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3 killed in shootings at Kansas City-area Jewish centers


By Matthew Stucker and Catherine E. Shoichet, CNN

updated 11:05 PM EDT, Sun April 13, 2014


(CNN) -- A gunman opened fire at two Jewish facilities near Kansas City on Sunday, killing three people, police said.

Authorities are investigating whether the shootings were a hate crime, Overland Park Police Chief John Douglass told reporters.

"It's too early in the investigation to try to label it. We know it's a vicious act of violence. Obviously, at two Jewish facilities, one might make that assumption, but we're going to have to know more about it," he said.

Suspect Frazier Glenn Cross faces charges of premeditated first-degree murder. He is scheduled to appear in court on Monday, Lt. Craig Buckendahl from the Johnson County Sheriff's Office said.

Video from CNN affiliate KMBC showed a man who appeared to be the suspect sitting in the back of a patrol car and shouting, "Heil Hitler."

Douglass said police are investigating statements the suspect made after his arrest, but declined to provide additional details.

Investigators believe the suspect is affiliated with white-supremacist groups and was involved in previous incidents, such as threats, two federal law enforcement officials told CNN.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, described Cross as a longtime, "raging anti-Semite" who has posted extensively in an online forum that advocates exterminating Jews.

The shootings occurred at the Jewish Community Center of Greater Kansas City in Overland Park, Kansas, and at the Village Shalom Retirement Community in Leawood, Kansas.

Authorities arrested the suspect at a nearby elementary school after the shootings, Douglass said. The suspected shooter is not from Kansas and did not appear to know his victims, he said.

A shotgun was involved in the shootings, Douglass said. Authorities are investigating whether other weapons were also involved.

The gunman shot at a total of five people, Douglass said, but two of them were not injured.

The FBI is at the scene working with local authorities, FBI spokesman Joel Sealer said.

Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr. (b. Nov 23, 1940), commonly known as Glenn Miller or "Fraiser Glenn Cross Jr", is the former leader of the defunct North Carolina-based White Patriot Party (formerly known as the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan). Convicted of criminal charges related to weapons and violation of an injunction against paramilitary activity, he is a perennial candidate for public office. He is an advocate of white nationalism, white separatism, and anti-Semitic theories; and a critic of homosexuality and Third World immigration into historically White nations.

He is a suspect in the Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting on April 13, 2014.
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White Patriot Party

In 1980 Miller founded the White Patriot Party, which developed from the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, a local chapter. It was a paramilitary organization with an ideology influenced by the Christian Identity theology. Miller was the leader and principal spokesman for the organization until his arrest in 1987, after which the organization soon dissolved.

After the Southern Poverty Law Center surreptitiously accessed the WPP computer systems, it presented evidence in court indicating the WPP leadership was planning the assassination of SPLC leader Morris Dees. The court issued an injunction barring the WPP, and Miller specifically, from engaging in paramilitary activity. The WPP was avowedly pro-Apartheid, and openly advocated the establishment of an all-White ethnostate in the territory of the American South.

During his time as leader of the WPP, Miller unsuccessfully sought both the Democratic Party 's 1984 nomination for Governor of North Carolina, and the 1986 Republican Party's nomination for a seat in the United States Senate.

Arrest and conviction

After going underground, Miller was arrested on April 30, 1987, on numerous Federal criminal charges in the company of three other men (Tony Wydra, Robert "Jack" Jackson, and Douglas Sheets), who were also taken into Federal custody. After his arrest, Miller agreed to testify against several other defendants in a major Federal sedition trial in Arkansas. He served three years (1987-1990) in Federal prison, following his conviction for weapons violations, as well as for violating the injunction proscribing him from engaging in paramilitary activities.
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On April 13, 2014, Miller was named the only suspect for the shooting earlier that day in suburban Kansas City that ended in the death of 3 people. Shootings occurred both at the Jewish Community Center and at retirement home Village Shalom nearby, both located in Overland Park. The names of the victims of the JCC shooting were released, identifying victims as Dr. William Lewis Corporon and his grandson, 14-year-old Reat Griffin Underwood. Both were Christian. The name of the woman shot at Village Shalom has not yet been released. Two others had been shot at, but escaped without wounds. Miller was found later outside an elementary school nearby and was immediately declared a suspect. Authorities told reporters that Miller had shouted "heil Hitler" numerous times during shooting and arrest.

Looks like another rightwingernut whacko went off the deep end shooting folks... The current climate again is nourishing them... :(
This is the type rightwingernut that calling a ********* is a compliment of ! :mad:
 

Tam

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3144088/posts

From the comment section :wink:

Media to call him a “Tea Partier” in 3...2...1....

They must know you Oldtimer :wink:

Another one from the comments

fwiw, from wikipedia...
Frazier Glenn Miller Jr.


Born
(1940-11-23) November 23, 1940 (age 73)
United States

Occupation
Politician, writer


Political party
Democrat (1984)
Republican (1986)
Independent (2006-2010)

So he was a Democrat, then a Republican, then an Independent, where does it say he was a rightwinger any more than he was a leftwinger? Could he not just be a WINGNUT why does it always have to be left or right with you liberals? :roll:
 

Tam

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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/04/13/2-Dead-in-Shooting-at-Jewish-Community-Center-in-Kansas-Hundreds-of-Students


from the comments


Hitler was a Big G socialist.

Despite the NYC medias attempt to paint him as a conservative,he was a liberal.

The Nazi party was the National Socialist Party, and just like the KKK was all democrats the MSM likes to rewrite history when it makes commies look bad.

This next commenter must know you too Oldtimer :wink:

Conservatives and libertarians believe in limited government. Neo-Nazis are anarchists and believe in no government authority. Neo-Nazis just like to adopt the "Nazi" persona because they are anti-social racist nutcases and enjoy rubbing people the wrong way. I don't associate them with any left or right wing people. They are crazy all by themselves. The fact that radical left-wing propaganda organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center associate them with the Tea Party is just pure intellectual dishonesty and they know it

Why don't you wait until a few more facts are known before tagging this guy anything but as total wingnut, as it seems the left bias media that you get your cultist info from has a proven history of labeling people only to find out the wacko was from THEIR SIDE or has no side. :wink:
 

loomixguy

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If you don't think a leftwinger can also be an anti Semite, just look at kola.

What OT just posted is exactly what a bigoted racist homophobe would post. :roll:
 

Traveler

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Rightwinger claims are bullshi*.

Put another way, less than 5% of whites, Asians, and “others” (including Native Americans) combined hold deeply entrenched anti-Semitic views, compared to over 30% of African Americans and Latinos
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/02/19/entrenched-anti-semitic-views-very-rare-among-whites-and-asian-americans-common-among-blacks-and-latinos/
 

hopalong

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Hard not to make an azz of your self when you are oldtimer... he is nothing but a hit and runner,,, he will post his garbage and then run like the pussy he is

Told any truths today oldtimer?????
 
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BUT- BUT-- don't you know the left/liberals are all anti-gun, so his use of a gun in a crime eliminated that possibility ... :wink:

The White Patriot Party (WPP) was an American anti-Semitic white supremacist paramilitary political party associated with Christian Identity and the Ku Klux Klan. It was led by its founder, Frazier Glenn Miller Jr., through various organizational incarnations. The organization began in the mid-1970s as the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. It was involved in the incident in Greensboro, North Carolina when a confrontation between Klansmen, Nazis and communists left five people dead. The organization became the Confederate Knights of the Ku Klux Klan in the early 1980s and the White Patriot Party in 1985.
At a time of a poor farming economy in North Carolina, the group built support by blaming economic problems on Jewish bankers. Estimates were that its numbers might have been as high as 3000. On April 6, 1987, the group declared war against the federal government, which they called "Zionist Occupation Government" (ZOG).
The WPP collapsed after Miller violated an injunction against paramilitary activity and was convicted of threatening the civil rights activist Morris Dees. He was imprisoned from 1987-1990. In a 1988 sedition trial in Arkansas, Miller testified for the prosecution that he had received $200,000 in stolen money from The Order to finance operations of the White Patriot Party. The Order was also called the Brüder Schweigen, or Silent Brotherhood.

Kind of reminds me of the Freemen (who were tied to the Aryan Nation) who sucked in economically stressed farmers blaming all their problems on the Jews and government.... These are the type that were slowly being ridded from this country- but grew a second breath with all the anti-government, anti-authority, anarchy and secession talk put out by many of those that crawled in bed with to seek legitimacy, and found a place to grow within the Tea Party...
Again another reason I want nothing to do with the Tea Party...

You can classify them anyway you want- but I will go the way L.E. and the FBI have classified these groups for years (KKK, Aryan Nation, Neo Nazi's, skinheads, etc.) and that is that they are right wing extremist groups...
 

ranch hand

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Ot who is Obama's cult ring that was all for taking of the guns and got arrested for gun running? They are a crooked bunch you run with. :? Kind shoots your old horse out from under you doesn't it? Oh I bet he was a right wing in disguise in Obama's cult ring.
 

hopalong

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well we know oldtimer does not see out of his eyes very well they are to covered in brown stuff coming from bamma's rear where he keeps his head... :wink: :wink: :wink:
 

Mike

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We've got thugs in every big city killing folks by the hundreds everyday, many because of race alone, and OT zeroes in on this? Amazing.

He ain't worth your time................

I do wonder one thing tho'. If all the KKK/Nazi types he talks about are in Montana, why do he live there?
 

Larrry

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Steve

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It really pisses me off when they use the word christian with a hate group..

I would bet this guy hasn't stepped in a church in a few decades and has never read let alone opened a Bible..

and me other pet peeve is when they claim he is a rightwing..

the guy was a wacko,... and ran for Office in 1984 as a democrat.
a few years later he ran as a republican,.. and then switched to independent..

Democratic Frazier Glenn Miller Jr.

Republican Frazier Glenn Miller Jr.

Independent Frazier Glenn Miller Jr.


but then once the liberals stop looking at facts and get in step with the left cult.. those accusations just keep coming out...


this a--wipe, shot a grandfather and his grandson...

a woman and then gave up..

there is only a few words that fit.. coward..
 

Steve

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Again another reason I want nothing to do with the Tea Party...

can't blame you for that, as your liberal values are about as inconsistent with the TEA party as you could get...

oh and by the way.. we want you to join US about as much as we want that other crap who use our movement to promote their hate..

(in other words, none of you are welcome.. )


nothing worse then a slime who uses decent people to make his agenda look better..
 
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U.S. right wing extremists more deadly than jihadists


By Peter Bergen and David Sterman

updated 7:43 PM EDT, Mon April 14, 2014


Editor's note: Peter Bergen is CNN's national security analyst, a director at the New America Foundation and the author of "Manhunt: The Ten-Year Search for bin Laden -- From 9/11 to Abbottabad." David Sterman is a research assistant at the New America Foundation.

(CNN) -- On Sunday, a man shot and killed a 14-year-old boy and his grandfather at the Jewish Community Center of Greater Kansas City and then drove to a nearby Jewish retirement community where he shot and killed a third person. Police arrested a suspect, Frazier Glenn Cross, who shouted "Heil Hitler" after he was taken into custody.

Cross, who also goes by Frazier Glenn Miller, is a well-known right wing extremist who founded the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and the White Patriot Party, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Now let's do the thought experiment in which instead of shouting "Heil Hitler" after he was arrested, the suspect had shouted "Allahu Akbar." Only two days before the first anniversary of the Boston Marathon bombings, this simple switch of words would surely have greatly increased the extent and type of coverage the incident received.


Yet the death toll in the shootings in Kansas is similar to that of last year's Boston Marathon bombings, where three people were killed and the suspects later killed a police officer as they tried to evade capture. (Many more, of course, were also wounded in the Boston attacks; 16 men, women and children lost limbs.)

In fact, since 9/11 extremists affiliated with a variety of far-right wing ideologies, including white supremacists, anti-abortion extremists and anti-government militants, have killed more people in the United States than have extremists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology. According to a count by the New America Foundation, right wing extremists have killed 34 people in the United States for political reasons since 9/11. (The total includes the latest shootings in Kansas, which are being classified as a hate crime).


By contrast, terrorists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology have killed 23 people in the United States since 9/11.

(Although a variety of left wing militants and environmental extremists have carried out violent attacks for political reasons against property and individuals since 9/11, none have been linked to a lethal attack, according to research by the New America Foundation.)

Moreover, since 9/11 none of the more than 200 individuals indicted or convicted in the United States of some act of jihadist terrorism have acquired or used chemical or biological weapons or their precursor materials, while 13 individuals motivated by right wing extremist ideology, one individual motivated by left-wing extremist ideology, and two with idiosyncratic beliefs, used or acquired such weapons or their precursors.

A similar attack to the one that Frazier Glenn Cross is accused of in Kansas occurred in August 2012 when Wade Michael Page killed six people in a shooting at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin. Page was a member of a white supremacist band and associated with the Hammerskins, a white supremacist group. Page committed suicide during the attack.

Page is not, of course, the only right wing extremist to have used lethal violence to achieve political ends. In 2009, for instance, Shawna Forde, Albert Gaxiola, and Jason Bush raided a house in Arizona, killing Raul Flores and his daughter Brisenia. The three attackers sought to use the burglary to finance their anti-immigration vigilante group, Minutemen American Defense. Forde and Bush were convicted and sentenced to death. Gaxiola was sentenced to life in prison.

Also in 2009, Scott Roeder murdered Dr. George Tiller, who ran an abortion clinic in Wichita, Kansas. In 2010 Roeder was convicted of first-degree murder. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Roeder not only had ties to the extreme anti-abortion movement, but he also had been pulled over while driving with a fake license plate bearing the markings of the Sovereign Citizens, a movement of individuals who deny that the government has authority over them.


Of course, the deadliest terrorist attack on American soil prior to 9/11 was the Oklahoma City bombing, which was masterminded by Timothy McVeigh, a man with deep ties to far-right militant circles. McVeigh killed 168 people when he bombed the Alfred P. Murrah federal building on April 19, 1995.

Despite this history of deadly violence by individuals motivated by political ideologies other than al Qaeda, it is jihadist violence that continues to dominate the news and the attention of policy makers.

Some of this is quite understandable. After all, on 9/11 al Qaeda's 19 terrorists killed almost 3,000 people in the space of a morning. Since then al Qaeda's branch in Yemen tried to bring down with a bomb secreted on a passenger an American commercial jet flying over Detroit on Christmas Day 2009 and al Qaeda's branch in Pakistan tried to launch bombings on the New York subway system a few months earlier. Luckily those plots didn't succeed, but certainly if they had the death toll would have been on a large scale.

Yet the disparity in media coverage between even failed jihadist terrorist attacks and this latest incident in Kansas is emblematic of a flawed division in the public's mind between killing that is purportedly committed in the name of Allah and killing that is committed for other political ends, such as neo-Nazi beliefs about the need to kill Jews.

Part of the reason for this disconnect might be that when a Department of Homeland Security report warning of violent right wing extremism was leaked in 2009, it generated a substantial political controversy.

In a 2011 interview with the Southern Poverty Law Center, Daryl Johnson, the leader of the team that produced the report, argued that following the controversy, DHS's examination of such threats suffered, stating "Since our report was leaked, DHS has not released a single report of its own on this topic. Not anything dealing with non-Islamic domestic extremism—whether it's anti-abortion extremists, white supremacists, 'sovereign citizens,' eco-terrorists, the whole gamut."

The threat from al Qaeda and its associated forces has changed significantly since 9/11. Today, almost 13 years after 9/11, al Qaeda has not successfully conducted another attack inside the United States. And since 2011, no individual charged with plotting to conduct an al Qaeda-inspired terrorist attack inside the United States has acted with more than one accomplice. This demonstrates the difficulties today of forming a jihadist group sufficiently large enough to conduct a complex attack anything on the scale of 9/11, and is a tribute to the success of law enforcement agencies in detecting and deterring jihadist terrorist activity.

Today in the United States, al Qaeda-type terrorism is the province of individuals with no real connection to foreign terrorists, aside from reading their propaganda online. Given this, it becomes harder to explain, in terms of American national security, why violence by homegrown right wing extremists receives substantially less attention than does violence by homegrown jihadist militants.

This fellows opinion backs mine of the danger to individuals and the country that the right wing extremist groups and rightwingernut whackos present.... Especially those that "recognize no government authority or rule of law" .......

 
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