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Same-sex marriage and Vermont

WyomingRancher

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Soapweed said:
[Now that you mention it, yes I am nearly as equally offended seeing heteros making out in public. It is more "legal" but still not in good taste.

Agreed. I personally could care less what people do in private, but I don't like extreme public displays of affection. I question if it's more "legal" for heteros. Every summer, 500-700 gay/lesbians from the rocky mountain region gather on my forest allotment for a five day rendezvous. They very openly display their sexuality, and in addition to public displays of affection, post very disgusting signs on the trees, and litter the forest floor with packet trails of honey and condoms. This is nothing more than a five day orgy. I question whether or not it would be as acceptable for heteros to have a five day orgy on public lands in such an open, offensive manner..maybe they do have them??? This group has stopped me, asking me to leave when I'm up caring for my cattle... it's a week I really dread each summer. I get the impression from the forest service that they would rather not make waves with this particular group, when confronted with our concerns as permittees.
 

TexasBred

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Kola.....I did not break and run on your question. It was a good question. And yes I love my wife dearly, but to be perfectly honest "do any of us really know what we would do in a situation similiar to what you presented"?? I can't say that I really know. My wife has a living will and has insisted that I use it if that time ever comes when she is unable to make her own decisions.

Maybe I am what you all call a "homophobe" as I've been around very few of them during my life. Only two or threee that I knew were homosexual. Is it a sickness or an acquired lifestyle? I don't know the answer to that either nor does anyone else really know. Probably some of both.

As a Christian I only know what I believe God's word teaches and that is that it is NO SIN to be homosexual, however, they should obstain from illicit sex acts. Just my understanding of scripture and how I was taught.
 

Cal

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I predict there are going to be lawsuits against pastors, churches and congregations that refuse to marry homosexual couples, merely as a way of pushing their deviancy on others.
 

Cal

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Texan said:
You right-wing religious zealots need to stop spouting your nonsense. Our leader has repeatedly said that we are NOT a Christian nation. Now he has gone to foreign soil and told the rest of the world. Maybe they will like us better now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIVd7YT0oWA
Maybe he wants to handle this the way Iran does.
 

hypocritexposer

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Is there any major religion that condones homosexuality?

Why is it that Christians always take the "heat" for being against homosexuality? It is the act and not the "sinner" that Christians are against, is it not?

Kola, would you have the time to research the koran, and let us know what the Muslims think of the act of homosexuality, and the person that participates?

What are the punishments for the act, in either religion?
 

kolanuraven

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TexasBred said:
Kola.....I did not break and run on your question. It was a good question. And yes I love my wife dearly, but to be perfectly honest "do any of us really know what we would do in a situation similiar to what you presented"?? I can't say that I really know. My wife has a living will and has insisted that I use it if that time ever comes when she is unable to make her own decisions.

Maybe I am what you all call a "homophobe" as I've been around very few of them during my life. Only two or threee that I knew were homosexual. Is it a sickness or an acquired lifestyle? I don't know the answer to that either nor does anyone else really know. Probably some of both.

As a Christian I only know what I believe God's word teaches and that is that it is NO SIN to be homosexual, however, they should obstain from illicit sex acts. Just my understanding of scripture and how I was taught.




My reply: << this was back and forth via PM's>>

Now TBred: if you'd put this on the thread many would see you in a better light....but that choice is yours.

One example:
I grew up with a fellow who is gay. When we were kids, he was always playing with my dolls, etc. He was different, we knew it...but ya know what....we didnt' care and today he's one of my dearest friends still. I can count on him for ANYTHING...ANYWHERE.

He's a 6'4" " drag queen" in South Beach in Miami....that's his job and how he makes his living as a performer...and he's not only beautiful all made up.....he's good!!

He has had a partner, the same man, for over 15 years. They are successful and wonderful people. I see very few hetero marriages as happy and peaceful as these 2 guys are and I'm proud to have them as my friends.

Mike was gay from the moment he was born...nothing traumatic happened to him during his lifetime....he was born that way.

He tried the dating scene when were all teenagers and he was miserable and felt he was deceiving people, which he was.

I see cancer as a sickness....not being gay.

Really, if you honestly met some people , who were good people--of course there is trash on all levels of society--, of this lifestyle...you would see they live lives 99.9% the same as you and me.

Don't let preconceived notions let you miss out some good people you could encounter in your life.....you only got one life !!!

Kola
 

kolanuraven

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Steve said:
KolanuRaven
QUESTION:,... then you are FOR living a lie ?

I take it you read my "work" as you plagiarized it.. now that you know how I feel about gay relationships,. I will answer your question.. NO.


What'da hell you talking about?


Hate to break it to ya there Rancher Steve in New Jersey..but I hardly EVER read anything OF YOURS past the first sentence or two.


But I do appreciate a straight forward answer!
 

Steve

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kolanuraven said:
Steve said:
KolanuRaven
QUESTION:,... then you are FOR living a lie ?

I take it you read my "work" as you plagiarized it.. now that you know how I feel about gay relationships,. I will answer your question.. NO.


What'da hell you talking about?


Hate to break it to ya there Rancher Steve in New Jersey..but I hardly EVER read anything past the first sentence or two.


But I do appreciate a straight forward answer!

well that explains alot.. :roll: :wink:
 

kolanuraven

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Sandhusker said:
kolanuraven said:
Sandhusker said:
Guess you missed this, Kolo;
You don't want to write that the Bible says about homosexuality, do you, Kolo? What's the problem? Seems to me that you're comfortable quoting it on the topic of lying, but you sure don't want to quote it on homosexuality. Typical liberal hypocricy - at least you're consistent.

My opinion is that you can be gay and still not lie. God knows what demons haunt each of us. If you're gay, he knows it, no matter what one says or does. The trick is to not act on those gay impulses. I'm sure that isn't easy, but there's no part of Christianity that is supposed to be easy.


One thing at a time......


Do you believe it's OK with your Christian values to live a lie?

NO


FINALLY!!! Man, I bet that hurt!!!
 

alice

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Sandhusker said:
OK, Kola, now explain to me why it's OK to get married if you're gay, but not in the case of incest or bigamy.

I could care less if incest between consenting ADULTS occurs. Makes me sick to think about it, but then the only way any one knows about it is if it is reported. And for it to be reported, it had to have been reported and acted on thru and act of force.

As far as bigamy is concerned...as long as the "wife" or "husband" for that matter is a consenting adult...it's none of my business.

When people present themselves for marriage licenses, they have to be ADULTS...and if they are of the same sex, it's none of my business...

Alice
 

Sandhusker

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alice said:
Sandhusker said:
OK, Kola, now explain to me why it's OK to get married if you're gay, but not in the case of incest or bigamy.

I could care less if incest between consenting ADULTS occurs. Makes me sick to think about it, but then the only way any one knows about it is if it is reported. And for it to be reported, it had to have been reported and acted on thru and act of force.

As far as bigamy is concerned...as long as the "wife" or "husband" for that matter is a consenting adult...it's none of my business.

When people present themselves for marriage licenses, they have to be ADULTS...and if they are of the same sex, it's none of my business...

Alice

I'm not just talking about incest occuring, I was asking about marriage. You're cool with immediate family members getting married?
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Sandhusker said:
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
OK, Kola, now explain to me why it's OK to get married if you're gay, but not in the case of incest or bigamy.

I could care less if incest between consenting ADULTS occurs. Makes me sick to think about it, but then the only way any one knows about it is if it is reported. And for it to be reported, it had to have been reported and acted on thru and act of force.

As far as bigamy is concerned...as long as the "wife" or "husband" for that matter is a consenting adult...it's none of my business.

When people present themselves for marriage licenses, they have to be ADULTS...and if they are of the same sex, it's none of my business...

Alice

I'm not just talking about incest occuring, I was asking about marriage. You're cool with immediate family members getting married?


If it was good enough for her Uncle/Dad it should be good enough for her.

:wink: :D
 

alice

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
alice said:
I could care less if incest between consenting ADULTS occurs. Makes me sick to think about it, but then the only way any one knows about it is if it is reported. And for it to be reported, it had to have been reported and acted on thru and act of force.

As far as bigamy is concerned...as long as the "wife" or "husband" for that matter is a consenting adult...it's none of my business.

When people present themselves for marriage licenses, they have to be ADULTS...and if they are of the same sex, it's none of my business...

Alice

I'm not just talking about incest occuring, I was asking about marriage. You're cool with immediate family members getting married?


If it was good enough for her Uncle/Dad it should be good enough for her.

:wink: :D

I'm thinking you stepped over a line there, BMR.

Alice
 

hopalong

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alice said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
I'm not just talking about incest occuring, I was asking about marriage. You're cool with immediate family members getting married?


If it was good enough for her Uncle/Dad it should be good enough for her.

:wink: :D

I'm thinking you stepped over a line there, BMR.

Alice

Problem with that is the key words!! alice and thinking is non existant :)
 

badaxemoo

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Here is some of what society reaps when the seeds of homophobic hatred are sown:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/10/712853/-A-11-y.o.-Boy-commits-suicide-after-homophobic-bullying

It doesn't even matter if these kids were actually gay or not.

This type of bullying wouldn't exist without the foundation that some of the morons on this site help to perpetuate.

Shame on you.
 

Sandhusker

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badaxemoo said:
Here is some of what society reaps when the seeds of homophobic hatred are sown:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/10/712853/-A-11-y.o.-Boy-commits-suicide-after-homophobic-bullying

It doesn't even matter if these kids were actually gay or not.

This type of bullying wouldn't exist without the foundation that some of the morons on this site help to perpetuate.

Shame on you.

Take your hypocritical blather someplace else. We're not homoPHOBIC, we're homoDISGUSTIC.
 

badaxemoo

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Sandhusker said:
badaxemoo said:
Here is some of what society reaps when the seeds of homophobic hatred are sown:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/10/712853/-A-11-y.o.-Boy-commits-suicide-after-homophobic-bullying

It doesn't even matter if these kids were actually gay or not.

This type of bullying wouldn't exist without the foundation that some of the morons on this site help to perpetuate.

Shame on you.

Take your hypocritical blather someplace else. We're not homoPHOBIC, we're homoDISGUSTIC.

Good to hear one of the morons check in.

For someone that is supposedly DISGUSTED with homosexual behavior, you sure seem fascinated with anal sex imagery (i.e. "deep knee bends in an asparagus patch")

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29874&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=12

Better go see a counselor ASAP.
 

Sandhusker

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For somebody who thinks consenting adults in love should be the only prereq for marriage, you're a dang hypocrite and a liberal, but then I repeat myself.

How do you justify being such a hypocrite?
 

Sandhusker

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Sandhusker said:
For somebody who thinks consenting adults in love should be the only prereq for marriage, you're a dang hypocrite and a liberal, but then I repeat myself.

How do you justify being such a hypocrite?

Looks like you're getting good at the liberal drive-by as well. :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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