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Russia versus the US on conservatism...

hypocritexposer

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..oil drilling, fracking. Using those funds to finance growth...

Russia is more conservative than the US.

the US is more socialist now, compared to Russia...more leftist.

and leftists are liars...why wouldnt someone believe Putin, over Barry.
 

Tam

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Why do you seem to think it is one or the other why can't it be neither why can't it be the one in the middle of the mess that we believe THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE.

I could care less what Obama thinks as I think you know I believe he is a full blown idiot but why do you want to believe everything coming out of Russia?

Why do you support a guy that tosses people in jail for daring to speak out against him or are Gay?

He invaded the Ukraine because he knew nobody was going to stop him and he had a very good reason to think that after the Syrian Red Line screw up. What Obama did was prove to every dictator in the world that if they want to mistreat their citizen or invade another country the US is just going to sit by and wag their finger at them. How long do you think it is going to be before the wingnut in North Korea decides to push his luck and invade some other poor country that can't defend themselves from the Murderous little screwball that tosses his uncle to the dogs.

The world is a very dangerous place right now and now is not the time for Obama to be telling the wingnut dictators of the world he is gutting the US military that has been their only roadblock to seizing more power for themselves.

Do I believe that the US should have boots on the ground in other countries no I don't but they need to have the power and strength to be feared. Which under Obama they don't. They need to be a country that other countries believe when push comes to shove they are not going to want to chance messing with anyone as the US might step in and then all hell breaks loose. People hated Bush as foreign country did not like him well I would rather have a guy on the button that people didn't like than one that is a BOWING PUSH OVER. :x Talk is cheap it is FEAR that keeps wingnuts in line and Obama's Foreign Policy is proving that everyday.
 

Tam

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So Hyp. who should we believe Putin or the Frm. President of Georgia. that lived through an attack from Putin. Putin or the President of the Ukrainian Congress of Sask. that has family in the Ukraine living through the invasion.

I have heard both these two gentlemen talking today about what is going on and both say the reason Putin is invading the Ukraine is because he needs to control their Shale Gas fields.

The President of the Congress said that Russia to control the Ukraine would shut down the pipeline running through their country in the dead of winter, but he was not able to keep them shut down for long as they also delivered energy to Eastern Europe and Putin needed the money from those sales to keep him going. So Putin built a pipeline around the Ukraine to deliver to Germany and he is in the process to building a 77 +billion dollar pipeline that goes from the area of Sochi across the Black sea to the rest of the EU so he can deliver energy to them. When the Pipeline is done his plans are to shut down the pipeline running through the country and freeze them out until they submit to his will. But there came a little problem to Putin's very expensive pipeline plan, the Ukraine found shale gas and agreed to allow US companies to develop it. They found enough that they would be independent of Putin's blood pipelines. Both men said most of that shale gas is in the very area the Putin is and is looking to control with his military. So if he controls it his very expensive plan to control ALL of the Ukraine through their energy needs is still on track.

The President of Georgia says you can not trust anything coming out of Putin and I do believe he would know since it is his country Putin invaded and NEVER COMPLETELY LEFT.

You want to believe Putin and Putin says he is not invading so please explain the video feed airing today of the Ukrainian troops going out to do their guard duty, only to have the Russian troops in the Ukraine operated military bases shooting over their heads and telling them to return to their barracks? :?

BTW if Putin in not lying through his teeth why is Canada pulling away from Russia and why is Sask. sending aid to the Ukrainians?
 

hypocritexposer

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Tam said:
So Hyp. who should we believe Putin or the Frm. President of Georgia. that lived through an attack from Putin. Putin or the President of the Ukrainian Congress of Sask. that has family in the Ukraine living through the invasion.

I have heard both these two gentlemen talking today about what is going on and both say the reason Putin is invading the Ukraine is because he needs to control their Shale Gas fields.

The President of the Congress said that Russia to control the Ukraine would shut down the pipeline running through their country in the dead of winter, but he was not able to keep them shut down for long as they also delivered energy to Eastern Europe and Putin needed the money from those sales to keep him going. So Putin built a pipeline around the Ukraine to deliver to Germany and he is in the process to building a 77 +billion dollar pipeline that goes from the area of Sochi across the Black sea to the rest of the EU so he can deliver energy to them. When the Pipeline is done his plans are to shut down the pipeline running through the country and freeze them out until they submit to his will. But there came a little problem to Putin's very expensive pipeline plan, the Ukraine found shale gas and agreed to allow US companies to develop it. They found enough that they would be independent of Putin's blood pipelines. Both men said most of that shale gas is in the very area the Putin is and is looking to control with his military. So if he controls it his very expensive plan to control ALL of the Ukraine through their energy needs is still on track.

The President of Georgia says you can not trust anything coming out of Putin and I do believe he would know since it is his country Putin invaded and NEVER COMPLETELY LEFT.

You want to believe Putin and Putin says he is not invading so please explain the video feed airing today of the Ukrainian troops going out to do their guard duty, only to have the Russian troops in the Ukraine operated military bases shooting over their heads and telling them to return to their barracks? :?

BTW if Putin in not lying through his teeth why is Canada pulling away from Russia and why is Sask. sending aid to the Ukrainians?

I have specifically said that it is hard to believe either side at this point.
 

Tam

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hypocritexposer said:
Tam said:
So Hyp. who should we believe Putin or the Frm. President of Georgia. that lived through an attack from Putin. Putin or the President of the Ukrainian Congress of Sask. that has family in the Ukraine living through the invasion.

I have heard both these two gentlemen talking today about what is going on and both say the reason Putin is invading the Ukraine is because he needs to control their Shale Gas fields.

The President of the Congress said that Russia to control the Ukraine would shut down the pipeline running through their country in the dead of winter, but he was not able to keep them shut down for long as they also delivered energy to Eastern Europe and Putin needed the money from those sales to keep him going. So Putin built a pipeline around the Ukraine to deliver to Germany and he is in the process to building a 77 +billion dollar pipeline that goes from the area of Sochi across the Black sea to the rest of the EU so he can deliver energy to them. When the Pipeline is done his plans are to shut down the pipeline running through the country and freeze them out until they submit to his will. But there came a little problem to Putin's very expensive pipeline plan, the Ukraine found shale gas and agreed to allow US companies to develop it. They found enough that they would be independent of Putin's blood pipelines. Both men said most of that shale gas is in the very area the Putin is and is looking to control with his military. So if he controls it his very expensive plan to control ALL of the Ukraine through their energy needs is still on track.

The President of Georgia says you can not trust anything coming out of Putin and I do believe he would know since it is his country Putin invaded and NEVER COMPLETELY LEFT.

You want to believe Putin and Putin says he is not invading so please explain the video feed airing today of the Ukrainian troops going out to do their guard duty, only to have the Russian troops in the Ukraine operated military bases shooting over their heads and telling them to return to their barracks? :?

BTW if Putin in not lying through his teeth why is Canada pulling away from Russia and why is Sask. sending aid to the Ukrainians?

I have specifically said that it is hard to believe either side at this point.

Sorry but I must have read this wrong Hyp.

...why wouldnt someone believe Putin, over Barry.

I took it that you believed Putin over Barry since you say Over not OR and I commented I believe NEITHER. I see them as both not trustworthy but reports from the US Military and Citizens on the ground are making their way out of the area and that who I'm basing my beliefs on.

This might also be why I believed you were believe Putin

hypocritexposer wrote:
Steve, I get it...you hate Russians...they will never be right.

Americans...never wrong
 

hypocritexposer

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Tam said:
I have heard both these two gentlemen talking today about what is going on and both say the reason Putin is invading the Ukraine is because he needs to control their Shale Gas fields.

Did these guys also mention how the US, along with a couple of billionaires, was helping to fund those protesters that overthrew the government of the Ukraine, so they could maintain control over the shale fields
 

Steve

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so they could maintain control over the shale fields

to be honest as a country,.. the US is not very good at controlling foreign resources..

either that or I missed the rent check from Iraq
 

Tam

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hypocritexposer said:
Tam said:
I have heard both these two gentlemen talking today about what is going on and both say the reason Putin is invading the Ukraine is because he needs to control their Shale Gas fields.

Did these guys also mention how the US, along with a couple of billionaires, was helping to fund those protesters that overthrew the government of the Ukraine, so they could maintain control over the shale fields

No they were concentrating on how PUTIN was lying about invading an Independent Country because he was "protecting the people" :roll: If he was there to protect people why was he shooting warning shots over the Ukrainian troops heads and telling them to go back to their barracks when they wanted to do their jobs and guard their own military bases?

In their eyes the facts are Putin saw his chance to abuse the Ukrainian people slipping away once the Ukraine developed their own energy supply and no longer needed his energy. Putin spent billions on pipelines to ensure his country would not be hurt when he shut down the pipelines to freeze out the Ukrainian people to get them to SUBMIT. When that was not longer going to work due to their own Shale Gas Fields being developed by YES US COMPANIES he tried to BUY the President with billions in aid, when the citizens said NO YOU DON'T, he walked in with GUNS to take back what he wanted. which was his power over that once part of the USSR.

Even if the US gave the protestors funding to help them stand up to their corrupt President that was going against their wishes, it does not give Putin the right to INVADE A FREE COUNTRY that wanted so much to be FREE OF RUSSIA that they took money from the US to support their efforts. Does that mean the US is going to control them when all is said and done? NO as the US has a history of LIBERATING people but not a History of Invading them to take them over. If they were going to take over a country for their gas and oil reserves I would have thought it would have been IRAQ as they have a lot more money and blood invested in that country and they left Iraq in the hand of the elected government, without leaving one soldier behind and that is why the terrorists are back in there terrorizing the citizens AGAIN. :roll:
 

hypocritexposer

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Tam said:
In their eyes the facts are Putin saw his chance to abuse the Ukrainian people slipping away once the Ukraine developed their own energy supply and no longer needed his energy. Putin spent billions on pipelines to ensure his country would not be hurt when he shut down the pipelines to freeze out the Ukrainian people to get them to SUBMIT. When that was not longer going to work due to their own Shale Gas Fields being developed by YES US COMPANIES he tried to BUY the President with billions in aid, when the citizens said NO YOU DON'T, he walked in with GUNS to take back what he wanted. which was his power over that once part of the USSR.

How is this any different than what obama did in Ukraine

Except that obama hired guns, had the government overthrown and people actually died because of obamas actions.

If the people wanted to get rid of the president, there was an upcoming election, but Barry could not wait for the democratic process to work

He governs Domestically just about the same.

This whole mess was instigated by Barry and his foreign policy ineptness
 

Tam

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hypocritexposer said:
Tam said:
In their eyes the facts are Putin saw his chance to abuse the Ukrainian people slipping away once the Ukraine developed their own energy supply and no longer needed his energy. Putin spent billions on pipelines to ensure his country would not be hurt when he shut down the pipelines to freeze out the Ukrainian people to get them to SUBMIT. When that was not longer going to work due to their own Shale Gas Fields being developed by YES US COMPANIES he tried to BUY the President with billions in aid, when the citizens said NO YOU DON'T, he walked in with GUNS to take back what he wanted. which was his power over that once part of the USSR.

How is this any different than what obama did in Ukraine

Except that obama hired guns, had the government overthrown and people actually died because of obamas actions.

If the people wanted to get rid of the president, there was an upcoming election, but Barry could not wait for the democratic process to work

He governs Domestically just about the same.

This whole mess was instigated by Barry and his foreign policy ineptness

Do you really think Obama had anything to do with any of this in the Ukraine when he is getting his azz handed to him by Terrorists in multiple countries, Iran with their Nukes, Syria with their Chemical weapons and the US Voters over his lying? You give him A LOT more credit than he deserves. :roll:

And I guess this is where we are going to have to agree to DISAGREE as I see Russia had no right to invade a country with GUNS and missile testing to push the fear factor so he can put a President back in that his own party voted to IMPEACH as they saw him as a Putin Sell Out. HIS OWN PARTY MEMBERS IMPEACHED HIM HYP. :roll:
 

hypocritexposer

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Tam, do you believe that obama is backing the Syrian rebels in an attempt to overthrow Assad

Do you believe that obama backed the Eygptian rebels when they overthrew Mubarak

how about Libya, did obama help out there

Tunisia, Yemen

obama is a tyrant, just the same as Putin. obama tried it one too many times and has now had his hand slapped
 
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