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Oldtimer said:
Maybe you just bought into the right wing propoganda...

We have more oil production than we had under Bush..We are importing less foreign oil than we did under Bush and are now exporting oil products...

There are more offshore drilling permits and federal land drilling permits currently being put up for bid than ever under GW..

We are opening up access to more natural gas fields than we ever did...And with the new technology of being able to liquify natural gas more efficiently-it is opening up hundreds of new uses....

There are several clean coal plants now in the proposal stage- which includes opening up new coal fields...

Forbes Op/Ed|1/31/2012 @ 11:39AM
President Obama's Domestic Energy State Of Delusion
Larry Bell,

President Barack Obama's administration has claimed a number of remarkable accomplishments that will reduce dependence upon foreign oil and secure future energy security. Statements leading up to and during his January 24 State of the Union address take credit for highest levels of natural gas production in more than 30 years, record oil production in eight years, reduction of oil imports by an average of 1.1 million barrels per day, and making the U.S. a net energy exporter.

To hear him tell it, these achievements, to the extent they really exist, are appropriately attributable to his foresight and actions, rather to than to an entrepreneurial energy industry. Speaking at a January 17 meeting of his Jobs and Competitive Council he complained about lack of recognition of this fact, stating, "Folks are acting as if that [natural gas boon] just sprung out of thin air and is one more example of the dynamism of the marketplace." Yup, under his leadership, government did it.


Furthermore, his masterworks have but only begun. Next he will open up 75% of our potential offshore oil and gas resources for development, and approve enough renewable energy projects on federal land to power three million homes.

Of course there is obviously a small catch. He will need a little more time, another four years beyond this one, to really solve everything. But before we cast those 2012 ballots to allow that to happen, let's review the veracity of his many claims thanks to lots of fact checking help from the Institute for Energy Research (EIR) and Politifact.com.

and what does the Intstitute of Energy Research say Oldtimer :wink:

Fact Checking President Obama's Claims About Domestic Energy Production
Posted January 20, 2012 | Print this page
The Obama campaign just released a website that purports to provide "the facts of President Obama energy record." This is an intentional effort by the Obama campaign to distort the President's abysmal energy record. After all, energy production on federal land is down under President Obama and the Obama campaign is trying their hardest to hide and obfuscate this basic fact.

Obama Claim: "Since President Obama took office, oil imports have been reduced by an average of 1.1 million barrels per day."

Reality: A reduction of imports has happened without President Obama, not because of him. More than half of the reduction is because the ongoing recession and much higher price have made fuel so expensive that consumers are using less of it.

Obama Claim: 2010 domestic crude oil production reached its highest levels since 2003.

Reality: This is true, but the average production per day for 2011 is only 0.3 million barrels per day higher than in 2009. And, as noted above, the reason that U.S. crude oil production is increasing is because of production on private and state lands while production on federal lands is decreasing. The President cannot honestly take credit for the production on private and state lands, but he can take partial credit for decreasing production on federal lands.

Obama Claim: 2010 natural gas production reached its highest level in more than 30 years.

Reality: Yes natural gas production is up, but this is because of production on private and state lands because production on federal lands is decreasing. [4]

Obama Claim: The U.S. has become a net energy exporter.

Reality: This claim is 100 percent false. Because the Obama campaign does not provide a single citation or source for their information, it is impossible to know how great its ignorance of energy facts extends

Obama Claim: The Obama administration has proposed a five-year offshore drilling plan that makes more than 75 percent of undiscovered oil and gas resources off our shores available for development, while putting in place common-sense safety requirements to prevent a disaster like the BP oil spill from happening again.

Reality: When President Obama was inaugurated nearly 100 percent of the offshore areas were available for exploration and development. Since then, the Obama administration has imposed limitations and made it far more difficult to produce energy on offshore areas. For example, even though there is bipartisan support from the Virginia delegation, including the state's Democratic Senators, the Obama administration refuses to allow energy exploration off Virginia's coast.

Politicians taking credit for something good happening on their watch is nothing new, but as we have shown, the reduction in oil use is because of economic dislocation visited upon millions of American families by the longest sustained economic downturn since World War II, while the increase domestic production is occuring on state and private lands, while production on government lands over which he has control is going down. In this sense, the president's claims are simply breathtakingly in their apparent assumption that no one will bother to fact-check his numbers.

http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2012/01/20/fact-checking-president-obamas-claims-about-domestic-energy-production/


Oldtimer who has really bought into the cultist rhedoric? :?
 
Well Tam- they are drilling like crazy here- anyone that wants to work can have a good paying job- and August feeder cattle futures closed above a buck sixty today at $160.47 today....
But you just sit up their in Canuckland and whine...Maybe Bigmuddy needs to get you one of those jobs so you have something to do besides cry in your milk...
 
Oldtimer said:
Well Tam- they are drilling like crazy here- anyone that wants to work can have a good paying job- and August feeder cattle futures closed above a buck sixty today at $160.47 today....
But you just sit up their in Canuckland and whine...Maybe Bigmuddy needs to get you one of those jobs so you have something to do besides cry in your milk...

So how does that help someone who is unemployed feed his family
 
Oldtimer said:
US oil production last year rose to its highest level in almost a decade….

As a result, analysts believe the US was the largest contributor to the increase in global oil supplies last year over 2009, and is on track to increase domestic production by 25 per cent by the second half of the decade.


So now all you have to do to prove me wrong, is provide the dates that the permits were issued for that increased production.

While you are at it, why not provide the numbers for US domestic consumption over the past few years?

Where has any increased production happened in the last few years and which is responsible for issuing permits, state or Federal?

If state, how is obama responsible for increased production?


Here's a hint:

https://www.dmr.nd.gov/oilgas/rules/rulebook.pdf
 
Larrry said:
Oldtimer said:
Well Tam- they are drilling like crazy here- anyone that wants to work can have a good paying job- and August feeder cattle futures closed above a buck sixty today at $160.47 today....
But you just sit up their in Canuckland and whine...Maybe Bigmuddy needs to get you one of those jobs so you have something to do besides cry in your milk...

So how does that help someone who is unemployed feed his family

They are crying for help...Folks that want to work are coming from 2,000+ miles away- and then commuting back and forth to home every month or so...Some companies will even pay your airfare back and forth every 3 weeks or month...
And at $10,000 a month clear- you can afford for the family to eat steaks.. Even the $20 an hour carhops can eat pretty fair...
 
Oldtimer said:
Larrry said:
Oldtimer said:
Well Tam- they are drilling like crazy here- anyone that wants to work can have a good paying job- and August feeder cattle futures closed above a buck sixty today at $160.47 today....
But you just sit up their in Canuckland and whine...Maybe Bigmuddy needs to get you one of those jobs so you have something to do besides cry in your milk...

So how does that help someone who is unemployed feed his family

They are crying for help...Folks that want to work are coming from 2,000+ miles away- and then commuting back and forth to home every month or so...Some companies will even pay your airfare back and forth every 3 weeks or month...
And at $10,000 a month clear- you can afford for the family to eat steaks.. Even the $20 an hour carhops can eat pretty fair...

You are living in la la land if you think a few jobs in MT will solve the economy woes. Don't even try to imply that.
 
Oldtimer said:
Larrry said:
Oldtimer said:
Well Tam- they are drilling like crazy here- anyone that wants to work can have a good paying job- and August feeder cattle futures closed above a buck sixty today at $160.47 today....
But you just sit up their in Canuckland and whine...Maybe Bigmuddy needs to get you one of those jobs so you have something to do besides cry in your milk...

So how does that help someone who is unemployed feed his family

They are crying for help...Folks that want to work are coming from 2,000+ miles away- and then commuting back and forth to home every month or so...Some companies will even pay your airfare back and forth every 3 weeks or month...
And at $10,000 a month clear- you can afford for the family to eat steaks.. Even the $20 an hour carhops can eat pretty fair...


Yet Montana's unemployment is still higher than Alberta's and we are no longer booming

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7,000 JOBS IN AN ENTIRE YEAR IS A BOOM? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Montana Jobless Rate Holds Even
Posted: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:00 am

By SHELLEY RIDENOUR/The Daily Inter Lake


Flathead County's unemployment rate held steady in December, at 10.6 percent, the same percentage reported in November.

It was a slight improvement from October's 10.9 percent rate, according to data from the Montana Department of Labor and Industry.

The lowest rate of 2011 came in September — 9.9 percent. That was the only month of last year with a rate in the single digits. The highest rate recorded in 2011 came in January, 14.1 percent.

In December 2010, Flathead County's unemployment rate stood at 12.1 percent

The 10.9 percent translates to 4,495 unemployed workers out of the county's work force of 42,536.

Flathead had the sixth highest rate of unemployment of Montana's 56 counties last month. Leading the list was Lincoln County at 15.5 percent, followed by Sanders County at 15.2 percent, Big Horn County at 13.9 percent and Mineral County at 12.5 percent.

At the other end of the list, the lowest rate of unemployment was recorded in Fallon County, 2 percent. Other counties with low unemployment were Richland, 2.3 percent; Carter and Dawson at 3.1 percent; and Sweet Grass and Treasure at 3.2 percent.

All county figures are non-seasonally adjusted rates.

Statewide, the non-seasonally adjusted unemployment rate was 6.7 percent. The nationwide non-adjusted December unemployment rate was 8.3 percent, while the adjusted national rate was 8.5 percent.

The state's adjusted December rate was 6.8 percent, reflecting a full percentage drop since August.

Seasonally adjusted numbers remove the effects of events that follow a more or less regular month-to-month pattern each year.

"Montana's unemployment growth has gained momentum in the last half of 2011, posting large job gains and a sizable drop in the unemployment rate," state Labor Commissioner Keith Kelly said in a press release. He attributed the improvement in part to the strong agricultural economy and oil activity in Eastern Montana.

Last month, about 1,660 jobs were added statewide, Kelly said. In all of 2011, the state added about 7,000 new jobs.
 
I don't believe that Romney won Florida. It IS Florida, you know. There is no possible way they could have counted all the "hanging chads" yet. :lol:
 
56 JOBS IN GLASGOW IS A BOOM? :lol:

https://jobs.mt.gov/jobs/seeker/search/search.seek?offices=1000000013&locationType=office&actionButton=Search&keywords=&sortOrder=date&jobOrderDays=&d-4008387-p=1&regions=1000000004&wageType=H&availability=any&shift=any&onetType=all&wage=

I see where the entire State of Montana gained 7,000 jobs for the entire year of 2011!!!!!!!!!!!! Booming, huh? :lol:
 
Oldtimer said:
Well Tam- they are drilling like crazy here- anyone that wants to work can have a good paying job- and August feeder cattle futures closed above a buck sixty today at $160.47 today....
But you just sit up their in Canuckland and whine...Maybe Bigmuddy needs to get you one of those jobs so you have something to do besides cry in your milk...



And there you have it folks Oldtimer has run out of ways to defend Obama's NON- accomplishments so he is tossing out his usual distract and run tactic. I thinking he must still be feeling the sting of my google searching as he tossed everything but the kitchen sink at me in this personal attack. :wink: :lol: :lol:

Everyone that wants a job has one
Cattle prices are great
Canada is refered to as Canuckland
And just so I know Oldtimer is the milk I'm supposedly crying into coming from a US cow teat?
BTW you forgot to add to your little rant, I'm using US coat tails to wipe my eyes and blow my nose. :cry:


Oh I did another google search, Oldtimer is pathetic and I got About 9,440,000 results (0.19 seconds) :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Flathead had the sixth highest rate of unemployment of Montana's 56 counties last month. Leading the list was Lincoln County at 15.5 percent, followed by Sanders County at 15.2 percent, Big Horn County at 13.9 percent and Mineral County at 12.5 percent.

At the other end of the list, the lowest rate of unemployment was recorded in Fallon County, 2 percent. Other counties with low unemployment were Richland, 2.3 percent; Carter and Dawson at 3.1 percent; and Sweet Grass and Treasure at 3.2 percent.

Lincoln, Sanders, Mineral County are part of that radical right area of western mountains of MT-- where they all are wannabe mountain men- and live in a cabin- and don't want to work...(Good conservative ethics-eh :wink: ) Big Horn county is a reservation county where no matter how many jobs- the unemployment rate never goes down..

Fallon, Richland, Carter, Dawson, Sweet Grass and Treasure are all prairie counties (and closer to the oil activity)... They just reopened the mines over by Sweet Grass county...

7000 jobs is a lot of jobs in a state that may finally have reached a million people this year...We still are and I hope will remain a state of cows, jackrabbits and antelope- our counties population density is less than 1 person per square mile....
But the biggest amount of jobs is still just across the line in ND...

North Dakota oil boom fuels real estate sales in Arizona


By Matthew Staver, Bloomberg News
By Matthew Staver, Bloomberg News
Oil production has spurred construction in Williston, N.D., above, but many residents are finding more for the money in Arizona.
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"It boils down to the weather and taking advantage of the market," says real estate agent Rocky Parra of HomeSmart Realty in Gilbert, Ariz., a Phoenix suburb.

He and wife Beverly, a native of Minot, N.D., have sold eight homes to North Dakotans in recent months. Parra is heading to North Dakota this month to meet with possible buyers.

"A lot of people have struck it rich," he says. "Oil companies are coming in and buying businesses and land. They're selling up there at the peak and buying down here at the bottom."

Some want second homes. Others move outright.

Blaine Bjella, 41, still owns three auto body and truck accessories businesses in his native Williston, N.D., the hub of the state's oil bonanza, which has pushed the state's unemployment rate to the lowest level in the nation (3.4%).

When an oil company made him an offer for the 6 acres that his log home sat on, he couldn't refuse. He moved his wife and three sons to a lake cabin he owns while they looked for a new house.

High demand is causing a shortage of real estate in western North Dakota. That inspired Bjella to look south, where his father-in-law lives.

"I saw what you could get for the dollar, and we bought a house here in Mesa," Bjella says.

The Bjellas found their dream home on an Arizona mountaintop: a new 8,000-square-foot estate in the Usery Mountains with pool and guest house on 1 acre with a panoramic view of Phoenix, Mesa and Scottsdale. The mansion was on sale for $5 million at the peak of the market, but Bjella bought it earlier this year for $2.1 million cash and moved his family.

"They really love it," he says on a recent December day when temperatures hovered near 60 degrees (barely 30 in Williston). "And it was an investment for me. … It was a very, very good deal."

Bjella goes back to North Dakota for a week each month to oversee his businesses, and he has bought 10 acres outside Williston to consolidate his shops on one site. He knows of more than 50 North Dakotans who are buying homes in the Phoenix area, where median housing prices (half are more and half are less) have fallen almost 55% since their peak of $264,100 in June 2006, according to DataQuick.

Not everyone is paying millions, Parra says. He has sold everything from homes costing about $200,000 to multimillion-dollar estates in gated communities.

The weather and bargain prices are drawing many more North Dakotans now because small towns are overrun with oilfield workers sleeping in cars, motels or "man camps," compounds of modular, temporary housing for predominantly male oil workers.

"The oil boom has changed the way of life," says Mark Schill, an economic development consultant with Praxis Strategy Group in Grand Forks, N.D. "The region has become fairly congested, with 15 to 20 oil trucks backed up (on roads)."

Williston grew 15% over the past decade, a big jump for a town that still has fewer than 15,000 residents.

"Williston is overrun," Bjella says. "The traffic … it's tough to get around."

Several folks from up here buying up homes in the Yuma area...Million dollar+ places they can get for a couple hundred thousand $..
But as I and a fellow that just came back from looking over the area agreed on- too dam many people.... I'll be here til I die...
 
hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
US oil production last year rose to its highest level in almost a decade….

As a result, analysts believe the US was the largest contributor to the increase in global oil supplies last year over 2009, and is on track to increase domestic production by 25 per cent by the second half of the decade.


So now all you have to do to prove me wrong, is provide the dates that the permits were issued for that increased production.

While you are at it, why not provide the numbers for US domestic consumption over the past few years?

Where has any increased production happened in the last few years and which is responsible for issuing permits, state or Federal?

If state, how is obama responsible for increased production?


Here's a hint:

https://www.dmr.nd.gov/oilgas/rules/rulebook.pdf


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Oldtimer said:
But the biggest amount of jobs is still just across the line in ND...


So obama is favoring ND, with his issuing of permits?

the increase in production might have something to with the individual states, more so than the Feds, eh?
 
hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
US oil production last year rose to its highest level in almost a decade….

As a result, analysts believe the US was the largest contributor to the increase in global oil supplies last year over 2009, and is on track to increase domestic production by 25 per cent by the second half of the decade.


So now all you have to do to prove me wrong, is provide the dates that the permits were issued for that increased production.

While you are at it, why not provide the numbers for US domestic consumption over the past few years?

Where has any increased production happened in the last few years and which is responsible for issuing permits, state or Federal?

If state, how is obama responsible for increased production?


Here's a hint:

https://www.dmr.nd.gov/oilgas/rules/rulebook.pdf


OT why does obama hate Montana so much?

Why is he not issuing as many drilling permits for Montana as he is in ND? :???:
 
hypocritexposer said:
hypocritexposer said:


So now all you have to do to prove me wrong, is provide the dates that the permits were issued for that increased production.

While you are at it, why not provide the numbers for US domestic consumption over the past few years?

Where has any increased production happened in the last few years and which is responsible for issuing permits, state or Federal?

If state, how is obama responsible for increased production?


Here's a hint:

https://www.dmr.nd.gov/oilgas/rules/rulebook.pdf


OT why does obama hate Montana so much?

Why is he not issuing as many drilling permits for Montana as he is in ND? :???:

Hypocrit- there are well sites already permitted that won't be able to get rigs to for 5-7 years....My neighbor works for a company running power lines into well sites- and they have 7 years lined up to run power to in just eastern MT- mostly Sidney area...

I think I read they plan to have one well every 640 acres....

The State just put out a lot of state land for leasing (which upset some locals because they thought the cheaper rates the state was asking would cheapen the leases the companies would offer folks for deeded land)..

There is land allover up here leased up by the oil companies.. Just not enough rigs or support infrastructure to do anymore....
 
Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
hypocritexposer said:
So now all you have to do to prove me wrong, is provide the dates that the permits were issued for that increased production.

While you are at it, why not provide the numbers for US domestic consumption over the past few years?

Where has any increased production happened in the last few years and which is responsible for issuing permits, state or Federal?

If state, how is obama responsible for increased production?


Here's a hint:

https://www.dmr.nd.gov/oilgas/rules/rulebook.pdf


OT why does obama hate Montana so much?

Why is he not issuing as many drilling permits for Montana as he is in ND? :???:

Hypocrit- there are well sites already permitted that won't be able to get rigs to for 5-7 years....My neighbor works for a company running power lines into well sites- and they have 7 years lined up to run power to in just eastern MT- mostly Sidney area...

I think I read they plan to have one well every 640 acres....

The State just put out a lot of state land for leasing (which upset some locals because they thought the cheaper rates the state was asking would cheapen the leases the companies would offer folks for deeded land)..

There is land allover up here leased up by the oil companies.. Just not enough rigs or support infrastructure to do anymore....

And how does Obama deserve credit for the STATE putting out land for lease? :?

And if there is a 7 year waiting list for rigs could the boom we are witnessing now be from permits issued say 4 years ago PRE- OBAMA IE under BUSH?
 
Just not enough rigs or support infrastructure to do anymore....

don't worry we have 42750 tech workers getting re-educated right now.. the train will drop them off in late December, as per comrade obamas' brilliant plan..

really with sarcasm aside..

if the president cared he would be putting a national effort into building rigs and infrastructure wouldn't he?
 
Steve said:
Just not enough rigs or support infrastructure to do anymore....

don't worry we have 42750 tech workers getting re-educated right now.. the train will drop them off in late December, as per comrade obamas' brilliant plan..

really with sarcasm aside..

if the president cared he would be putting a national effort into building rigs and infrastructure wouldn't he?

Maybe he could have even used some stimulus funds, instead of sending money to Africa to show men how to wash their foreskins :???:
 

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