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Saudi royal: U.S. can't be energy-independent

hypocritexposer

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I think this guy just called Obama a liar!

Monday, April 27, 2009

A key member of the Saudi royal family who headed the country's intelligence service for 25 years accused both the Obama and Bush administrations Monday of "deceiving" the American people that the U.S. can ever end its dependence on foreign oil.

"You can't get rid of oil. You can't get rid of fossil fuels — gas and coal — unless you want to price yourself out of existence," Prince Turki al-Faisal, former ambassador to Washington, told editors and reporters at The Washington Times.

"I'd hope that the general public in the United States would be wiser than to be deceived into thinking that the U.S. can ever be energy independent," he said.

During his election campaign last year, President Obama said, "I will set a clear goal as president. In 10 years, we will finally end our dependence on oil in the Middle East."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/27/saudi-ex-envoy-us-cant-be-energy-independent/
 
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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
I think this guy just called Obama a liar!

Monday, April 27, 2009

A key member of the Saudi royal family who headed the country's intelligence service for 25 years accused both the Obama and Bush administrations Monday of "deceiving" the American people that the U.S. can ever end its dependence on foreign oil.

"You can't get rid of oil. You can't get rid of fossil fuels — gas and coal — unless you want to price yourself out of existence," Prince Turki al-Faisal, former ambassador to Washington, told editors and reporters at The Washington Times.

"I'd hope that the general public in the United States would be wiser than to be deceived into thinking that the U.S. can ever be energy independent," he said.

During his election campaign last year, President Obama said, "I will set a clear goal as president. In 10 years, we will finally end our dependence on oil in the Middle East."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/27/saudi-ex-envoy-us-cant-be-energy-independent/

I don't think I've heard anyone- Obama, Boone Pickens, or anyone even suggest we can be independent of fossil fuel usage for many many years-- but there is a big difference between that and being independent from dependence of oil in the Middle East.....

During his election campaign last year, President Obama said, "I will set a clear goal as president. In 10 years, we will finally end our dependence on oil in the Middle East."
 
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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
Where you going to make up the difference?

Boone says natural gas, wind, solar and a combination of putting an emphasis on all forms of energy- plus developing increased battery/electricity storage technology- smart grids... I think he and most "experts" I've seen don't think the technology to remove the big units and long hauls from heavy fuels will be available for 40-70 years....
 

hypocritexposer

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those wouldn't happen to be the same experts that are advising him on Cap and Trade, would they?

Experts that label CO2 as a poison to the environment, while knowing that CO2 is only 3% of greenhouse gases.

Basing this advice on the theory of "Global warming", while wondering why there is a cooling trend at present, while also wondering why there are no sun bursts?

He may need new advisors!

Maybe he can hire Al Gore, his net worth has only gone from a couple million to 100 million in the last 8-9 years, he could use some additional funds.
 

aplusmnt

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hypocritexposer said:
Where you going to make up the difference?

Drilling in America, but liberals will never let that happen. Liberals do not want us to be free of foreign oil, they just want to appear that they do. Otherwise they would allow more drilling to make it happen, and along side that they could stimulate other choices. But as long as we do not have them choices now why not allow the drilling until then?
 

MoGal

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Actually, I think Americans are duped into believing we get all our oil from the Middle East!!!! I thought last year I posted an article that said less than 10% comes from them.

Also, Japan came up with vehicles that run on water years ago and our illicit mainstream news media was silent and the powers that be did not want the USA off oil.
 

Bullhauler

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MoGal said:
Actually, I think Americans are duped into believing we get all our oil from the Middle East!!!! I thought last year I posted an article that said less than 10% comes from them.

Also, Japan came up with vehicles that run on water years ago and our illicit mainstream news media was silent and the powers that be did not want the USA off oil.

You must have watched too many episodes of "That 70's Show".
 
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Anonymous

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reader (the Second) said:
In MoGal's defense, she is correct that between the oil companies and their lackies (read Cheney and Bush among them folks) and the corn to ethanol folks and the auto industry, this government has NOT tried to get us off foreign oil -- and that includes Democrats and the GOP, all equally guilty.

Yep-- one of the major foreign auto makers was on a forum the other day talking about their electric cars that they are producing in Europe- and advised they even have delivery and transport trucks running completely on electric power- which are being used for metropolitan deliveries- thereby reducing both the need for fossil fuels, but reducing the SMOG problems of and improving the air quality of the downtown metropolitan areas....

These vehicles now had 200 mile travel capability in a day (which he said would handle almost any commuter workers needs)- and also could be plugged into your house/office building to recharge- and then when fully charged- and not being driven- used to store/meter out electricity back to your house/business- allowing the owner to buy power during the lower cost low use periods- and then feed it back to themselves during the peak use "higher cost" periods.....
 

Cowpuncher

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Anyone who thinks we will ever be free of dependence on foreign oil (or even middle east oil) is a complete and utter economic idiot.

Just go back on the internet and look at US gasoline consumption year by year from about 1950.

You can hope for ethanol, wind, solar, tidal, etc, etc. None of these will make any kind of a dent in energy use.

The only answer on the horizon is to start making a bunch of nuclear plants and pigs will fly before the current congress and administration will admit that.

Get used to high gasoline and diesel prices.

I do not claim to be an expert, but I did work in the oil business fior almost thirty years. We had projects geothermal, ethanol, photovoltaic and other sources including oil shale projects and none were even clost to economic.


The Saudis are a hell of a lot smarter than the US government.

Another thought. The US has more oil reserves in oil shale than most of the rest of the world. The democrats took another bunch of land out of shale development just a month or so ago,
 

MoGal

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Here's a link and if you know chinese or Japanese, be my guest (however its also got English) ....... here's the link and go down towards the bottom of the page (however its got fantastic info on the swine flu and who caused it) http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/

Many Japanese inventors murdered by the US, Japanese industrialist claims

A famous Japanese industrialist, who requested anonymity, says that many Japanese inventors were murdered by the US secret government in the post-war years. “There were several times when I invested in a project only to end up with the factory destroyed and the inventor murdered. Among the post-war Japanese inventions that were suppressed were cars that run on water, desk top fusion and anti-gravity devices, he says.

His testimony was supported by a Japanese veteran who worked on secret weapons projects during world war two. Shortly before his death early this year he told me that in 1942 the Germans built a flying saucer testing and production facility in Japan. He said that at first they were scared of riding them so they put dogs in before humans began to ride them. The entire facility was dismantled and taken to the US after World War 2, he claims.

Meanwhile, Japanese industrialists are preparing for the simultaneous development and mass production of suppressed technologies. The illuminati will no longer be allowed to hold back human progress for the sake of control.
 

Steve

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Oldtimer said:
reader (the Second) said:
In MoGal's defense, she is correct that between the oil companies and their lackies (read Cheney and Bush among them folks) and the corn to ethanol folks and the auto industry, this government has NOT tried to get us off foreign oil -- and that includes Democrats and the GOP, all equally guilty.

Yep-- one of the major foreign auto makers was on a forum the other day talking about their electric cars that they are producing in Europe- and advised they even have delivery and transport trucks running completely on electric power- which are being used for metropolitan deliveries- thereby reducing both the need for fossil fuels, but reducing the SMOG problems of and improving the air quality of the downtown metropolitan areas....

These vehicles now had 200 mile travel capability in a day (which he said would handle almost any commuter workers needs)- and also could be plugged into your house/office building to recharge- and then when fully charged- and not being driven- used to store/meter out electricity back to your house/business- allowing the owner to buy power during the lower cost low use periods- and then feed it back to themselves during the peak use "higher cost" periods.....

interesting story.. but only part of the story... why don't they take the same vehicles and sell them in the US? ,.. actually some are, they are called electric LSV's and one make is sold by Chrysler..

but mostly because EU cars do not comply with our stringent safety standards and can not go far enough or fast enough to satisfy US standards and needs.

we have several local companies that sells electric LSV's,.. sales are dismal... why.. at prices 8 grand it is only allowed on roads with speed limits less then 35 mph so your limited to in town only... great for the pizza guy.. in fact almost every one I know has a golf cart type that is allowed on the low speed limit streets .. and we have dozens of business and government departments that use them..including our local police, but they are not practical for a personnel car,..

http://www.gemcar.com/
Gem is one where I see several cars on a daily basis..
large_town.jpg


we also have Beach creek cruisers
http://www.harboroutfitters.com/category.php?id=22

the link below shows several different models available

http://venturebeat.com/2008/01/10/27-electric-cars-companies-ready-to-take-over-the-road/


but most can't hit freeway speeds and are designated LSV's.. or Nevs


with a little checking I found Montana even has dealers of LSV and NEV electric cars..
 

TexasBred

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reader (the Second) said:
In MoGal's defense, she is correct that between the oil companies and their lackies (read Cheney and Bush among them folks) and the corn to ethanol folks and the auto industry, this government has NOT tried to get us off foreign oil -- and that includes Democrats and the GOP, all equally guilty.

But at the same time none of them have done anything to induce us to drill more in the USA.
 
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Anonymous

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Steve said:
Oldtimer said:
reader (the Second) said:
In MoGal's defense, she is correct that between the oil companies and their lackies (read Cheney and Bush among them folks) and the corn to ethanol folks and the auto industry, this government has NOT tried to get us off foreign oil -- and that includes Democrats and the GOP, all equally guilty.

Yep-- one of the major foreign auto makers was on a forum the other day talking about their electric cars that they are producing in Europe- and advised they even have delivery and transport trucks running completely on electric power- which are being used for metropolitan deliveries- thereby reducing both the need for fossil fuels, but reducing the SMOG problems of and improving the air quality of the downtown metropolitan areas....

These vehicles now had 200 mile travel capability in a day (which he said would handle almost any commuter workers needs)- and also could be plugged into your house/office building to recharge- and then when fully charged- and not being driven- used to store/meter out electricity back to your house/business- allowing the owner to buy power during the lower cost low use periods- and then feed it back to themselves during the peak use "higher cost" periods.....

interesting story.. but only part of the story... why don't they take the same vehicles and sell them in the US? ,.. actually some are, they are called electric LSV's and one make is sold by Chrysler..

but mostly because EU cars do not comply with our stringent safety standards and can not go far enough or fast enough to satisfy US standards and needs.

we have several local companies that sells electric LSV's,.. sales are dismal... why.. at prices 8 grand it is only allowed on roads with speed limits less then 35 mph so your limited to in town only... great for the pizza guy.. in fact almost every one I know has a golf cart type that is allowed on the low speed limit streets .. and we have dozens of business and government departments that use them..including our local police, but they are not practical for a personnel car,..

http://www.gemcar.com/
Gem is one where I see several cars on a daily basis..
large_town.jpg


we also have Beach creek cruisers
http://www.harboroutfitters.com/category.php?id=22

the link below shows several different models available

http://venturebeat.com/2008/01/10/27-electric-cars-companies-ready-to-take-over-the-road/


but most can't hit freeway speeds and are designated LSV's.. or Nevs


with a little checking I found Montana even has dealers of LSV and NEV electric cars..

These were the type electric/hybrid he was showing- and said he drove himself..And said he used on the Autobahn...

http://www.worldclassexotics.com/Electric%20car%20conv.htm

http://www.hybridcars.com/electric-cars/6-cool-european-electric-cars-never-coming-us-25227.html

While he, Boone, the US car manufacturers, and everyone else in the forum agreed that these would not fit for everyones needs, that if they could get just 20% (mostly daily commuters and folks driving to the corner store) to drive an alternate fuel or hybrid vehicle that we would/could end our dependency on foreign oil and being held hostage to them...While they were split on how long that will take- 10-20 years- they all agreed that as usage increases, battery/fuels technology increases, metals technology allows lighter vehicle weights, the capabilities of the vehicles will increase and the costs of them will come down...

But in order to do that- the country's longterm energy plan- and the US automakers- need to put much more emphasis on that direction than they have in the past rather than the old policy of Drill, Drill, Drill...

They all also agreed that they thought it could be 50 or more years before the battery/hybrid/new fuels technology allowed replacement of the fuels made from the heavy oils (gas, diesel) for long haul and heavy load vehicles...
 

Steve

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
Oldtimer said:
Yep-- one of the major foreign auto makers was on a forum the other day talking about their electric cars that they are producing in Europe- and advised they even have delivery and transport trucks running completely on electric power- which are being used for metropolitan deliveries- thereby reducing both the need for fossil fuels, but reducing the SMOG problems of and improving the air quality of the downtown metropolitan areas....

These vehicles now had 200 mile travel capability in a day (which he said would handle almost any commuter workers needs)- and also could be plugged into your house/office building to recharge- and then when fully charged- and not being driven- used to store/meter out electricity back to your house/business- allowing the owner to buy power during the lower cost low use periods- and then feed it back to themselves during the peak use "higher cost" periods.....

interesting story.. but only part of the story... why don't they take the same vehicles and sell them in the US? ,.. actually some are, they are called electric LSV's and one make is sold by Chrysler..

but mostly because EU cars do not comply with our stringent safety standards and can not go far enough or fast enough to satisfy US standards and needs.

we have several local companies that sells electric LSV's,.. sales are dismal... why.. at prices 8 grand it is only allowed on roads with speed limits less then 35 mph so your limited to in town only... great for the pizza guy.. in fact almost every one I know has a golf cart type that is allowed on the low speed limit streets .. and we have dozens of business and government departments that use them..including our local police, but they are not practical for a personnel car,..

http://www.gemcar.com/
Gem is one where I see several cars on a daily basis..
large_town.jpg


we also have Beach creek cruisers
http://www.harboroutfitters.com/category.php?id=22

the link below shows several different models available

http://venturebeat.com/2008/01/10/27-electric-cars-companies-ready-to-take-over-the-road/


but most can't hit freeway speeds and are designated LSV's.. or Nevs


with a little checking I found Montana even has dealers of LSV and NEV electric cars..

These were the type electric/hybrid he was showing- and said he drove himself..And said he used on the Autobahn...

http://www.worldclassexotics.com/Electric%20car%20conv.htm

from link said:
Conversion to your 911 starting at $84,000.
Not exactly affordable.. :roll: :roll: :wink:

http://www.hybridcars.com/electric-cars/6-cool-european-electric-cars-never-coming-us-25227.html

While he, Boone, the US car manufacturers, and everyone else in the forum agreed that these would not fit for everyones needs, that if they could get just 20% (mostly daily commuters and folks driving to the corner store) to drive an alternate fuel or hybrid vehicle that we would/could end our dependency on foreign oil and being held hostage to them...While they were split on how long that will take- 10-20 years- they all agreed that as usage increases, battery/fuels technology increases, metals technology allows lighter vehicle weights, the capabilities of the vehicles will increase and the costs of them will come down...

But in order to do that- the country's longterm energy plan- and the US automakers- need to put much more emphasis on that direction than they have in the past rather than the old policy of Drill, Drill, Drill...

They all also agreed that they thought it could be 50 or more years before the battery/hybrid/new fuels technology allowed replacement of the fuels made from the heavy oils (gas, diesel) for long haul and heavy load vehicles...
:roll: :roll: :wink:

okey.. explain theses comments...

""The company aims to build",... Price is expected right around, ahem, $300,000."

" The company is considering direct sales via the Internet, and will begin production as early as 2009, according to some reports."

" The company hopes to build 10,000 a year at its factory "

" a demonstration model of four-wheel neighborhood all-electric urban pickup. Production details have not been confirmed."

" The company has plans to build up to 15,000 units per year."

" that could make it to the US—if an American car builder decides to use the Hi-Pa Drive."

not one of the units is in production.... not one.. yet, I listed several links of cars available "NOW" in the US

how can you get from " one of the major foreign auto makers was on a forum the other day talking about their electric cars that they are producing in Europe- to aims to, hopes to, plans to maybe someday to, build and all that other hope and promise crap..

right now we the US has many usable vehicles available now.. . like this little van..
smithev.JPG


yet you want to whine about what Europe might have someday for alot of stinking money and is only usable by a skinny waif for a few miles..

not one of the cars you had was in production other then a one off conversion of a used car you provided. (and it's based in Florida).. . while Chrysler.. an American car company has been producing electric cars for some time now... they just don't sell well..

so where are all theses great European cars and trucks?
 
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Anonymous

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The one he was driving wasn't being aimed to build-- he was driving it and even commented about the number on the road....Real sporty car....But like he said- most were being used in Europe for urban area commuting- to and from the job or the supermarket....

I wish I could remember his or the car company name- and couldn't really pick up on the accent as he had very good English...

an American car company has been producing electric cars for some time now... they just don't sell well..

Yet...According to the US automakers the $ 4/5 gas sold more than anything has.....

Thats the reason that many believe there has to be government intervention/incentives- both in technology and marketing-- either from tax breaks for hybrids- rebates or grants- Boones idea to make the whole government fleet go hybrid- raised tax costs on heavy fueled vehicles or heavy fuels ... Whatever...

Like retired Naval Secretary and Senator John Warner testified to Congress the other day- it needs government intervention because it is a "national security" issue anymore.....We can't wait til the next time the Oil Cartels (foreign and domestic) hold the country hostage- and bring it to a standstill crippling the economy....
As they said, historically, we've seen this happen several times now- and each time we get promises of an alternative fuel/energy policy- but then nothing is done....Its NOW time to make that move....
 

Steve

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Oldtimer said:
The one he was driving wasn't being aimed to build-- he was driving it and even commented about the number on the road....Real sporty car....But like he said- most were being used in Europe for urban area commuting- to and from the job or the supermarket....

I wish I could remember his or the car company name- and couldn't really pick up on the accent as he had very good English...

an American car company has been producing electric cars for some time now... they just don't sell well..

Yet...According to the US automakers the $ 4/5 gas sold more than anything has.....

Thats the reason that many believe there has to be government intervention/incentives- both in technology and marketing-- either from tax breaks for hybrids- rebates or grants- Boones idea to make the whole government fleet go hybrid- raised tax costs on heavy fueled vehicles or heavy fuels ... Whatever...

Like retired Naval Secretary and Senator John Warner testified to Congress the other day- it needs government intervention because it is a "national security" issue anymore.....We can't wait til the next time the Oil Cartels (foreign and domestic) hold the country hostage- and bring it to a standstill crippling the economy....
As they said, historically, we've seen this happen several times now- and each time we get promises of an alternative fuel/energy policy- but then nothing is done....Its NOW time to make that move....

lets start with the basics.. how many electric or hybrids do you own?

if none why?
 

mrj

Well-known member
I saw some pics in a story about electric cars, maybe the new Chryslers.

One appeared somewhat practical, but I sure won't be buying one anytime soon.

First, it was red, nearly my least favorite car color, but suppose other colors could be available, second, it is too low to be driven on gravel and even some of our area paved roads, but mostly because the price was $140,000.00.

Not a very practical car, but all too typical of a lot of the pie-in-the sky liberal plans and ideas for a 'green' future.

Right! 'Green' for those libs like Al Gore, investing in companies to achieve that 'green future' their politician pals will legislate for them.

I wonder if the paint manufacturers could come up with a color to represent 'Green as Fraud"????

mrj
 

Steve

Well-known member
the real reason said:
Boones' idea to make the whole government ,... raised tax costs..

if you look closely at any marketing plan you can see the truth...

"to raise taxes enough that we are forced to accept their agenda"...
 
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