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Sandhusker and Rod....

TimH

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I would love to "debate" you two on the pros and cons of "voluntary" BSE testing.
But, before I do I would like to know EXACTLY what it is that you are advocating.
Is it- A) Individual private companies being allowed to BSE test with Government oversite.
Or- B) Individual private companies being allowed to BSE test without government oversite.

By "government oversite" I mean USDA or CFIA staff onsite at the testing facility, monitering testing procedures and results. And by BSE testing , I mean using a test that is approved by the appropriate government agency and expressly for the export market.

A direct answer, A or B, is all that I want. :)
Answer the question and I will be pleased to debate you...... :)
 

TimH

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
My answer is "whatever the customer wants". We're in the fix we're in because of not listening to the customer.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
So..... would that be A or B???? It is a simple question. :roll: :roll:

(BTW, I read your 1st resonse before it "disapeared") :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :lol: :lol: :lol:

Long Live R-Calf!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

TimH

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Looks like good ole' Sandhusker(the die hard R-Calfer and educated banker)) prefers to remain non-commital, to say the least!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:(not to mention putting it as kindly as possible) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It's up to you Roddy........ or anyone else for that matter.......A or B????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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First of all Tim, don't call me Roddy. There are a couple people in this world who have known me for alot of years who can call me that. For you, Rod will suffice.

As far as your question, neither of your options is acceptable. I'll start another thread in a moment with some thoughts off the top of my head, vis-a-vis an acceptable roll out of 100% BSE testing. If you wish to debate the points, or add to the points, I will gladly carry on a civil debate. I grow weary of rolling around in the mud (I get enough of that with SH), and will simply ignore any responses which attempt to use sarcasm, or are simply idiotic ramblings.

Rod
 

Sandhusker

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I deleted my first answer because I at first missed the part of your question that said this was for export only and most of my answer was on domestic product. If you think you've got me on something there..... :roll:

I have no problem debating you, Tim, but I have to take one of your comments and defend it? That's nonsense. I couldn't defend either one of them. If you want somebody to defend somebody else's comments without thinking, you need to talk to SH.

I answered you truthfully and my reward is a smart-ass retort? My stand for the past 2 1/2 years as been the same - give the customer what he wants and charge accordingly. My answer to you reflected that. I'm not the export customer. If they want government oversight or not, that's up them. Your question is like asking me if your neighbor should use Char or Simmy bulls. First of all, it's up to them and secondly, I might not like either of your choices offered, I'm a Maine man.

You want to start over?
 

TimH

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Sandhusker said:
I deleted my first answer because I at first missed the part of your question that said this was for export only and most of my answer was on domestic product. If you think you've got me on something there..... :roll:

I have no problem debating you, Tim, but I have to take one of your comments and defend it? That's nonsense. I couldn't defend either one of them. If you want somebody to defend somebody else's comments without thinking, you need to talk to SH.

I answered you truthfully and my reward is a smart-ass retort? My stand for the past 2 1/2 years as been the same - give the customer what he wants and charge accordingly. My answer to you reflected that. I'm not the export customer. If they want government oversight or not, that's up them. Your question is like asking me if your neighbor should use Char or Simmy bulls. First of all, it's up to them and secondly, I might not like either of your choices offered, I'm a Maine man.

You want to start over?

Start over???? I think not. I'm done unless you can commit to a position and stick with it. Either the private testing, that you are advocating, will have government oversite or it won't. If there is another option, I'm all ears.
And, as far as the domestic vs. export market thing goes, forget I said "expressly for the export market". Would any position, you don't appear to have, on government oversite change if testing was for the domestic market???
Pick a position and stick with it .........govt. oversite or not, or state another option.... then I will debate you. I'm tired of your obsession with leaving yourself lots of wiggle room. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Same goes for you Rod(minus the "dy") :)
 

Sandhusker

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"unless you can commit to a position and stick with it", "Would any position, you don't appear to have", "Pick a position and stick with it", "I'm tired of your obsession with leaving yourself lots of wiggle room".

Boy, you sure know how to charm a girl, don't you? I think you can debate yourself.
 

Mike

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This government oversight thing is pretty funny. There are many, many private labs in the USA that are "Accredited" to do testing of many different types. In fact, just about every hospital has an FDA accredited lab that handles all types of human disease tests.

There are also testing labs in 18 different universities here that are satellite stations for BSE rapid testing, just as Creekstone asked them to do. At Kansas State Univ.-which is now an accredited and approved rapid testing facility, just like Creekstone asked them to do from the beginning.

I asked the vet school at Auburn if they do BSE testing a while back. The Dr. at the lab told me that they opted out because the USDA was only paying $10 for each test done and the kit costs $7.50-$8.50 each. He also said the test was very simple and that any student could handle it with a few minutes training. Collecting of the sample is the most important function of proper testing. He also told me the testing must be done in hazardous condition garments and in an isolated area..............

And we are eating these cattle? :???:
 

TimH

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Mike said:
This government oversight thing is pretty funny. There are many, many private labs in the USA that are "Accredited" to do testing of many different types. In fact, just about every hospital has an FDA accredited lab that handles all types of human disease tests.

There are also testing labs in 18 different universities here that are satellite stations for BSE rapid testing, just as Creekstone asked them to do. At Kansas State Univ.-which is now an accredited and approved rapid testing facility, just like Creekstone asked them to do from the beginning.

I asked the vet school at Auburn if they do BSE testing a while back. The Dr. at the lab told me that they opted out because the USDA was only paying $10 for each test done and the kit costs $7.50-$8.50 each. He also said the test was very simple and that any student could handle it with a few minutes training. Collecting of the sample is the most important function of proper testing. He also told me the testing must be done in hazardous condition garments and in an isolated area..............

And we are eating these cattle? :???:

:D :D :D :D

E-coli is undisputably a food safety issue. Do "accreditted labs" perform e-coli testing, or is that done by a government agency????
Does Tyson or Cargill have their own private testing facilities that test for E-coli with no government oversite??????
Yup. This govt. oversite of food safety thing is pretty "funny" there, Mike.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 

bse-tester

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Mike wrote:

Collecting of the sample is the most important function of proper testing. He also told me the testing must be done in hazardous condition garments and in an isolated area..............

The most important initial aspect of testing is the chain of custody applied to the sample - period! It is absolutely paramount that the sample taken is not only delivered to the lab intact but all data relating to the animal it came from, the time and date must also accompany it and stay with it at all times. Without this, the sample may be deemed to come from anywhere - perhaps even from TimH's little shack at the bottom of the garden!! :lol: :wink:

Also Mike, it is important that the lab be tightly contained and have all the necessary cautions in place such as positive and negative air, level 3 grades in place and so on. PrPsc is scary enough but to have it in an uncontrolled or loosely guarded environment is way too scary. Ron.
 

TimH

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bse-tester wrote-
"Without this, the sample may be deemed to come from anywhere - perhaps even from TimH's little shack at the bottom of the garden!!"

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm sooooo hurt!! :D :D :D

How do you find the time, Ron, to save the world from deadly prion diseases ,with your pee-pee test, AND still manage a lame attempt at insulting me??? :D :D
Shouldn't you be out delivering blankets to the homeless or something???
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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