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Rush's Excuse for the Repubs!!

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Anonymous

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when you're a Republican and your president is a Republican, you have to go along with it. If you break from him, then you got party disunity and so forth."

:roll: :roll:

President George W. Bush was the largest social spender in history, according to a recent report by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. In his first term Bush increased discretionary spending 19 percent. During Bush's second term federal spending increased 49 percent.


The Mercatus Center said Bush's spending made President Bill Clinton's administration look conservative.


The Center noted: "Adjusted for inflation, in eight years, President Clinton increased the federal budget by 11 percent. In eight years, President Bush increased it by a whopping 104 percent."



http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/beck_limbaugh_bush/2009/05/25/217943.html
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
when you're a Republican and your president is a Republican, you have to go along with it. If you break from him, then you got party disunity and so forth."

:roll: :roll:

President George W. Bush was the largest social spender in history, according to a recent report by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. In his first term Bush increased discretionary spending 19 percent. During Bush's second term federal spending increased 49 percent.


The Mercatus Center said Bush's spending made President Bill Clinton's administration look conservative.


The Center noted: "Adjusted for inflation, in eight years, President Clinton increased the federal budget by 11 percent. In eight years, President Bush increased it by a whopping 104 percent."



http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/beck_limbaugh_bush/2009/05/25/217943.html

How much as Obama spent/day compared to Bush?
 
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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
when you're a Republican and your president is a Republican, you have to go along with it. If you break from him, then you got party disunity and so forth."

:roll: :roll:

President George W. Bush was the largest social spender in history, according to a recent report by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. In his first term Bush increased discretionary spending 19 percent. During Bush's second term federal spending increased 49 percent.


The Mercatus Center said Bush's spending made President Bill Clinton's administration look conservative.


The Center noted: "Adjusted for inflation, in eight years, President Clinton increased the federal budget by 11 percent. In eight years, President Bush increased it by a whopping 104 percent."



http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/beck_limbaugh_bush/2009/05/25/217943.html

How much as Obama spent/day compared to Bush?

Obama never claimed to be part of the "fiscal conservative" :roll: party....

This is probably the most honest thing I've seen Rush say-- "our cult leader says jump off the cliff- so we all have to help him jump off the cliff"...

Sounds like all the Bushies on this site that backslapped him while he brought on the Bush Bust :(
 

Sandhusker

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Obama was bashing Bush's deficit spending. When you campaign against a certain policy, I would think an honest man wouldn't continue it times 10, but then again, Obama does have serious honesty issues....

So, how much has Obama spent/day compared to Bush? Hell, how much has he spent/day compared to the sum total of ALL of the previous presidents? (Bear in mind that the number that I'm looking for is the amount he spent BEFORE giving a speech on our unsustainable debt... :roll: )
 
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There wasn't much difference from your Party's Chosen Champion last year and Bush...He backed Bush 95% of the time.....And was another neocon spender--Backed big business to a T and was sold out to their lobbyiests- and deregulation (remember he wanted Foreclosure Phil for his Treasury Secretary)- wide open free trader- that wanted amnesty for the illegals...
All plans that were abysmal failures for Bush...

So since both were big spenders- I had to decide on the issues that directly concerned me most..And I decided I'd rather have $Zillions spent rebuilding America, and fixing some of the problems facing Americans than spending it nationbuilding so Halliburton could play in a sandpit (100 years of war-- Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran theme song)....

One of those issues was putting some integrity back into the regulation of the Corporate Conglomerates that dominated D.C. for 8 years- and some integrity back into our regulatory agencies....

And so far I haven't been that disappointed- but time will tell...Sandhusker--I'm sure you saw this:
Gives a guy hopes integrity can be returned to the industry oversight....Definitely be a "change" if we had someone that cared for the producers- and didn't automatically allow the Tyson/Swifts/JBS/AMI make up their own rules....

Now factor in a new head cattle market cop who is an activist trial lawyer with a practice devoted largely to agricultural contracts. Fowl contracts, to be specific.

Because that’s exactly what the resume of J. Dudley Butler, the new head of the Grain Inspection, Packers and Stockyards Administration indicates he is. He was, recalls Fred Stokes, former president and current executive vice president of the Organization for Competitive Markets, among those at the OCM’s first meeting back in 1997.

In fact, Stokes and others credit Butler with a key role in getting Congress to do away with involuntary arbitration contracts in the poultry industry. Disgruntled growers had long complained about those contracts, arguing “integrators” use them to protect themselves from jury trials when the abuse the growers. (Trial lawyers didn’t like that “no trial” stuff much, either.)

This is going to be interesting. Butler is not a guy who, by reputation at least, seems to have little patience with mainstream agricultural business practices. Before his company Web site was taken down, his list of “agricultural links” included neither the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association nor the American Farm Bureau. OCM was there. As was R-CALF and a host of “sustainable” and “family” farm organizations.

It’s been years since most us paid much attention to GIPSA. The agency mostly tells rogue cattle buyers and broke auctions they must close barn doors after horses are out. And promise not to leave the doors open again.

It’s been years since the agency policy had much impact on the way we do business.

But overlay Mr. Butler’s politics onto the personality of a trial lawyer, and there may be reason Mr. Butler’s colleagues on the left side are so enthusiastic about his new job.

Randy Stevenson, current president and another founding member of OCM,says he expects to see Butler bring the “interests of producers” back into the picture. Stevenson says the Bushies at GIPSA were just there to protect packers from the Packers and Stockyards law.

He says it will take time for Butler to swing GIPSA’s bow, but he says Butler has the instincts to do it. Just how much change he can bring is Stevenson’s question.

Jess Peterson, executive vice president of the U.S. Cattlemen’s Association (another outfit not on the Butler Law Firm list of links) says he worked with Butler on several legislative efforts and says, “He is certainly on the side of the producer.”

Peterson predicts “a much more aggressive” approach to the P&S law in the years ahead.
 

VanC

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Sandhusker said:
My party's chosen champion? Who was that?

I believe he's talking about McCain. Of course, Limbaugh didn't support McCain, which makes Limbaugh and OT two peas in a pod. :lol:

Of course, now that the election is over, the White House, the media, and their lackeys on blogs and political forums have decided that Limbaugh, Palin, Rove, and Cheney are now the leaders of the Republican Party, because they see them as the most divisive. Rank and file Republicans have no say in the matter.
 

Sandhusker

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VanC said:
Sandhusker said:
My party's chosen champion? Who was that?

I believe he's talking about McCain. Of course, Limbaugh didn't support McCain, which makes Limbaugh and OT two peas in a pod. :lol:

Of course, now that the election is over, the White House, the media, and their lackeys on blogs and political forums have decided that Limbaugh, Palin, Rove, and Cheney are now the leaders of the Republican Party, because they see them as the most divisive. Rank and file Republicans have no say in the matter.

He does't realize that I'm a registered Independent - my "party" has no champion. I'm not beholding to any politician and I won't provide a blanket defense for anyone.

When I read the "integrity" part, I about puiked..... :lol:
 
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Sandhusker said:
VanC said:
Sandhusker said:
My party's chosen champion? Who was that?

I believe he's talking about McCain. Of course, Limbaugh didn't support McCain, which makes Limbaugh and OT two peas in a pod. :lol:

Of course, now that the election is over, the White House, the media, and their lackeys on blogs and political forums have decided that Limbaugh, Palin, Rove, and Cheney are now the leaders of the Republican Party, because they see them as the most divisive. Rank and file Republicans have no say in the matter.

He does't realize that I'm a registered Independent - my "party" has no champion. I'm not beholding to any politician and I won't provide a blanket defense for anyone.

When I read the "integrity" part, I about puiked..... :lol:

Looks to me like many cattle producers have much more faith in Obamas boys- than they did in the Packer bought out Bushites.... :wink:
 

Sandhusker

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Like things were any better during the Clinton years? It's the same people in the same positions getting "donations" from the same people.
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
Gives a guy hopes integrity can be returned to the industry oversight....Definitely be a "change" if we had someone that cared for the producers- and didn't automatically allow the Tyson/Swifts/JBS/AMI make up their own rules....
This is the first I've ever heard of J. Dudley Butler. Sounds like he might do some good things for GIPSA. I'd be interested to hear Econ's perspective on him - I'm sure he's familiar with him.

Checking him out with a google search, he seems to be in the cattle business, as well as being a trial lawyer:

Law Firm
http://www.manta.com/company/mm0lj3n

Butler Land and Cattle Co.
http://www.manta.com/company/mm7xs0f

But tell me, Oldtimer - you claim to really be concerned with ethics, and with people not being bought out or selling out. Doesn't it bother you that Dudley Butler was a contributor to the Obama for America campaign?

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/mississippi_benton_39039.asp?cycle=08
 

Texan

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Texan said:
But tell me, Oldtimer - you claim to really be concerned with ethics, and with people not being bought out or selling out. Doesn't it bother you that Dudley Butler was a contributor to the Obama for America campaign?

I guess you don't care?
 
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Texan said:
Texan said:
But tell me, Oldtimer - you claim to really be concerned with ethics, and with people not being bought out or selling out. Doesn't it bother you that Dudley Butler was a contributor to the Obama for America campaign?

I guess you don't care?

Actually I didn't see your question....

Doesn't bother me a bit Texan....Contrary to what this new Republicanism thinks- every citizen has the right to support whoever they want to for public office- and to vote for whoever they want to...

I much prefer individual donations rather than the PAC's and Corporate Lobbyiest money that has controlled D.C. for years-- with both parties...

It would be more of a surprise to me if Obama chose someone who hadn't supported him- altho he did that with his Ambassadorship to China appointment....

I donated money to Ron Pauls campaign- until he was beat out-- then sent money to Obama...Does that make them corrupt :???: ... Does that mean Obama is in my pocket :???:
 

hypocritexposer

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I much prefer individual donations rather than the PAC's and Corporate Lobbyiest money that has controlled D.C. for years-- with both parties...

No problem with ACORN and their 290 affiliates then, getting your taxpayer dollars to campaign and fraudulently gain support for one candidate, correct?
 
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hypocritexposer said:
I much prefer individual donations rather than the PAC's and Corporate Lobbyiest money that has controlled D.C. for years-- with both parties...

No problem with ACORN and their 290 affiliates then, getting your taxpayer dollars to campaign and fraudulently gain support for one candidate, correct?

I think they should do away with all PAC's and lobbyiest contributions....

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=56177
 

hypocritexposer

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Without even reading the link you have provided, I will label you a conspiracist for the media and blogs you read and quote.

I will forever distrust the information you present as fact.
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
Doesn't bother me a bit Texan....
I didn't figure it would. You seem to be willing to overlook a lot of things as it relates to your 'team.'

And it's good that you support people having the right to donate money to whoever supports their beliefs - kinda like you giving money to Obama. Everybody should be able to support the individuals or organizations that they believe in. Look about halfway down the page on this one. I don't guess this contribution from Dudley Butler bothers you, either? :lol:

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgave2.php?sort=A&cmte=C00028787&cycle=2002&Page=4


I'm glad to see you admit giving money to Obama, though. After all the crap that came from you about Governor Palin spending campaign money on clothes, it's nice to find out that you helped finance a trip to Hawaii. :lol:
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
I much prefer individual donations rather than the PAC's and Corporate Lobbyiest money that has controlled D.C. for years-- with both parties...

Speaking of those dirty, evil PACs, I don't guess you mind Dudley Butler supporting those as long as they're the same ones that YOU support? :lol:

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/mississippi_benton_39039.asp?cycle=00

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/mississippi_benton_39039.asp?cycle=02

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/mississippi_benton_39039.asp?cycle=04
 

Texan

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Of course, it's always possible that he's like you are with Bush - he's changed his mind about the things that he supports over the last few years. I'm still interested in finding out more about him and seeing what he can do.

The first thing I'd like for him to do is to lobby for a completely new PSA. No amendments to the old one - just throw it out and start over with something more relevant to the times. It's ridiculous that we still have to operate under that antique POS.
 

Texan

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Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
I much prefer individual donations rather than the PAC's and Corporate Lobbyiest money that has controlled D.C. for years-- with both parties...

Speaking of those dirty, evil PACs, I don't guess you mind Dudley Butler supporting those as long as they're the same ones that YOU support? :lol:

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/mississippi_benton_39039.asp?cycle=00

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/mississippi_benton_39039.asp?cycle=02

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/mississippi_benton_39039.asp?cycle=04

Hey, Oldtimer - I just had a thought...

Maybe you and Hanta can ride to Butler's swearing in ceremony together? Y'all can stop by and pick up mrj. :lol:
 
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