and "Oil" buddies filthy rich off the gov't?
:roll:
 

Whitewing

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Mike said:
Whitewing said:
Mike said:
Oldtimer - Posted in 2005

Bush must have been above 50% approval at that moment. :lol:

My question is if he thinks Bush has "good moral character" how could Bush make all his "Fatcat" Wall street friends and "Oil" buddies filthy rich off the gov't?
:roll:

Try to keep up Mike.

That was before Bush lied to the American people about WMD in Iraq, altered reports sent to the congress, told regulators to take an 8 year vacation, and was accused of criminal activities by fellow pub lawmakers.

Of course, ask the pickled brain to link you to a single source for those assertions and all you'll get is a deer in the headlights stare.
 
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