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Runaway Rahm

Lonecowboy

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The first question isn't: Can Rahm win? It's: Can Rahm run?

Sunday, Rahm Emanuel announced in a video posted on a website that he is preparing to run for mayor of Chicago. But two of Chicago's top election lawyers say the state's municipal code is crystal clear that a candidate for mayor must reside in the town for a year before the election.
That doesn't mean they must simply own a home in the city that they rent out to someone else.
They must have a place they can walk into, keep a toothbrush, hang up their jacket and occasionally sleep, the lawyers say.

Another three election lawyers say Emanuel could be thrown off the ballot on a residency challenge. None says Emanuel will have it easy.

Today, Emanuel launches his "listening tour" of Chicago neighborhoods -- taking his message and open ears, he says, to Chicago's "grocery stores, L stops, bowling alleys and hot dog stands."

Though he was widely expected to run, Sunday's video was his first statement of his intentions since Mayor Daley announced he would not seek another term. Friday, Emanuel left Washington and his job as White House chief of staff.

Ironically, President Obama would have no problem coming back to Chicago to run for mayor because he never rented out his home and has come back to stay there on rare occasions.

"He has a physical location that he owns and has exclusive right to live in," said attorney Jim Nally.

But Emanuel's problem as he prepares to run for mayor is that he rented out his house, and the tenant refuses to back out of the lease.

"The guy does not meet the statutory requirements to run for mayor," said attorney Burt Odelson. "He hasn't been back there in 18 months. Residency cases are usually very hard to prove because the candidate gets an apartment or says he's living in his mother's basement. Here the facts are easy to prove. He doesn't dispute he's been in Washington for the past 18 months. This is not a hard case."

I guess OT in his search for corruption and hypocrites missed this one.
 

Tam

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The Unemployment rate just took a jump. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Rahm is out of the White House and Can't legally run for Mayor. You would think the man running the White House would have been smart enough to check the rules out before giving up his White House gig. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Tam said:
The Unemployment rate just took a jump. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Rahm is out of the White House and Can't legally run for Mayor. You would think the man running the White House would have been smart enough to check the rules out before giving up his White House gig. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You want to bet Tam?-- over the years the courts have ruled time after time- for both R's and D's that if they were serving in the military, or federal employment, or a federal elected official--as long as they had had- and still maintained a residency (no matter if they lived in it or not)- they were still considered residents for election purposes.....Just another Karl Rove/Rush Limbaugh "swiftboating" smokescreen.....

Which sounds only right if a US born citizen can leave the country for 30+ years- and live in and establish new residence/name in Canada with her sugar daddy- and still keep US voting rights, US citizenship- and still be allowed to be a Canadian citizen, have all the Socialist rights/rewards of Canada and vote in Canada as you contend you do..... Don't you think so Tam :???: :???: :wink:

I'm curious-- Tam- will you get to vote for your ********* Champion Rehberg- altho you haven't lived in the state for many years ? When I was at the courthouse today to get my new concealed carry and retired officer card, I was going to ask--but the Clerk and Recorder was out...
 

Tam

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You really do have a problem with me voting don't you Oldtimer. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Maybe you should take it up with the Dems running Montana, as if it wasn't for the Dems advertizing that US citizens living aboard have the right to vote I might not have checked it out. But don't forget to give yourself and your former R-CALF buddy a little credit too, as if it wasn't for the idea of pizzing you off and voting against him I might not have went down to register. :wink:

BTW did you read what the lawyers said
That doesn't mean they must simply own a home in the city that they rent out to someone else. They must have a place they can walk into, keep a toothbrush, hang up their jacket and occasionally sleep, the lawyers say
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Rahn gave up his home when he LEASED IT OUT and he HASN"T BEEN BACK IN 18 MONTHS And the Leasee has refused to give up the lease. RAHM has No residence that he can keep a tooth brush in Oldtimer which means Rahm is not maintaining a home and can not run to be Mayor. If the courts are involved and the rules are rewritten to get him in then I think the other candidates should appeal until the election is over.
 
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Tam said:
You really do have a problem with me voting don't you Oldtimer. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I have no problem with you voting... I just think that you should not be allowed to vote in 2 countries at the same time... Immigrants to the US have to renounce their citizenship-- and swear a loyalty to the US before they can become US citizens and vote in the US-- so I don't see why it should be any different for someone that migrates from and gives up their residence in this country to become a citizen of/and take on the loyalties of a foreign country (like Canada)... :(

And the Canadian citizens down here- that have married US citizens- and lived here longer than you- and put much more into the US community than you over the past 25 years- but that have not yet became US citizens- are not eligible to vote in US elections.. :(

Looks like something the Tea Party folks should take up...... :wink:

And you are the one complaining about Rahms residence and eligibility while he was in D.C. serving in government service :???: OY VEY !!!!! :wink: :p :lol:

I suppose next you will tell us that my SIL who spent 18 months in Iraq shouldn't be allowed to run for office or vote in Montana/USA....Or the FBI Agent I know that has spent 2 years in Europe/mid east working terrorism investigations.... Both working as government employees :???:
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
You really do have a problem with me voting don't you Oldtimer. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I have no problem with you voting... I just think that you should not be allowed to vote in 2 countries at the same time... Immigrants to the US have to renounce their citizenship-- and swear a loyalty to the US before they can become US citizens and vote in the US-- so I don't see why it should be any different for someone that migrates from and gives up their residence in this country to become a citizen of/and take on the loyalties of a foreign country (like Canada)... :(

And the Canadian citizens down here- that have married US citizens- and lived here longer than you- and put much more into the US community than you over the past 25 years- but that have not yet became US citizens- are not eligible to vote in US elections.. :(

Looks like something the Tea Party folks should take up...... :wink:

And you are the one complaining about Rahms residence and eligibility while he was in D.C. serving in government service :???: OY VEY !!!!! :wink: :p :lol:

I suppose next you will tell us that my SIL who spent 18 months in Iraq shouldn't be allowed to run for office or vote in Montana/USA....Or the FBI Agent I know that has spent 2 years in Europe/mid east working terrorism investigations.... Both working as government employees :???:



Interesting that you don't have a problem with dual citizens/loyalties when it comes to being President, but you have a problem with them voting.
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
You really do have a problem with me voting don't you Oldtimer. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I have no problem with you voting... I just think that you should not be allowed to vote in 2 countries at the same time... Immigrants to the US have to renounce their citizenship-- and swear a loyalty to the US before they can become US citizens and vote in the US-- so I don't see why it should be any different for someone that migrates from and gives up their residence in this country to become a citizen of/and take on the loyalties of a foreign country (like Canada)... :( And the Canadian citizens down here- that have married US citizens- and lived here longer than you- and put much more into the US community than you over the past 25 years- but that have not yet became US citizens- are not eligible to vote in US elections.. :( Looks like something the Tea Party folks should take up...... :wink: And you are the one complaining about Rahms residence and eligibility while he was in D.C. serving in government service :???: OY VEY !!!!! :wink: :p :lol: I suppose next you will tell us that my SIL who spent 18 months in Iraq shouldn't be allowed to run for office or vote inMontana/USA....Or the FBI Agent I know that has spent 2 years in Europe/mid east working terrorism investigations.... Both working as government employees :???:
Interesting that you don't have a problem with dual citizens/loyalties when it comes to being President, but you have a problem with them voting.

I know of no President (Besides the intitial 3-4-5 Presidents) we have or had that have ever sworn citizenship to any other country... Besides the intitial 3-4-5 Presidents have we ever had one that lived outside the US (except attending school like Clinton) after the age of 18- which is recognized by most countries as the age of determination....?
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
You really do have a problem with me voting don't you Oldtimer. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I have no problem with you voting... I just think that you should not be allowed to vote in 2 countries at the same time... Immigrants to the US have to renounce their citizenship-- and swear a loyalty to the US before they can become US citizens and vote in the US-- so I don't see why it should be any different for someone that migrates from and gives up their residence in this country to become a citizen of/and take on the loyalties of a foreign country (like Canada)... :(

And the Canadian citizens down here- that have married US citizens- and lived here longer than you- and put much more into the US community than you over the past 25 years- but that have not yet became US citizens- are not eligible to vote in US elections.. :(

Looks like something the Tea Party folks should take up...... :wink:

And you are the one complaining about Rahms residence and eligibility while he was in D.C. serving in government service :???: OY VEY !!!!! :wink: :p :lol:

I suppose next you will tell us that my SIL who spent 18 months in Iraq shouldn't be allowed to run for office or vote in Montana/USA....Or the FBI Agent I know that has spent 2 years in Europe/mid east working terrorism investigations.... Both working as government employees :???:

I love it you say you have no problem then you go into a rant about I shouldn't be allowed to vote. :lol: :lol: :lol: You are being as transparent as Obama promised he would be. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And the Tea Party is all about getting back to the Constitution and the US CONSTITUTION assures me the right to vote. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: sucks to be you Oldtimer :p :lol: :lol:

And I'm not complaining about where Rahm lives I'm pointing it out that he doesn't live in the City he wants to be the Mayor of and by their own laws he is NOT QUALIFIED to run. SO no, not complaining :wink: just LAUGHING at him like I do you so often. :lol: :lol:

Not sure does Montana have a residency rule like Chicago? :? and if they do does your SIL or FBI friend maintain a resident where they can keep a tooth brush and spend a night. Rules are rules Oldtimer and Rahm according to Chicago rules doesn't qualify. If you don't like it take your beef up with Chicago, I'm sure Rahm would love to have a blowhard ex- Barney Fife drunk from Montana supporting his run to control the most corrupt city in the US. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Tam I still say- wanta bet? From CBS:
"If you are a registered voter and continueto vote from your residence, you establish what we consider the intentto be aresident of the city of Chicago," Chicago Election Board Chairman Langdon Neal said
. From the AP:
Dawn Clark Netsch, a law professor and constitutional scholar who helped write the Illinois Constitution, said called residency "a matter of intent." "If you registerto vote and vote that's a pretty good sign of intent and therefore residency," Netsch said.
And from the self-same Sun-Times article:
"It's the sense of the election board that if you keep ownership of the property, keep your registration there, you've voted absentee, as far as we know he hasn't registered anywhere else, it's just like members of the military who serve overseas in Iraq -- we don't deny them the rightto vote; people who take corporate assignments overseas, and lease out their home as a fact of life, it doesn't mean they've left permanently," Chicago Board of Elections spokesman Jim Allen said.
Rahm never sold his Chicago home and continuedto vote from here, establishing his intent in a way that seemsto satisfy electoral scholars and Board of Elections members. So why has the residencyquestion gained so much attention? It could just be the machinations of a lawyer aligned with his opponents. Or it could be the frenzy of a media obsessed withRahm's every move. But apart from all that, the issue may have stuck around because ittouches on the real problem withRahm's candidacy. The biggest hurdle he'll haveto overcome in his bid for Chicago mayor won't be provingto a judge that he's technically aresident. It'll be provingto the people that he actually is -- showing Chicagoans that his years in D.C. haven't put him out oftouch with the very particular and very serious concerns of this city.
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Tam I still say- wanta bet? From CBS:
"If you are a registered voter and continueto vote from your residence, you establish what we consider the intentto be aresident of the city of Chicago," Chicago Election Board Chairman Langdon Neal said
. From the AP:
Dawn Clark Netsch, a law professor and constitutional scholar who helped write the Illinois Constitution, said called residency "a matter of intent." "If you registerto vote and vote that's a pretty good sign of intent and therefore residency," Netsch said.
And from the self-same Sun-Times article:
"It's the sense of the election board that if you keep ownership of the property, keep your registration there, you've voted absentee, as far as we know he hasn't registered anywhere else, it's just like members of the military who serve overseas in Iraq -- we don't deny them the rightto vote; people who take corporate assignments overseas, and lease out their home as a fact of life, it doesn't mean they've left permanently," Chicago Board of Elections spokesman Jim Allen said.
Rahm never sold his Chicago home and continuedto vote from here, establishing his intent in a way that seemsto satisfy electoral scholars and Board of Elections members. So why has the residencyquestion gained so much attention? It could just be the machinations of a lawyer aligned with his opponents. Or it could be the frenzy of a media obsessed withRahm's every move. But apart from all that, the issue may have stuck around because ittouches on the real problem withRahm's candidacy. The biggest hurdle he'll haveto overcome in his bid for Chicago mayor won't be provingto a judge that he's technically aresident. It'll be provingto the people that he actually is -- showing Chicagoans that his years in D.C. haven't put him out oftouch with the very particular and very serious concerns of this city.

Since you never quoted the last part I take it they are your words Oldtimer

Rahm Emanuel’s Chicago Mayor Bid Could Be Challenged Over Residency
Ever since Chicago Mayor Richard Daley announced he wouldn’t run for re-election, all eyes have been on Rahm Emanuel. And while the question of “will he run?” has finally been answered, one question still remains open: Can he?A headline in Monday’s Chicago Sun-Times would certainly make you wonder. “Experts say Rahm Emanuel not a legal resident of city,” exclaims the title of Abdon Pallasch’s story. Mayoral candidates have to be residents of Chicago for at least a year before the election date. If the experts are right, Rahm wouldn’t be eligible for the seat he’s left the White House to seek.But inquisitive minds might wonder: who exactly are these experts?In fact, on reading the story, there’s only one person who claims unequivocally that Emanuel isn’t a legal resident, namely Burt Odelson. Odelson has been making the case against Rahm on many Chicago media outlets, and has garnered some national attention in so doing.An impartial observer, though, he may not be. A Chicago attorney who specializes in election law, Odelson worked for George W. Bush during the Florida recount. More recently, as the Sun-Times dutifully points out, he’s worked on gathering petition signatures for Sheriff Tom Dart and State Senator James Meeks, two likely opponents of Rahm’s in the mayoral race.Many less-partisan experts tell a different story.From CBS:


“If you are a registered voter and continue to vote from your residence, you establish what we consider the intent to be a resident of the city of Chicago,” Chicago Election Board Chairman Langdon Neal said.

From the AP:


Dawn Clark Netsch, a law professor and constitutional scholar who helped write the Illinois Constitution, said called residency “a matter of intent.”
“If you register to vote and vote that’s a pretty good sign of intent and therefore residency,” Netsch said.

And from the self-same Sun-Times article:


“It’s the sense of the election board that if you keep ownership of the property, keep your registration there, you’ve voted absentee, as far as we know he hasn’t registered anywhere else, it’s just like members of the military who serve overseas in Iraq — we don’t deny them the right to vote; people who take corporate assignments overseas, and lease out their home as a fact of life, it doesn’t mean they’ve left permanently,” Chicago Board of Elections spokesman Jim Allen said.

Rahm never sold his Chicago home and continued to vote from here, establishing his intent in a way that seems to satisfy electoral scholars and Board of Elections members.So why has the residency question gained so much attention? It could just be the machinations of a lawyer aligned with his opponents. Or it could be the frenzy of a media obsessed with Rahm’s every move. But apart from all that, the issue may have stuck around because it touches on the real problem with Rahm’s candidacy.The biggest hurdle he’ll have to overcome in his bid for Chicago mayor won’t be proving to a judge that he’s technically a resident. It’ll be proving to the people that he actually is — showing Chicagoans that his years in D.C. haven’t put him out of touch with the very particular and very serious concerns of this city.Still, this is Chicago. Expect an objection (from Odelson, possibly) as soon as Rahm’s papers hit the Board of Elections’ desk.

Read More…
[Source: Politics on HuffingtonPost.com]

HUFFINGTON POST Oldtimer, the Dems own propoganda website. :wink: :roll:
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
I have no problem with you voting... I just think that you should not be allowed to vote in 2 countries at the same time... Immigrants to the US have to renounce their citizenship-- and swear a loyalty to the US before they can become US citizens and vote in the US-- so I don't see why it should be any different for someone that migrates from and gives up their residence in this country to become a citizen of/and take on the loyalties of a foreign country (like Canada)... :( And the Canadian citizens down here- that have married US citizens- and lived here longer than you- and put much more into the US community than you over the past 25 years- but that have not yet became US citizens- are not eligible to vote in US elections.. :( Looks like something the Tea Party folks should take up...... :wink: And you are the one complaining about Rahms residence and eligibility while he was in D.C. serving in government service :???: OY VEY !!!!! :wink: :p :lol: I suppose next you will tell us that my SIL who spent 18 months in Iraq shouldn't be allowed to run for office or vote inMontana/USA....Or the FBI Agent I know that has spent 2 years in Europe/mid east working terrorism investigations.... Both working as government employees :???:
Interesting that you don't have a problem with dual citizens/loyalties when it comes to being President, but you have a problem with them voting.

I know of no President (Besides the intitial 3-4-5 Presidents) we have or had that have ever sworn citizenship to any other country... Besides the intitial 3-4-5 Presidents have we ever had one that lived outside the US (except attending school like Clinton) after the age of 18- which is recognized by most countries as the age of determination....?


obama has had dual loyalties since birth, nobody can take that away from him. So unless he renounces one, he should be able to vote in both Countries, should he not?

Wasn't it you OT, that said you cannot take birthright citizenship from someone?

Pretty weird having a President that has divided loyalties, isn't it?

It's almost as bad as having Tam vote in both Countries. :lol: :lol:
 
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